I'm not against gun control, I just know that an outright ban will not happen in this country, therefore I still support the possession of guns in a home.
Gun control
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Easy answer would be move somewhere else. Bringing a gun into your home increases the chances of a death. Tampa is fairly high crime but there are plenty of places where you can leave your doors and windows unlocked.
They can but blowing your brains out is a quick painless act. Also a child taking poison by mistake is not necessarily lethal.... its hard to scrape a kids brains off the fridge and expect the ER stuff to make them better.
What are your views on conceal carry and open carry ?
Nope. I only used that as one of many examples/reasons for armed defense.
Feel free to discuss your utterly stupid sentiment with a German holding a degree in historical science. Not sure you should though. I give you a hint: Hitler actually got rid of various gun control laws.
I don't like it either to be honest, they used the " fear of being sold out" card, but I have to say this is one of the few inititives that our government had any success with. Usually everything goes tits up here.
I'm sorry but I try to stay away from the gun discussion as much as I can but like others before me I just want to say I find this excuse for gun ownership so laughable. I can understand your regular self defense arguments etc but do not agree with it. To think however some folks with their own little arsenal could have done anything to prevent the world s biggest oppressors from taking power is seriously out of touch with reality.
You are seriously saying that if the government turned on the people that you with your weapons would be able to defend yourself?
In what world is just so easy to just up and move? I must live in a different world than you.
I'm well aware of what happens when people don't follow the basic rules of firearm safety... the consequences are the same as when people don't put poisonous things out of the reach of kids. In both instances, it isn't the inanimate object's fault.
As for the stuff about suicide, you act as if people only shoot themselves. If they want to die, they'll find a way.
That one is tougher for me. I've had a concealed carry permit for awhile, but even still, I wish they weren't allowed. Considering they are, I take the "better to have and not need than have not and do need" approach.
I don't know what you're getting at here.
Ahhhh... I understand what you're saying.
If the US gov't pulled, say, an Australia and did a buyback and collected all the AR/AK style rifles and destroyed them, I'd follow the law and turn mine in without protest.
As it stands, yeah, I guess it would resemble a Mexican Standoff in that regard.
There’s theee things you can use to get rid of an oppressive dictatorship: overwhelming public support, foreign invasion or a combination of both. Private gun ownership isn’t one of them.
Some will but many won’t. A lot of suicide attempts are impulsive acts and suicide by firearm is the fastest, least painful and most fatal method.
Agreed. It would be nice, to say the least.
What used to be the fastest, least painful, and most fatal method? To me, humans would just revert to that.
Americans are generally mobile when it comes to jobs. At least 10% of my street moves every spring and most people move several times in their life time. Some even move several thousand miles and across oceans. If the safety and security of your family is a real concern one would find a way of moving IMO.
Probably, although that would still be better than suicide attempts by firearm which are almost always fatal.
There is absolutely no reason for the general population to have firearms. Absolutley none, not a single one.
In a lot of countries that is true. However the US is rather large an it has a lot of remote areas and several animals that can attack humans. There is no need for firearms for the majority of Americans but there are definitely areas where you can make an argument in favor.
I never said stopped. But all you have to do is look at Afghanistan, whether you agree with their politics or not, they’ve faced the night of the USSR and more recently, the US, and because the population is armed, they have been able to not get “conquered”. Forgive me if I’ve offended anyone with this example, but Afghanistan is dtill fighting, no?
I’ll discuss this with anyone, no matter how far you have you head shoved up your own....degree. Forget what type of education I have or the experiences that I have! You have a German historical degree...discussion over!
See my other post using Afghanistan as one example. The only thing laughable is your naivety towards armed defense
Not just me. Do you really think the whole military would follow orders and obliterate their own population? Look at previous examples. I am not looking to defend my sovereignty on a rooftop with a pistol in my hand. My original argument was so far away from where we are at this juncture, that the topic has disintegrated
You calling me naive
Like I said, I hope you never have to face that situation, but if you’re ever in a life or death situation, you’ll be begging for something stronger than your sense of humor and amazing ability to lay flat on the ground. I guess ignorance really is bliss!
No. It's not ignorance because you have said you haven't been in a situation like that either. So for all your bravado you don't know how you will react. AND the fact you haven't been in a situation like that yet are continuously prepared for it says more about you than me. Like I said, I would rather live life not worrying about things like that, let alone worrying to the point I felt I needed to be armed.
Your arguments about rising up against your government or others are hilarious though. You should do stand up, your sense of humour is far funnier than mine.
Ze Germans indeed
When the Russians come I have 2500 shells of bird shot for them.
Private gun ownership, by itself, would not get rid of an oppressive dictatorship. But it at least gives the unwilling population some protection against an armed force.
Let me ask you another question. Let’s say the dictator has completely taken over. What’s the best (only?) way to fight back and start a revolution? Armed revolution or unarmed revolution?
Where do you live Sparky? Is there any reason for celebrities or politicians to have an armed security guard where you’re from?
I said that I hope I’m never in that situation, but I’ve been in plenty of dangerous situations where my life could’ve been in danger. Just last week on the Interstate near where I live, I was driving home and was two vehicles away from a road rage incident that had one man attacking another with a steel bar.No. It's not ignorance because you have said you haven't been in a situation like that either. So for all your bravado you don't know how you will react. AND the fact you haven't been in a situation like that yet are continuously prepared for it says more about you than me. Like I said, I would rather live life not worrying about things like that, let alone worrying to the point I felt I needed to be armed.
Your arguments about rising up against your government or others are hilarious though. You should do stand up, your sense of humour is far funnier than mine.
Ze Germans indeed
I’ve witnessed guns being shown during street fights. I’ve never claimed bravado. But continue to laugh. I also never said that I’d rise up against my government. I said that an armed population can stand up against a government trying to suppress the people. That was just one of many reasons I gave for owning a gun.
To stay on point, my original argument was that if celebrities and politicians can have armed security, the the average citizens should also have that right.
Keep walking in circles, Mike; just don't answer my question about the grandmother in a home invasion.
Wrong. You said that you also have an AR and hand guns. If anyone comes, I'd suggest to hand them over before you do anything that you'd regret.
I did answer it.
Sorry, I must've missed it. Was it before or after this reply?
As have I been in many incredibly dangerous situations too. However an armed poplulation has no chance against drones and apache gunships and armoured tanks. Why you can't see this is beyond me.
Your original point was already debunked by several users pages ago. It's as ludicrous now as it was then. Not comparable at all. But continue to use false equivalence or implausible scenarios to argue and add justification to your point, It's working so well.
I think this discussion has run its course. If bump stocks and 100 round mags are still on sale there is no hope of change.
No chance? I beg to differ (see Afghanistan). But also, you're assuming that the military flying those drones, apache gunships and driving those armoured tanks will completely follow orders and fight against their own populace? You think every General will continue to follow orders? History tells me otherwise. An armed populace is only 1 of many aspects toward fighting tyranny.
My original point was never debunked. If you think its ludicrous, then tell me why you think Taylor Swift can have an armed security detail, but the ordinary citizens have to depend on Law Enforcement for protection? This country was built on the pillar of self defense. I will not try to change your opinion or your nation's laws, but don't try to change mine.
Change would be enforcing the laws that we have now, to begin with. If there's millions of illegal guns on the streets of the US right now, then how would new gun control work? Answer: it would only affect the legal, law-abiding citizen
@Mike Schatner you said that you're living in Tampa right now. How did you feel when that street serial killer was on the loose?
Honestly this is pointless. It's not the criminals shooting up schools or from Vegas hotels. Ffs how hard is that to understand?
You're not taking my semi-automatic away langster. Duck season is right around the corner.
Unaffected TBH. Firstly I do not live in that area and secondly simple precautions like don't be out by yourself would have been sufficient. Which goes to my home invasion advice....avoiding confrontation is always better than escalating it.