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Gun control
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This cnut. That there are loads of innocent owners doesn't matter one bit, considering the amount of guilty owners they also seem to have. The percentage may be small but the consequences are huge.
It's so fecking weird how defensive some Americans are about guns.
It's so fecking weird how defensive some Americans are about guns.
They just had a segment on BBC News that interviewed some people leaving a gun show that was being held near the site of the killings. The doublethink on display is genuinely staggering. One guy, responding to a question of whether getting rid of guns is a worthwhile price to pay for saving the lives of children, said (paraphrasing) "life is fragile. A guy armed with a pencil could do this."
Interviewer shoulda turned it around on him with “well then what do you need a gun for if a pencil is that deadly?”
Exactly, buy a job lot of HBs and a decent sharpener and your home is a fortress.
Really good video that addresses several issues being discussed here -
Gov John Kasich talking a lot of sense on CNN. Pleading with his own party to act on gun regulation. He would have made a pretty decent POTUS.
Thanks for posting that
I have been very impressed with Kasich every time I see him speak.Alabama never disappoints.
Alabama is such an enlightened part of the country.
This is the gun crowd's answer to school shootings. Further securitization by way of school employees carrying.
So a school teacher with a ten rounds of 9mm is meant to take on a lunatic with body armor, a AR15 and limitless rounds of ammo.
Got to be the most stupid idea ever. Teachers don't go to school to be the first line responders.
Just an observation... but change the number of rounds of 9mm and that’s exactly what we expect of the school resource officer.
Yes but they are usually cops that wear bullet proof vests. Well they are in Florida.
Would you want to carry in school? There is a huge difference between carrying and facing down someone that wants to die with an AR15. I am proficient with my Beretta 92 9mm but I don't want targets that shoot back.
I used to wear a vest when i was out and about in Iraq and Afghanistan. The conventional wisdom is that they were good for impeding shrapnel from reaching your organs and stopping various small arms rounds. They were generally not supposed to be relied on for stopping 5.56 or 7.62 rounds. I was riding around in MRAPs during the period when Iranian EFPs were being widely used and of course the MRAP itself wasn't strong enough to stop those.
Never even seen a bulletproof vest apart from TV.
Are they heavy?
Are they heavy?
Never even seen a bulletproof vest apart from TV.
Are they heavy?
They are pretty heavy due to the kevlar plates inside. If you take the plates out, they are fairly light.
Never even seen a bulletproof vest apart from TV.
Are they heavy?
Not that heavy, just get's so fricking hot in them. The ones I used anyways while I worked as a police.
Edit: We used soft wests. There are very heavy ones used by the special police forces, soldiers in war etc.
It’s a very double edged sword type of question to ask yourself when you’re in my position...
Would I want to carry in school? No. I don’t want to be in a society where teachers have to be armed.
If they gave me the option to though, I’m not going to lie, I’d have a hell of a lot better chance than with the cinderblock wall (that any decent rifle round goes straight through), wooden door, glass window next to the door, and scissors that I’m currently “armed” with.
The thing about that is... I know if I were armed, I wouldn’t do some crazy shit and become the teacher than went postal. I don’t know that about other people around me.
Yep. Takes steel or ceramic plate to stop rifle rounds. And besides that, the round is still gonna cause major blunt force trauma even if it doesn’t penetrate.
Those are some brave kids. Kudos to them.
Can't believe this cnut was fundraising in Miami a couple of days after the shooting.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article200663374.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article200663374.html
Let's say you and your colleagues were all armed, and then there was a crazed shooter on the premises, and all the teachers lock and load.
When you look out of your classroom you see a colleague in the corridor, gun raised, potentially even shooting towards a threat - in that extremely high stress situation how do you determine that he's not a threat?
Arming more people will only result in more people getting dead.
Lunatics. I’ve said it before, but when will the American public get off their ass and protest this absurdity like they protested Trump and the #metoo campaign?
It is not as simple as arming people you need to train them as well. My neighbor is an airline pilot and he is licensed to carry in the cockpit of a plane. He has to go to a training class once a year where they learn unarmed and armed combat within the confines of a cockpit. He laos has to go to the range on regular basis and proof he has fired a certain number of rounds.
Teachers would have to undergo SWAT like training to be effective.
Teachers would have to undergo SWAT like training to be effective.
I know what you’re getting at, but...
When we go into lockdown, there’s nobody in the halls, and there’s no looking out into the hallway. All doors get locked and all windows get covered.
More replies to the march tweet
On March 24th, I shall go buy a gun to show my support. Guns have been around since the country was established. We live in a copy cat country where one troubled individual shoots up a school, so they all follow suit. The issue is mental health, not guns. [source]
These kids should go to Mexico were a civilian can't own a gun! And we all know what's going on down south. If these kids think that removing all guns is the answer? It's not! That's the biggest mistake we make thinking that way. #armedteachers is what we need! And NOW [source]
GREAT PLAN! "Florida sheriff institutes plan to arm college campus staff Feb. 17, 2018 - 4:08-Polk County, Florida sheriff explains on 'Fox & Friends' his effort to keep students safe after Parkland, Florida school shooting" THIS is constructive necessary change! Hear him out-pls [source]
He was reading from a cue I can guarantee 100% Debbie wassman Shultz was the one who Started this, making traumatized kids part of their ploy. I am sad for the kids and shame on dems, he used same line as that accuser of that sen in la [source]
People kill and cut up others daily Daily yet where are the picket signs for no more knives? NO MORE KNIVES, background checks needed on knives and vehicles MORE people die from this than citizens gun shooting. Police shootings another subject [source]
What gun control law would’ve prevented this shooting? Answer: None. You clowns can “demand” all you want, it ain’t happening. I’m going out to the range with my AR15. Later. [source]
This is not gun control. The weapons were bought legally. This is not the world of blade runner you can not stop someone from buying a weapon before the crime is committed. The person behind the trigger is the problem not the weapon. [source]
DEMAND that teachers be ARMED. Show that your safety is important. [source]
On your march.....swing through Chicago and see how all that gun control is working out. [source]
This kid apparently LIKES being a fish in a barrel! This is what happens when the importance of critical thinking is not stressed. Not good to be a fish in a barrel OR, a sheep in a baaaa-ing flock. [source]
Okay so....Hiking kills people, cars kill people, look how many cars have been ran into crowds of people to kill. Yet we don't blame the cars? We don't blame the hiking trails? Why are we blaming guns? If I want to collect guns I should have that right! #USA #Freedom [source]
It is sick that ABC is using these poor young people in morning to push their gun control agenda. ABC you need to have a good hard look at yourself [source]
Only liberals listen to kids with unformed brains to find wisdom. [source]
Good job using kids to push your agenda. #keepingmyguns try securing our schools. After 9/11 they made airports more secure and had no more issues, they didn’t push to ban box cutters. After people drove cars into crowds they made it more secure, they didn’t ban cars [source]
If you do not like the Polk Co Florida Sheriff's plan, I submit it is more about control to you than it is about protecting the children. At that point the discussion ends. HIS PLAN WILL WORK - FOR EVERYONE - but especially for the CHILDREN. [source]
Shame on the media for dragging these kids in front of the camera and using them to push your liberal agenda. You have hit a new low. Most of these kids are still in shock after what happened. There is no limit on how low the media will go to exploit a tragedy. [source]
It's time to talk about protecting schools. Fencing, guards, metal detectors. Control guns all you want. There are still millions currently owned that can't be "controlled". And millions of illegal guns that will continue being sold on the streets. [source]
This is the problem with youth today. I understand their fear, their frustration, but if they continue to blame things instead of focusing on REAL causes, their world will quickly become one where no one takes responsibility for anything & the answer is always "take things away" [source]
Little attention seeking snowflakes [source]
Good on your March also make it for abortion clinics how many children been killed since the shooting and drug overdoses how many people have died due to drug overdoses since the shooting I guess those don’t count! [source]
If the kids get their wish and get rid of guns, I guarantee they will live to regret it. [source]
How about a march on political correctness? You weaklings took God, morality and compassion out of schools. NOW you puss**s have to deal with what you and your parents produced! Guns have nothing to do with this. Mental illness does. Evil students. [source]
These kids should go to Mexico were a civilian can't own a gun! And we all know what's going on down south. If these kids think that removing all guns is the answer? It's not! That's the biggest mistake we make thinking that way. #armedteachers is what we need! And NOW [source]
GREAT PLAN! "Florida sheriff institutes plan to arm college campus staff Feb. 17, 2018 - 4:08-Polk County, Florida sheriff explains on 'Fox & Friends' his effort to keep students safe after Parkland, Florida school shooting" THIS is constructive necessary change! Hear him out-pls [source]
He was reading from a cue I can guarantee 100% Debbie wassman Shultz was the one who Started this, making traumatized kids part of their ploy. I am sad for the kids and shame on dems, he used same line as that accuser of that sen in la [source]
People kill and cut up others daily Daily yet where are the picket signs for no more knives? NO MORE KNIVES, background checks needed on knives and vehicles MORE people die from this than citizens gun shooting. Police shootings another subject [source]
What gun control law would’ve prevented this shooting? Answer: None. You clowns can “demand” all you want, it ain’t happening. I’m going out to the range with my AR15. Later. [source]
This is not gun control. The weapons were bought legally. This is not the world of blade runner you can not stop someone from buying a weapon before the crime is committed. The person behind the trigger is the problem not the weapon. [source]
DEMAND that teachers be ARMED. Show that your safety is important. [source]
On your march.....swing through Chicago and see how all that gun control is working out. [source]
This kid apparently LIKES being a fish in a barrel! This is what happens when the importance of critical thinking is not stressed. Not good to be a fish in a barrel OR, a sheep in a baaaa-ing flock. [source]
Okay so....Hiking kills people, cars kill people, look how many cars have been ran into crowds of people to kill. Yet we don't blame the cars? We don't blame the hiking trails? Why are we blaming guns? If I want to collect guns I should have that right! #USA #Freedom [source]
It is sick that ABC is using these poor young people in morning to push their gun control agenda. ABC you need to have a good hard look at yourself [source]
Only liberals listen to kids with unformed brains to find wisdom. [source]
Good job using kids to push your agenda. #keepingmyguns try securing our schools. After 9/11 they made airports more secure and had no more issues, they didn’t push to ban box cutters. After people drove cars into crowds they made it more secure, they didn’t ban cars [source]
If you do not like the Polk Co Florida Sheriff's plan, I submit it is more about control to you than it is about protecting the children. At that point the discussion ends. HIS PLAN WILL WORK - FOR EVERYONE - but especially for the CHILDREN. [source]
Shame on the media for dragging these kids in front of the camera and using them to push your liberal agenda. You have hit a new low. Most of these kids are still in shock after what happened. There is no limit on how low the media will go to exploit a tragedy. [source]
It's time to talk about protecting schools. Fencing, guards, metal detectors. Control guns all you want. There are still millions currently owned that can't be "controlled". And millions of illegal guns that will continue being sold on the streets. [source]
This is the problem with youth today. I understand their fear, their frustration, but if they continue to blame things instead of focusing on REAL causes, their world will quickly become one where no one takes responsibility for anything & the answer is always "take things away" [source]
Little attention seeking snowflakes [source]
Good on your March also make it for abortion clinics how many children been killed since the shooting and drug overdoses how many people have died due to drug overdoses since the shooting I guess those don’t count! [source]
If the kids get their wish and get rid of guns, I guarantee they will live to regret it. [source]
How about a march on political correctness? You weaklings took God, morality and compassion out of schools. NOW you puss**s have to deal with what you and your parents produced! Guns have nothing to do with this. Mental illness does. Evil students. [source]
Yes, which I believe something akin to that was included a year or two ago when SC proposed something similar to this.
In theory, perhaps, in that situation people don't always react as theorised.
Arming teachers is a stupendously bad idea.
I didn’t say it was a good one.
The Hollywood Bank Shootout proved just how ineffective handguns are against assault rifles. Despite dozens of cops on scene the bank robbers kept them at bay with AK47s and the cops were scrambling around gun shops trying to get long guns. Policy changed after that event and most cops carry a long gun/assault rifle in their trunks.
So what we really need is fully trained teachers carrying assault rifles.
So what we really need is fully trained teachers carrying assault rifles.
No I know you didn't, I was just commenting on the Alabama law proposal.
It really might be time to start thinking home school for my son. I don't want to but it's preferable to him going to school at a miniature military base.
Anyone suggesting teachers should have handguns should watch this. It changed the thinking for law enforcement all over the US.