Doesn't hang about our Giggsy does he.
Guardian- 2 Deals Provisionally Agreed for Summer
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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We could if we didn't appoint them. It's possible to identify a candidate, come to an informal arrangement and announce it officially later and in the meantime take counsel from them on ongoing matters.
Indeed. Who is making the call to go through with these deals?
This is particularly interesting when you consider the fact that anyone we're likely to hire will have been used to working with a DoF. Could this managerless player hunt suggest we're not as far away from that kind of system as we thought? Not necessarily a DoF but a structure where the manager isn't quit as central to the recruitment process?
Oh right.
Yes, that convoluted situation that you describe is possibly what is happening.
It's not convoluted at all.
Moyes had meetings with the club long before we even knew Ferguson was retiring, let along announcements being made to the NYSE about it. We informally agree to make multi-million pound investments without telling the stock market. If Jamie Jackson of the Guardian is right we've been discussing with Southampton and agreed to pay them £30m for Shaw, the NYSE may not be officially informed for weeks.
The NYSE has to be informed when something has happened, officially. Not before.
I have a feeling that the club may see RVP as finishing soon and Rooney as a CAM, and perhaps Welbeck or Chicha leaving.
If all of that happens it would make sense, but I really hope it does not happen...
Our strikers are fine as they are and we don't need to create a problem when there are many others to sort out first.
It's not really convoluted is it?
We've kept things from the stock exchange before. Take Fergie's retirement last year for example, the club knew about it for some time before it got out, and they said they weren't planning on releasing the news that early.
Though, I don't think we've got a manager picked just yet. I imagine the club has identified that whatever happens we need a left-back and midfielders.
I'd be surprised if it was Garay. Didn't Moyes cut all links with that deal? So why would we suddenly resurrect it?
It's going to be for players we aren't expecting. Exciting!
It's going to be for players we aren't expecting. Exciting!
The new manager will need to have some say in who we bring in. Garay isn't a defender who would suit the style Van Gaal likes to play. I imagine he'd love someone like Vertonghen.
I'd imagine he would like Vertonghen too.
Anyone hoping we make a cheeky 50 million bid on David Alaba? In the youth ranks he always was a midfielder and also played there for the Austrian national team the couple of times I've seen them. Brilliant on the ball, good defensively, fast, imagine him next to Carrick or Carvalho or whoever with Rooney or Mata or Kagawa on top in a midfield three.
The thing is, we can offer him a starting line-up spot on the midfield at one of the biggest clubs in the world. Something he'll never get at Bayern the next couple of years, because he has Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Thiago, Javi Martinez, Lahm and possibly some others ahead of him for that position, and they have no left back near his level. And he might like the temptation of a midfield role.
Anyone hoping we make a cheeky 50 million bid on David Alaba? In the youth ranks he always was a midfielder and also played there for the Austrian national team the couple of times I've seen them. Brilliant on the ball, good defensively, fast, imagine him next to Carrick or Carvalho or whoever with Rooney or Mata or Kagawa on top in a midfield three.
The thing is, we can offer him a starting line-up spot on the midfield at one of the biggest clubs in the world. Something he'll never get at Bayern the next couple of years, because he has Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Thiago, Javi Martinez, Lahm and possibly some others ahead of him for that position, and they have no left back near his level. And he might like the temptation of a midfield role.
On that particular point i actually don't think we were in hindsight, if we had been id imagine we would have been making bids/signing players before July. As it turned out we didn't make our first bid for a player until the start of july.
I'm sure he's pretty settled as arguably the best left back around at the best club in the world. He's brilliant, but not a chance we could tempt him.
Well, Van Gaal let him have his debut at age 17 so he might convince... Nope, I agree with you, not a chance. He would be a brilliant CM for us though, my ultimate muppet fantasy at the moment.
£50 million. umm, nope?
If we could get Alaba I'd definitely go fo it, he's quality. Don't see him leaving Bayern though.
As for the deals we're currently pursuing, I'd imagine they're targets Moyes had already identified. At this point it makes sense to get them informally wrapped up regardless of who the new manager is. Then, once we've figured out who we want and appointed him, we ask him if he wants to finalise those deals or not. If he does then he gets a few quick signings, if he doesn't then the deals fall through with no harm done.
As for the deals we're currently pursuing, I'd imagine they're targets Moyes had already identified. At this point it makes sense to get them informally wrapped up regardless of who the new manager is. Then, once we've figured out who we want and appointed him, we ask him if he wants to finalise those deals or not. If he does then he gets a few quick signings, if he doesn't then the deals fall through with no harm done.
I don't like the part of Taylor's piece where he says that some of the rationale behind this supposed Cavani interest is that Woody wants a superstar signing. Not a good way to decide on targets.
I think/hope one of them is Shaw if true. And I really hope we are not in for Cavani.
Carvalho and Shaw, no? Seem to be most noises about them.
The only one we are being linked with in this thread I want is Shaw. I can't see any logic in buying Cavani and we need to avoid Fabregas like the plague.
I get the impression the Cavani thing is a smokescreen.
I doubt Moyes' encouragement would be the turning point if we do get them. It will be the mind-blowing wages which are being touted that would be the clincher.
Times have changed over this last season, I beleive club and player are open to the move now, there's our ideal box to box midfielder!
I hope we can get couple of pre-contract agreements done before world cup. Will make it easy to get things going for manager as soon as players assemble back after world cup. Ideally, before our friendlies against Madrid etc kick-off, it will be great if we have bought most of our targets and put up a good show in that tourney.
The Cavani speculation just won't go away! There's probably something in it after all.
I just think it's to divert attention from the real business we're doing.For god Zlatan?
Doubt it. We were consistently linked with Lewandowski as well last season and that didn't happen.
Cavani would be a pointless signing.
The Cavani speculation makes so little sense you almost think there must be something in it, because no one would make up a rumour so dumb.
Cavani is a nothing player. Might as well keep Welbeck and I am no fan of him.
If the two deals are Carvalho and Shaw then that would be aces. Already strengthening the top two positions we were in dire need of.
Now an extra center midfielder and possibly a center back and we'd be laughing our way into the top 4 next season.
Now an extra center midfielder and possibly a center back and we'd be laughing our way into the top 4 next season.
Need a shake up in attack too I think. Someone with pace and technical ability who can play wide.
This this this.
Everyone moans about Young and Valencia but then seem to overlook the obvious fact that we need a winger or two who aren't shit.
If we are interested in players, and a big money marquee signing in particular, I hope they are in the under 24 age group
We need to be thinking long term - with no European football next year I'd expect us to qualify for the Champions League with a decent manager, the current squad and a few young quality 'hungry' additions
We need to be thinking long term - with no European football next year I'd expect us to qualify for the Champions League with a decent manager, the current squad and a few young quality 'hungry' additions
Reus would be great
Should have moved in with the big big wages for Hazard
I doubt he's earning anything close to Rooney
The Cavani and Fabregas rumours are in every paper today, the club has been briefing the press on this.
we already own him, he is in Florence right now though
Yep. You only need to watch Real or Liverpool to see how deadly pace in attack. When we play Rooney, Kagawa, Mata and Januzaj at the same time we're way too slow. We need at least one lightning fast wide player who can score goals.
I'd love Fabregas. Carvalho/Fabregas/Mata would be great as a midfield three.
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