Does it really beg that question? All murder victims have done something to make some one want to kill them?
I don't own a gun, nor feel the need to. I don't think most people need them for self defense. Just so you know.
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I don't own a gun, nor feel the need to. I don't think most people need them for self defense. Just so you know.
Yet another school shooting.... Just a normal day for kids in the USA....
Hardly. There are probably 150,000 schools in the US. It is definitely a problem but still a very rare occurrence statistically.
Dramatically exaggerating the likelihood of things makes gun control less likely.
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Ugh. I was being facetious.
feck me, this is real.
Probably funded by the NRA. You get a $100 voucher towards a gun of your choice for watching it.
12 years old girl in custody WTF.........That is the last time I am opening the door to girl
scouts.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/us/los-angeles-sal-castro-middle-school-shooting/index.html
scouts.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/us/los-angeles-sal-castro-middle-school-shooting/index.html
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I've read some dumb shit on here in my time but equating carrying a gun to wearing your seatbelt is probably the single dumbest thing the internet has ever seen.
I'm always trying to understand that kind of perspective and I can only rationalize it by thinking that if you truly were raised in such a way or something made you feel that gun ownership is the only thing to truly make you feel safe then the comparison doesn't seem that strange anymore. I would never get in a car and not put my seat belt on - not because I necessarily think I need it to save my life anytime soon (I'm an optimist) but I feel much safer knowing I have the protection if something were to happen. I assume many gun owners who have guns for self defense must believe it makes them safer. Where I agree with you tho is that a seat belt has clearly been shown to in almost all cases be an actual life saver and the situations where you might need one to protect you are far and away more likely to happen to you. Not to mention the odds of a seat belt being used against me or my loved ones or causing some other damage that either hurts, kills or maims resulting in either the ultimate price for me, the other person, or a conviction. That same logic doesn't seem to hold up in the case of gun ownership for self defense. Note I am not questioning someone owning a gun for hunting, as a hobby or whatever. I may not agree with that either, but that "need" seems a lot more rational.
Why would the NRA need to found something like that? Seems an intuitively sensical decision given what by reading this thread appears to be a rising number of school shootings.
What's next , hello kitty Kevlar vests?
Thankfully it's a parody site.
Third fecking school shooting in THIS month and yet we are still discussing gun control. fecking pathetic!
Yeah I know but i had to check first. Worst thing is though you type in Hello Kitty bu to Google and it automatically comes up with bullet proof vest so It's obvious people have searched for it. Fml
Holy smoke, this fecking thread! If I believed in any kind of God, i would ask him/her to protect those so scared of the world they stock up lethal weapons; and to protect the school children.
"Carry your child like you carry your rifle."
I've often heard/read/told that the sound of a shotgun pump action asks a certain question to which intruders do not stick around to answer.
That and the sight of a red dot laser.
I knew those laser pointers would come in handy again at some point.
2 Students Shot At Los Angeles Middle School In 12th School Shooting Of 2018:
https://www.theguardiansofdemocracy...eles-middle-school-12th-school-shooting-2018/
https://www.theguardiansofdemocracy...eles-middle-school-12th-school-shooting-2018/
That's terrible... Hope the boy makes it...
We were discussing a specific scenario of a guy breaking in, set the alarm/dogs off and doesn't leave, instead set to work on trying to kill you at all cost.
Did that poor woman have an alarm system? Chances are even if she had a gun, it'd be of no use if she was caught surprised. The meth head didn't kill her for the fun of it, obviously he believed that killing her prevents him from being caught.
I lived in a pretty tough neighborhood growing up, you have ex-cons and the sight of syringes in some corners in the morning wasn't rare. Most people didn't bother having a dog and/or alarm. No one was ever killed. A couple of broke-ins happened but were swiftly dealt with by neighbours. The joy of a gun-free society.
I’m not sure if she did or not, but I know that I do. My point of bringing her up is that she didn’t do anything to make the guy break in.
I also know that in that situation, I’m doing all I can to make sure my wife and I aren’t killed by someone trying not to get caught.
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so it of course must be the victims fault because criminals are always logical and sane.
Sorry yours was a dumb statement it really amounts to victim blaming.
Thing I don't understand is, for someone outside the US like me it really doesn't look like the current policy on gun ownership is working out very well. The US is in general an educated country with similar values of Europe. 12 School shootings in a month, VR training for potential shootings... Something has to change. Is there no middle-ground to be found so most citizens are satisfied?
It honestly breaks my heart thinking of those children, school should be the safest place outside of a childs home. It's a human right and the government should do anything in their power to make it so.
It honestly breaks my heart thinking of those children, school should be the safest place outside of a childs home. It's a human right and the government should do anything in their power to make it so.
There absolutely is. The problem with that is very political and the right sees giving up anything as a victory for the left and an attack on our inalienable rights. They, for the most part, won’t even listen to any suggestions. They just shoot them down right away and claim that once we give up something small, the gun control lobby has their foot in the door and it won’t be long before they take all our rights away.
If you want to understand the way gun nuts think, your starting point needs to be to learn the ancient art of ‘zero common sense’. The NRA gives classes on it I think.
YES, there absolutely is... but it isn't the citizens that must be satisfied, but rather Congress and special interests.
It's a democracy isn't it? Is this the view the majority of the american people have of their government? That's some dangerous grounds your treading if so...
I don’t have a high opinion of the average American voter’s political efficacy.
Money controls our government. Those with the money control the message. The average American buys into the message.
It is time to revisit gun laws and its time for change. If people need a firearm for household security they only really need a low capacity round pistol and/or a shotgun. The problem right now the two sides are so entrenched at completely opposite ends of the spectrum......no guns or ad many guns as I want.
Think most of the World runs like this sadly, it's not just the US. Hopefully our young will see through the lies.
I teach our young. As far as my little corner of South Carolina is concerned, they’ve taken the message hook, line, and sinker.
I had a similar civics teacher when I was young, told us to never let our guard down to what is right and wrong no matter what the people in power say, This was during the communist era of our country so now when I think back his teaching put him in great danger but he's a man I'll never forget. He formed me greatly to the man I am today. Visit his grave every year, even took my children there and told them about him.
It's at best a representative republic
Nope. I'd be too busy in that scenario going 'feck feck feck some crazy cnut is trying to kill me', but after the fact I sure as hell would wonder why the feck that guy was so intent in killing me. If all you get from that is victim blaming then I don't know what to say.so it of course must be the victims fault because criminals are always logical and sane.
Sorry yours was a dumb statement it really amounts to victim blaming.
Fact of the matter is normal people living normal lives don't have crazies breaking in their house trying to kill them at all cost. Criminals have self preservation instincts too, even Jack the Ripper. Of course you can draw the shittiest, shortest straw possible on that front, but just as we dont go out in a rubber suit everytime it's raining, packing heat just in case you get that worst of luck is a futile exercise and speak more about your state of mind than anything else.
...seriously?
Is it possible for a 12 y/o to legally carry a gun?
Not as far as I know. Definitely not in California.