Gun control

In the words of our prophet, the great Jim Jefferies:

"There is only one reason of owning guns, it's not a good reason, but the only thing you have, and it is 'feck off, I like guns'".

Most of these Rambo wannabes, like that tool pictured above, probably haven't ever drawn blood from an animal that they consume for dinner, yet they think they'd save the day with their substituted penises when the day arrives.
 
In the words of our prophet, the great Jim Jefferies:

"There is only one reason of owning guns, it's not a good reason, but the only thing you have, and it is 'feck off, I like guns'".

Most of these Rambo wannabes, like that tool pictured above, probably haven't ever drawn blood from an animal that they consume for dinner, yet they think they'd save the day with their substituted penises when the day arrives.

One of my Favourite stand up bits.

He's said many a time that he knows when a bunch of Americans have been killed as his Twitter Feed blows up.

Timeline
- Mass Shooting
- Uproar ensues
- Someone posts his bit
- He gets mentioned in hundreds of thousands of tweets.

That's scary as all hell, all by itself.
 
One of my Favourite stand up bits.

He's said many a time that he knows when a bunch of Americans have been killed as his Twitter Feed blows up.

Timeline
- Mass Shooting
- Uproar ensues
- Someone posts his bit
- He gets mentioned in hundreds of thousands of tweets.

That's scary as all hell, all by itself.
In 'Freedumb' he said the day of the Paris shooting, he received hundreds of masturbatory letters to the tune of 'see, it happens over there too'.

They are sick.
 
And the next nominee for People who have gone from somewhat reasonable to insane in a matter of hours in a gun control or religion thread is ... Achilles McCool for his transition from I may need a gun in case of a home invasion, to such classics as, I might have to fight the government with my pistol and A gun is like a seat belt.
 
Where do you live Sparky? Is there any reason for celebrities or politicians to have an armed security guard where you’re from?
No there isn't because it isn't insanely easy for people who shouldn't have them to get guns. And please realise I don't mean this as an insult, but celebrities and politicians are targets for people, you and I are quite frankly not important enough for anyone to want to target.
 
In a lot of countries that is true. However the US is rather large an it has a lot of remote areas and several animals that can attack humans. There is no need for firearms for the majority of Americans but there are definitely areas where you can make an argument in favor.
A very small area but yes to a degree I can agree with that, but unless your living I the arse end of nowhere then my point stands.
 
In what world is just so easy to just up and move? I must live in a different world than you.

I'm well aware of what happens when people don't follow the basic rules of firearm safety... the consequences are the same as when people don't put poisonous things out of the reach of kids. In both instances, it isn't the inanimate object's fault.

As for the stuff about suicide, you act as if people only shoot themselves. If they want to die, they'll find a way.

That one is tougher for me. I've had a concealed carry permit for awhile, but even still, I wish they weren't allowed. Considering they are, I take the "better to have and not need than have not and do need" approach.

I don't know what you're getting at here.
This is simply not true.

Nine out of ten people who attempt suicide and survive will not go on to die by suicide at a later date - source: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/survival/

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that in 2001, 85 percent of suicide attempts involving guns resulted in death, significantly above other methods. - Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5307a1.htm and https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

A study looking at hospital admissions for suicides and suicide attempts in Illinois found that 96 percent of firearm cases resulted in death - Source: http://jech.bmj.com/content/57/2/120.full

There's this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...uns-johns-hopkins-united-states-a7898951.html

http://www.bradycampaign.org/sites/default/files/Brady-Guns-Suicide-Report-2016.pdf - also this.

Every piece of research points to the same conclusion:
- suicide by firearms have a much, much higher success rate than any other means
- most people who survive a suicide attempt do not attempt it again

Therefore easy access to guns significantly increases the number of successful suicides.
 
How does that fall flat? That just reinforces my argument
If the military wouldn't attack their own countrymen, then surely civilians don't need guns even against a tyrannical government? If the military does not stand with the government then any uprising will be fast and bloodless.

Please note that I do live in a country where an armed uprising did happen 60 years ago and it was brutally drowned in blood by tanks. Because it turns out those are stronger than handguns and rifles.
 
Wrong again. More US citizens do not own guns than those that do ( at most 30%) and i presume many of those are hunters or sports and target shooters.

The vast majority of US citizens want more gun regulation, up to 90% want increased background checks. 52% want a complete ban on assault rifles and only 27% support concealed carry so far less support open carry. So yeah you are in the minority. How can you consistently be so wrong? It must suck that facts keep getting in the way.

Fake news. Sad.
 
It’s not paranoia. Is it paranoia to put on your seatbelt while driving, thinking that you’d like to survive a crash, if it ever happens?
A seatbelt is very unlikely to accidentally kill you. Your kid won't be in grave danger if he accidentally finds your seatbelt and starts playing with it. It's very, very hard to commit suicide with a seatbelt. A seatbelt is not designed to cause harm to other living beings.

Also, seatbelts are part of cars. Cars which ARE dangerous machinery - though it's worth noting again that they are not designed to cause harm to living beings, they are designed to get you from point A to point B faster. They are indispensable in everyday life (well, in the US at least) so they are heavily regulated, you need to prove you are capable of handling one, they are registered, have to undergo periodic mechanical checks and must be insured. Yet, thankfully, nobody is claiming that these laws are infringing on their rights to drive a car. Yeah, yeah, I know, cars are not mentioned in the constitution. Thank feck for that, otherwise Americans would defend their rights to have 1 million road fatalities per year, probably.
 
I’ll discuss this with anyone, no matter how far you have you head shoved up your own....degree. Forget what type of education I have or the experiences that I have! You have a German historical degree...discussion over!

In regards to your enormously stupid argument, yes, it is. You are just an American with zero knowledge about what happened outside your borders. The notion that private gun ownership would have done anything to prevent Hitler is so ridicoulusly stupid and shows such an extreme level of ignorance I want to puke. How can a human being be so dumb.
 
If the military wouldn't attack their own countrymen, then surely civilians don't need guns even against a tyrannical government? If the military does not stand with the government then any uprising will be fast and bloodless.

Please note that I do live in a country where an armed uprising did happen 60 years ago and it was brutally drowned in blood by tanks. Because it turns out those are stronger than handguns and rifles.

He’s American. Even if you told him you were from Hungary he would probably be unable to find it on a map.

feck, people like that make me angry.
 
Private gun ownership, by itself, would not get rid of an oppressive dictatorship. But it at least gives the unwilling population some protection against an armed force.

Let me ask you another question. Let’s say the dictator has completely taken over. What’s the best (only?) way to fight back and start a revolution? Armed revolution or unarmed revolution?
if you have public support, obviously the latter. If you don’t have it, both are pretty much pointless. Maybe you would know if you would ever have read a book.
 
People who are likely to own guns (top) vs people who are likely to graduate college (bottom). I get that correlation does not equal causation but it's still an interesting stat.
Source - http://www.claritycampaigns.com/#models

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Did mctool actually say you are being paranoid if you wear a seatbelt but not if you feel the need to carry a gun around all the time? This is why we need an intelligence test before issuing gun permits.
 
People who are likely to own guns (top) vs people who are likely to graduate college (bottom). I get that correlation does not equal causation but it's still an interesting stat.
Source - http://www.claritycampaigns.com/#models

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Most of it is predictable. More northern and remote States have more guns per capita. Plus the States with stricter gun laws obviously have fewer guns. I do question where the information came from though. On the top Map it looks like Tampabay has low fun ownership. I find that VERY hard to believe considering Tampabay has more CWP per capita than anywhere else. Also I would be really interested where the data came from because in Florida its illegal to keep a list of gun ownership.

Actually looking closer the gun map is pretty misleading. The inland area in mid Florida looks like its the wild west and that area is very sparsely populated. Most people there will have land or be hunters.
 
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In regards to your enormously stupid argument, yes, it is. You are just an American with zero knowledge about what happened outside your borders. The notion that private gun ownership would have done anything to prevent Hitler is so ridicoulusly stupid and shows such an extreme level of ignorance I want to puke. How can a human being be so dumb.
Brilliant response. Attack my intelligence and say that I have zero knowledge. You know nothing about me. Keep standing behind your degree and make assumptions about others instead of arguing the point.
The Germans disarmed a segment of the population starting in 1931 then with the Gun Control Act of 1938, they seized weapons and disarmed, among others, the Jewish populace before rounding up the undesirables.
I didnt want this thread to be sidetracked by a WW2 discussion, so let’s go back to the original topic I wanted to discuss. Nobody has given my example any alternatives.
Please let me know how you would handle the situation if your love ones were threatened (death threats) while dealing with customers. Would you depend on local law enforcement to escort your loved one to and from her vehicle every day? Would you not want her to be able to defend herself?
 
The distinct lack of a communal spirit in the psyche of these people is unsettling. Looking after your own well being and those close to you is, of course, perfectly normal, but the extent to which they disregard the safety and wellbeing of strangers who have life and loved ones of their own being in contact with murder tools is just bonkers.
 
Brilliant response. Attack my intelligence and say that I have zero knowledge. You know nothing about me. Keep standing behind your degree and make assumptions about others instead of arguing the point.
The Germans disarmed a segment of the population starting in 1931 then with the Gun Control Act of 1938, they seized weapons and disarmed, among others, the Jewish populace before rounding up the undesirables.
I didnt want this thread to be sidetracked by a WW2 discussion, so let’s go back to the original topic I wanted to discuss. Nobody has given my example any alternatives.
Please let me know how you would handle the situation if your love ones were threatened (death threats) while dealing with customers. Would you depend on local law enforcement to escort your loved one to and from her vehicle every day? Would you not want her to be able to defend herself?

I‘m absolutely attacking your intelligence and I will continue to do so as long as you try to bring up 30‘s Germany. Because you have absolutely no knowledge about the topic. Tell me, what would private gun ownership (which actually existed anyway) have done to prevent the holocaust? Moronic.
 
Some examples of non-lethal ways to protect yourself. If you feel the need

1). Home alarm systems
2). Pepper Spray
3). Self-defense courses
4). Whenever necessary walk with someone else.
5). Own a dog. Heck several small business owners in my area bring their dogs to work. Even though the dogs are not mean they still provide a level of security. Obviously this is not for everyone but most people do not need protection at work.
6). any sort of hard club like object small enough to carry (flashlight works).
7). CCTV at your work place.
etc etc etc

All of these are far less likely to seriously injur yourself or a loved one.
 
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