Gun control

Achilles McCool said:
Says you. I say that there’s plenty need for it and that your either not paying attention or you’ve stuck your head in the sand and refuse to see the realities of the world
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Just give it a rest. There is absolutely no need for open carry in a civilised society. Don't try to patronise me either, I don't appreciate your condescending tone nor do i need to get in to an online dick swinging contest over who has more worldly experience or who has faced more danger. I reiterate the point one last time before I step back. There is absolutely no need whatsoever for someone to carry a gun in a supermarket in a civilised country. Unless that country is actually extremely dangerous and relatively lawless thus making it.... uncivilised. If there was a real need then everyone would be doing it. But they are not... Just the paranoid and the gun nuts that just love to show they are weapons. I mean show off their weapons.

Mike Schatner said:
There are no words. :(
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That last post has me convinced He's just on the wind up or he is a very frightened individual.

JustAFan said:
Living in the US I can tell you that in the vast majority of the country there is no need for it. And in the other parts there really also is no need for it.

Anyone who feels the need to carry a gun to go to the average grocery store in the US has completely lost touch with reality.
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Exactly!

Done.
 
JustAFan said:
Living in the US I can tell you that in the vast majority of the country there is no need for it. And in the other parts there really also is no need for it.

Anyone who feels the need to carry a gun to go to the average grocery store in the US has completely lost touch with reality.
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Or you have lost touch with reality. Is there any need for a celebrity to have an armed security guard? Yes. So I would also say there’s a need for others, if they feel compelled, to also protect themselves. That’s it. Really is just that simple. Good night.
 
Achilles McCool said:
Or you have lost touch with reality. Is there any need for a celebrity to have an armed security guard? Yes. So I would also say there’s a need for others, if they feel compelled, to also protect themselves. That’s it. Really is just that simple. Good night.
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Celebrities literally have stalkers and other weirdos following them around, just because they are famous. I don't think you can apply that sort of argument to a common citizen.
 
langster said:
Just give it a rest. There is absolutely no need for open carry in a civilised society. Don't try to patronise me either, I don't appreciate your condescending tone nor do i need to get in to an online dick swinging contest over who has more worldly experience or who has faced more danger. I reiterate the point one last time before I step back.
That last post has me convinced He's just on the wind up or he is a very frightened individual.
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I’ve shown multiple reasons why there is justification to carry, and I won’t give it a rest.
Dick swinging competition? You’ve got issues.
I’m not a WUM and I’m not a frightened individual. I’d just like to be prepared. I’ve read through this whole thread and you continually sound like the frightened one! How you ever fired a gun before?
 
Achilles McCool said:
Not just me. Do you really think the whole military would follow orders and obliterate their own population? Look at previous examples. I am not looking to defend my sovereignty on a rooftop with a pistol in my hand. My original argument was so far away from where we are at this juncture, that the topic has disintegrated
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They have drones and tanks.
Achilles McCool said:
Says you. I say that there’s plenty need for it and that your either not paying attention or you’ve stuck your head in the sand and refuse to see the realities of the world
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You really come off like a tool.
 
Achilles McCool said:
Or you have lost touch with reality. Is there any need for a celebrity to have an armed security guard? Yes. So I would also say there’s a need for others, if they feel compelled, to also protect themselves. That’s it. Really is just that simple. Good night.
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Many celebs don't have armed guards they may have security but not armed. In the vast majority of the US the security provided by the local police force is more than enough for most citizens.

Then when you add in the likelihood that a gun owner or his family has a far greater chance of harming themselves with their own guns then falling victim to some criminal element, you really have to question what is driving their fear.

Like the woman at the grocery store who got shot by one of her youngsters who reached into her purse and fired the gun she carried for "protection."
 
Raoul said:
Celebrities literally have stalkers and other weirdos following them around, just because they are famous. I don't think you can apply that sort of argument to a common citizen.
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You don’t think the average citizen has stalkers? Or worse?
I brought up a few pages back that my ex is a Pharmacist and that she’s been threatened by numerous customers (mostly because she won’t take forged prescriptions), so do you think that she has the right to defend herself? Is she just acting frightened? Should she just stay in the store and have an officer escort her to her car every night?
 
Achilles McCool said:
You don’t think the average citizen has stalkers? Or worse?
I brought up a few pages back that my ex is a Pharmacist and that she’s been threatened by numerous customers (mostly because she won’t take forged prescriptions), so do you think that she has the right to defend herself? Is she just acting frightened? Should she just stay in the store and have an officer escort her to her car every night?
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I'm sure it happens in certain one off situations, just as it happens in other countries. I don't see that as a valid argument for everyone to walk around with open carry. Ultimately, we want to live in a society where people don't walk around with weapons because they are paranoid something might happen - and of course when you flood a country with 300m weapons, bad things do happen more than in societies with rational gun laws.
 
Achilles McCool said:
I’ve shown multiple reasons why there is justification to carry, and I won’t give it a rest.
Dick swinging competition? You’ve got issues.
I’m not a WUM and I’m not a frightened individual. I’d just like to be prepared. I’ve read through this whole thread and you continually sound like the frightened one! How you ever fired a gun before?
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Ironic from a guy who thinks everyone needs to walk around carrying a gun.
 
Raoul said:
I'm sure it happens in certain one off situations, just as it happens in other countries. I don't see that as a valid argument for everyone to walk around with open carry. Ultimately, we want to live in a society where people don't walk around with weapons because they are paranoid something might happen - and of course when you flood a country with 300m weapons, bad things do happen more than in societies with rational gun laws.
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One off situation? Seriously? Also, I would love to have a world that you describe, but until that time...
 
Achilles McCool said:
One off situation? Seriously? Also, I would love to have a world that you describe, but until that time...
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I don't get the paranoia. I've spent 7 years in combat zones where people are literally shooting at each other all day. Living in a normal society should never have that level of securitization where you feel you have to be armed to walk to the super market.
 
Raoul said:
I don't get the paranoia. I've spent 7 years in combat zones where people are literally shooting at each other all day. Living in a normal society should never have that level of securitization where you feel you have to be armed to walk to the super market.
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It’s not paranoia. Is it paranoia to put on your seatbelt while driving, thinking that you’d like to survive a crash, if it ever happens?
 
Raoul said:
I don't get the paranoia. I've spent 7 years in combat zones where people are literally shooting at each other all day. Living in a normal society should never have that level of securitization where you feel you have to be armed to walk to the super market.
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People like him think they are in a movie and everyone is out to get them. But they and their substitute penis will save the day should anything go wrong, they leave the house every day hoping they get a chance to be Charles Bronson in Death Wish. But the more likely scenario is that they or a family member will be the one that takes a bullet from their firearm.

When it comes the protecting themselves from their own government the irony is that they will most likely vote for the party that will do the most to infringe on a citizens rights. And it ain't the Dems. So all the while they fear the Government, they keep supporting the party doing the things they are most afraid off. But as long as they keep their guns all us well.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
You come across as a guy that thinks he's a mixture of John Wayne and Rambo.
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Get off your horse and don't push me! lol:


How do I sound frightened when I am the one saying you don't need a gun? The only thing that scares me around here is your attitude and knowing that sadly, you are not alone in your thinking. Although I take comfort knowing you are in the minority.


Yes I've fired shotguns, rifles and handguns. I used to own a rifle for hunting until I actually realised i didn't enjoy it at all, and although I love target shooting I sold my .22 rifle when I had kids as I didn't want it in the house with them. But that is completely irrelevant to be honest and again more poor reasoning from you. I've never fired a nuke, have you? I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to say I don't like nuclear missiles without having fired one. Just the same as people who have never held a gun can say they don't like them. It matters not. It's a killing machine that has one purpose and will kill indiscriminately. People have every right to have an opinion on that.
 
langster said:
Get off your horse and don't push me! lol:


How do I sound frightened when I am the one saying you don't need a gun? The only thing that scares me around here is your attitude and knowing that sadly, you are not alone in your thinking. Although I take comfort knowing you are in the minority and


Yes I've fired shotguns, rifles and handguns. I used to own a rifle for hunting until I actually realised i didn't enjoy it at all, and although I love target shooting I sold my .22 rifle when I had kids as I didn't want it in the house with them. But that is completely irrelevant to be honest and again more poor reasoning from you. I've never fired a nuke, have you? I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to say I don't like nuclear missiles without having fired one. Just the same as people who have never held a gun can say they don't like them. It matters not. It's a killing machine that has one purpose and will kill indiscriminately. People have every right to have an opinion on that.
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Minority? You sure about that? Maybe on Redcafe, but you might be surprised if you’d leave your echo chamber every once in a while.
 
Achilles McCool said:
It’s not paranoia. Is it paranoia to put on your seatbelt while driving, thinking that you’d like to survive a crash, if it ever happens?
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No It's not. We have been over this. 1. It is the law. 2. It is just common fecking sense. The roads could be damaged, icy, wet, tyres burst, someone else crashes in to you. Stop using that stupid reasoning. It really doesn't help as your posts are just making you look incredibly dim. Wearing a seatbelt cannot be used to justify carrying a gun. It's just not a logical or reasonable argument to have. However after pages of your replies it is clear you just don't get reason or logic and all you have done is repeat yourself and your poor reasoning and justification and completely ignore rational and informed retorts by people who live in the same country even stare and people with vastly superior expertise in combat situations.
 
langster said:
How when I am the one saying you don't need a gun?


Yes I've fired shotguns, rifles and handguns. I used to own a rifle for hunting until I actually realised i didn't enjoy it at all, and although I love target shooting I sold my .22 rifle when I had kids as I didn't want it in the house with them. But that is completely irrelevant to be honest and again more poor reasoning from you. I've never fired a nuke, have you? I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to say I don't like nuclear missiles without having fired one. Just the same as people who have never held a gun can say they don't like them. It matters not. It's a killing machine that has one purpose and will kill indiscriminately. People have every right to have an opinion on that.
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Too logical get off the Internet.

I've never used my car to run people over on purpose (or accidentally), I can safely say I am against such things.
 
Achilles McCool said:
Minority? You sure about that? Maybe on Redcafe, but you might be surprised if you’d leave your echo chamber every once in a while.
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You are a minority in the US as well. Only 30% of US households have a gun and the majority of them do not have CWP or extreme views on gun ownership. I know lots of gun owners that would have no problems giving them up.
 
langster said:
No It's not. We have been over this. 1. It is the law. 2. It is just common fecking sense. The roads could be damaged, icy, wet, tyres burst, someone else crashes in to you. Stop using that stupid reasoning. It really doesn't help as your posts are just making you look incredibly dim. Wearing a seatbelt cannot be used to justify carrying a gun. It's just not a logical or reasonable argument to have. However after pages of your replies it is clear you just don't get reason or logic and all you have done is repeat yourself and your poor reasoning and justification and completely ignore rational and informed retorts by people who live in the same country even stare and people with vastly superior expertise in combat situations.
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You know nothing about me, but you assume a lot!
 
Mike Schatner said:
You are a minority in the US as well. Only 30% of US households have a gun and the majority of them do not have CWP or extreme views on gun ownership. I know lots of gun owners that would have no problems giving them up.
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Yep. Most gun owners I know are either hunters or occasional weekend target practice shooters who also keep a weapon at home in case of an invasion. I don't know anyone who walks around armed to the super market or on McDonalds trips.
 
Achilles McCool said:
Minority? You sure about that? Maybe on Redcafe, but you might be surprised if you’d leave your echo chamber every once in a while.
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Wrong again. More US citizens do not own guns than those that do ( at most 30%) and i presume many of those are hunters or sports and target shooters.

The vast majority of US citizens want more gun regulation, up to 90% want increased background checks. 52% want a complete ban on assault rifles and only 27% support concealed carry so far less support open carry. So yeah you are in the minority. How can you consistently be so wrong? It must suck that facts keep getting in the way.
 
langster said:
Wrong again. More US citizens do not own guns than those that do ( at most 30%) and i presume many of those are hunters or sports and target shooters.

The vast majority of US citizens want more gun regulation, up to 90% want increased background checks. 52% want a complete ban on assault rifles and only 27% support concealed carry so far less support open carry. So yeah you are in the minority. How can you consistently be so wrong? It must suck that facts keep getting in the way.
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And we wonder why he is so afraid.
 
Needed a gun at Target. :nervous::lol:

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