I think we are a long way off those sort of measures. Simply banning bump stocks, high capacity mags and assault rifle sales would be a good start.
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I think we are a long way off those sort of measures. Simply banning bump stocks, high capacity mags and assault rifle sales would be a good start.
Wouldn’t mind that at all. I’m just thinking out loud about a way to grandfather current guns in but still take them off the street.
No, but I have and I am a US Citizen. Not sure how that makes any difference? I have gun fanatics in my direct family (largely a bunch of my cousins, somehow none of their parents). I know their feelings and the reasoning they try to use to make it appear rational. My honest answer to that is, I don't care anymore. I'm not willing to accept scores of dead children every year out of respect for these people, I will just speak my mind from now on ( I know it doesn't come across here, but i'm usually a fairly respectful guy, so I used to be very interested in listening to their point of view).
Yesterday morning I thought I was fairly indifferent to the newest mass shooting... but no, it's a personal tipping point for me. From now on anyone still helping to get guns into "Joe the plumbers" hands is morally responsible for this too. Sorry if I misunderstood you, but from reading this thread it appeared to me that you pointed at the 270 million guns every time anyone made a suggestion saying it would be futile because of them. Which is clearly not the case, you have to start somewhere...
You grand father them in but also have a buy back program. Even if the government paid full retail it would still be worth it. I would actually quite like to cash my guns in
Could do an option for both.You grand father them in but also have a buy back program. Even if the government paid full retail it would still be worth it. I would actually quite like to cash my guns in
Some folks wouldn’t be down for a turn in or buy back, but might be persuaded to keep them at a range.
At some point they would become illegal and most people are law abiding. Its possible to chnage peoples attitude and thinking over time. The entire process would probably take two or three decades.
Yeah.. I think adding the range option would be faster.
Agreed. I think most sensible people are in close agreement.......we just have to deal with the irrationals.
Then what was critical about DC v Heller? From wiki, it seems to be the same question...resolved 5-4, which meant there were at least 4 really learned legal scholars who thought it does not work like that.
That’s not what SCOTUS stated in that case.
The holding in that case was that the 2nd Amendment applies only to Congress and not to state legislatures.
No, there haven’t been 18 school shootings in 2018. That number is flat wrong.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...k-525pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.276c76ecedcd
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...k-525pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.276c76ecedcd
Build the ‘wall’ with them
Melt them GoT style or playing LEGO with the stuffs?
The money from tourists coming to see that probably would cover cost of the wall. Someone show this to the Donald!
America's Mass Shooting Problem EXPLAINED
People should be saying stop, just stop, whatever else is going on in society, just stop until the lawmakers do something, anything to resolve this. People
s kids getting shot and killed in their schools on a regular basis is one of those issues where the people in society say we're not moving, we're not going to do anything until the people that make the rules and the laws do something to try and rectify this. It's telling also, that the conspiracy theorists are already out there saying that this shooting wasn't real and the victims' parents are actors. This is so senseless and tragic, it's easier for some people to believe it's not real because if it is, it means something is very wrong with society.
s kids getting shot and killed in their schools on a regular basis is one of those issues where the people in society say we're not moving, we're not going to do anything until the people that make the rules and the laws do something to try and rectify this. It's telling also, that the conspiracy theorists are already out there saying that this shooting wasn't real and the victims' parents are actors. This is so senseless and tragic, it's easier for some people to believe it's not real because if it is, it means something is very wrong with society.
GoT style!
It's an interesting article, and yes the figure is quite misleading. However, just as these tragic school massacres are a specifically American problem, I can't think of another peacetime western country where incidents such as people shooting up empty schools, or climbing on to a closed school roof and firing off rounds, or accidentally discharging hand guns in a car in a school car park are dismissed as normal events. These things don't happen in the UK, for example. People would be very concerned if they did.
Ultimately it doesn't diminished the need to do something about this uniquely American epidemic/phenomenon.
After Columbine you would have thought so but...
The case really isn’t a 2nd Amendment case, but rather a 14th Amendment case.
SCOTUS at that time did not hold the view that the 14th Amendment applied to the Bill of Rights.
Chief Justice Wood states that state legislatures and local municipalities can pass far reaching gun control laws, with the only restriction being that they cannot completely disarm the population.
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I agree with both of you.
As they say... You can send a man to the moon but..
Would an all-out strike by teachers and students, backed by parents, actually bring about the necessary change?
If all the teachers and kids just said...No - if you can't provide a safe place for me to work / study then i'm staying at home! Maybe the hold of the NRA over the legislature could be broken. Just imagine the volume of parents having to stay at home to look after their kids and the impact it would have in the workplace.
I reckon about 5 days of that would bring the government to it's knees!
If all the teachers and kids just said...No - if you can't provide a safe place for me to work / study then i'm staying at home! Maybe the hold of the NRA over the legislature could be broken. Just imagine the volume of parents having to stay at home to look after their kids and the impact it would have in the workplace.
I reckon about 5 days of that would bring the government to it's knees!
It did happen in the UK and in Australia. We banned guns and it stopped. Yes we are islands so easier to regulate the importing of weapons, but I'm sure if the USA worked closely with Mexico and Canada instead of fighting and insulting them, then things could be worked out to severely limit guns coming over the border.
You would have to start by banning the sale of all guns. Then a gun amnesty would help get the vast majority of guns collected up. Law abiding citizens AND those who care enough in wanting mass shootings stopped will all hand their guns in or sell them back to the government. Then you just have to confront the crazies and die hards and of course the criminals with guns. However, it's not the criminals that I would be worried about really.
Finally you would then have to change the law regarding firearms and impose and enforce very long maximum sentences for ownership of illegal weapons.
It would work. It would take time for sure and It would definitely be met with resistance but it would work and attitudes would eventually change. The problem is the old saying, where there's a will there's a way. Unfortunately there is a way, it's just the will in many that simply isn't there. Many like their guns more than the people who die and that is very, very sad.
Maybe a clear definition of the three categories, home protection, hunting and sport. I've never fired a gun and have only handled one once so correct me if I'm wrong. I see it like this, handgun and shotgun for home protection with no more then two allowed to be registered to that person.
Professional bolt action rifles for hunting with strict restrictions on use and other shite that make it as humane as possible.
Weapons of war and Hollywood strictly for sport and only allowed at registered and regulated gun clubs. Private sales possible but extremely hard to do, let's say we have the same type of restrictions on storage as an abortion clinic has to operate in Kansas.
I admire the history of hunting game within the law but have never heard of anyone going out to hunt duck or buck with an AR/AK. If they have they should have their right to own a gun and hunting license suspended for at least 10 years.
Anyone that thinks an AR/AK style weapon is suitable for home protection is more worried about their little pricks then the lives of their family. One second of panic in the middle of the night in the event of an intruder would send fire through a few walls and just as easily kill someone in the next room.
I have a feeling a sizable portion of gun owners would be ok with that compromise, keeping previously purchased firearms at a club/range if they are by law deemed too dangerous for private storage. You are well within you're rights to own a professional race car, plane or helicopter but you can't just park that shit in you're driveway.
This could be implemented with new sales, but in states like mine, it would be nearly impossible for guns already owned as my state has no system of registration in place. The state has no idea how many guns there are in S.C.
You’d have quite a hurdle to clear with leaving out lever action hunting rifles there. In heavily wooded areas, lever action is typically the way to go when hunting deer, wild hog, or bear.
While I agree completely that an AR/AK is unsuited for home defense, I would note that the AR platform (if set up with an 20-22 inch floating barrel with powerful scope) has many valid hunting uses. The AR is excellent for long range varmint hunting on wide open plains. The AR platform is also well suited to shorter range hunting of deer and wild hog when chambered in a larger caliber round (.308, .458, etc.)
It’s a modular platform, so not every AR is the “looks like an Army M4 Carbine” version.
That said, any AR set up for “hunting” can be modified into the “M4 clone” set up in about 15 minutes if you already have the correct upper assembly, so I could understand if their legitimate hunting variations were included in a ban on AR platforms.
I think it would do well to bridge the gap for enough people that it could pass in the future.
No half arsed measures. Either go big, or get shot.
What's needed is a total gun ban (with only very specific guns allowed for hunting), a gun buy back law and a hike in ammunition prices.
So you have the will to change/eliminate the gun culture, or you continue kicking the can down the road and continue to bury masses of young people every year.
Politicians who are receiving funds of the NRA
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/nra-donations/?utm_term=.17885bb42918
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/nra-donations/?utm_term=.17885bb42918
To go from where we are now to a total ban is definitely not going to happen. Best concentrating on fixing some of the immediate issues that have a chance of some level of bipartisan support:
- Ban the sales of assault style weapons
- Ban bump stocks
- Ban magazines over 10 rounds for handguns, and 5 rounds for rifles.
- Add a mental health check to the background check
- Lift the age to buy a shotgun or rifle to 21
- Get some sophisticated software monitoring purchases to identify people like the Vegas shooter
Like I said half arsed isn't going to cut it. Someone needs to grow a pair and do what's right, not what's politically expedient.
As a comparison: from what I've read they had a gun culture in Oz in the pre Port Arthur days, and now they don't. It'd be interesting to me to hear the opinions of the people in Oz that can speak to that.
As a comparison: from what I've read they had a gun culture in Oz in the pre Port Arthur days, and now they don't. It'd be interesting to me to hear the opinions of the people in Oz that can speak to that.
Far to many obstacles in the way. The gun lobby and politicians that will resit, the supreme court challenges, States resisting. There is no comparable country or situation anywhere. Even getting the sensible stuff I listed passed is a challenge.
Is there any country in the world where guns are banned?
A total and utter ban no but there are countries with very strict gun laws and they do not allow regular citizens to own a gun. Japan has insanely strict gun laws.
Who would want a gun when you can have a Samurai sword?
Seriously though, education is what is needed and someone with the balls to stand up and say it's time the 2nd amendment was amended again. Or completely removed from the constitution. Ironically if someone did that they then would be seen as the tyrannical government that needs to be overthrown and the gun nuts would go on the rampage.
Nobody will ever MAGA all the time mass shootings happen and healthcare is the way it is and all the time you can buy assault rifles in a supermarket. It's insane.
Feck my life. And De Vos said the same too in a Tweet I posted in the Florida shooting thread.
What chance do the people have when morons like this are in charge?
It gets worse.
I posted a similar proposal in this page not so long ago, where you can own as many semi-automatics as you want, as long as they are kept in gun ranges. You can even offer NRA sweeteners such as more money in maintaining their own gun ranges and their own people can be in charge of giving out weapons to buying public. I'm sure gun enthusiasts can come up with a working solution for other forms of firearms and ammunitions
CNN political commentator just stated an assault weapon ban is not even something the GOP will consider.....We are doomed.
People who have watched The Last Samurai (just kidding Langy)