Guardian- 2 Deals Provisionally Agreed for Summer

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Devil may care said:
I think once bitten, twice shy. We should be looking elsewhere.
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I think when you combine his relative dip in form, the fans recent booing and the clubs desire to freshen up the squad I can definitely see this as a viable option. Over £30 mil and I can see both club and player being happy with the move, the board will also have their marquee player... I hope!:drool:
 
Considering we don't have champions league. I'd think he'd go back to Arsenal unless we offer crazy wages.
 
Cesc would be the perfect signing as a type of player we need in my opinion. Put him next to Carvalho or Fellaini and I think it would be the perfect fit. Would play the role better that Kroos to be honest, but wouldn't be fussy :lol:

De Gea
Rafael - Garay - ??? - Shaw
Carvalho - Fabregas
Januzaj - Mata - Reus
RVP/ Rooney​
That would be <3 for me. If only it would happen :( I put ??? next to Garay because if we really want to get back to a team like we was, I think we need better CBs. Not a huge fan of Smalling. Jones has regressed and Evans is good, but I'd still rather have a better pairing.
 
If two deals are agreed provisionally then I think it is Shaw and Carvalho. That would be two good signings but I do hope that we don't end up paying 30m for Shaw since we have so many other pressing needs.

Fabregas seems more realistic this summer and he might be our marquee signing.

Then we just need a pacy winger (di Maria...) and a CB (Mangala). What could possibly go wrong?

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Rafael-New CB-Jones/Smalling-Shaw
--------Carvalho--Fabregas------
--Mata------Rooney-----Pacy winger
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That would be a good team going forward but might be too weak defensively.
 
I can only I imagine that we'd sign a striker if both RvP AND Rooney were off. We don't need 4 'top-class' strikers any more. This isn't 15 years ago, football has changed (unfortunately), we can get by with 2/3 and a couple of players who could play up front if needed.
 
I wonder how people here have seen Carvalho play that are getting so excited for the prosperity of signing him.
 
Revan said:
I wonder how people here have seen Carvalho play that are getting so excited for the prosperity of signing him.
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I will be honest. Ain't see him play.
Do I want him? For me, if we are linked with him, to an extent he must be good enough in the eyes of the scouts/staff etc.
I have only really heard good things about him, so my opinion is based on that, along with being a young player also
 
Has everyone forgotten that barca have been hit with a big transfer ban and will be unable to sign played for 2 windows? Why would they let fabregas leave without replacing him.
 
Tosicsleftpeg said:
Bastards how do they manage it? So fecking corrupt makes me sick.
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Just suspended until a final decision on their appeal is made. Fairly standard, even in the non-footballing world. Nothing corrupt about it.
 
Bojan11 said:
Considering we don't have champions league. I'd think he'd go back to Arsenal unless we offer crazy wages.
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I think he'll be smarter than that. There's every chance that arsenal won't finish in the top 4 next season and thereby no champions league the following season.
 
Depends on the new manager to whether we pursue theses deals that its alleged are already in the pipeline. For example, he may look at the defense and say its fine, its the lack of quality in midfield to why they are being exposed.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
Depends on the new manager to whether we pursue theses deals that its alleged are already in the pipeline. For example, he may look at the defense and say its fine, its the lack of quality in midfield to why they are being exposed.
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I'd wager we'd probably conclude a couple of deals before a decision is made on management. The gaps in the squad are obvious and the manager can make other choices once the gaping holes in midfield and left back are plugged.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
I'd wager we'd probably conclude a couple of deals before a decision is made on management. The gaps in the squad are obvious and the manager can make other choices once the gaping holes in midfield and left back are plugged.
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According to Ogden the deals will be made but not finalised, that way the new manager can veto any of them if he wants. Probably the best way to do it.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football...hester-united-holland-manager-carlo-ancelotti

Taylor talks about our transfer targets as well:

United's information is that Van Gaal wants the job, although the downside of employing the Holland national team manager is that he will not be able to start until after the World Cup and that means Woodward is already pressing ahead with what promises to be an extensive summer of transfer business. High-level sources have confirmed he has held detailed discussions about Edinson Cavani's potential availability at Paris Saint-Germain, including at least one meeting in France, and it has also emerged that United's interest in resurrecting a deal for Cesc Fábregas is harder than initially thought. Fábregas has been identified as the player United want the most, having missed out on him last summer when Barcelona turned down bids of £25m and £30m.

United believe they are already in a strong position transfer-wise because of several months of work behind the scenes involving Woodward, Moyes and their network of agents and scouting staff. Cavani would cost up to £60m, breaking United's transfer record, and it might need about £40m if they are to stand any chance of succeeding where they failed with Fábregas last summer.

Again, the deal is highly complicated because of the politics of Barcelona selling one of their local players and Fábregas's apparent reluctance to rock the boat with the club that has been such an important part of his life. However, United's information is that it is negotiable and, as long as that is the case, they will press ahead to try to see whether Fábregas is as unsettled as they have been informed.

Cavani would suit Woodward's ambitions to bring in one of the sport's modern superstars but, equally, there is a recognition behind the scenes that the more urgent need is to strengthen the team's midfield and defence.

The club have reluctantly accepted that Porto's Eliaquim Mangala will end up at Manchester City but other players in that position have been identified to replace the departing Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand. A £30m deal for Luke Shaw is likely to mean Patrice Evra leaving but United consider the Frenchman such an influential member of the squad there is an option for him to sign a year-long contract extension. "He is almost as important in the dressing room as Ryan Giggs," one source said.

United have been working on their recruitment programme since the turn of the year and there is more of an understanding this time that it is important to have contingency plans in place in case deals fall through. Behind the scenes, for example, it has been pointed out that Sir Alex Ferguson thought he had transfers arranged for Karim Benzema, Alexis Sánchez and Lucas Moura in recent years. The problem has sometimes been that there has not been a second or even third choice identified. That will not be the case this summer.

There have been enquiries about Nani, Shinji Kagawa and Javier Hernández and United have to decide who they let go. The recent publicity surrounding Danny Welbeck's apparent unhappiness is not being regarded with great alarm and, potentially, is part of a strategy on the striker's part to be given a new contract, two years from the end of his current deal.
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Cavani again, eh? Has to be bollocks. Woody is pestering PSG about a striker before a new manager has been appointed? If it's true, I'm worried. Given our current squad, what the feck do we want Cavani for? Are both RVP and Rooney leaving?
 
I'll be seriously annoyed if we sign Cavani. Signing RVP was bad enough but signing Cavani after just handing Rooney a new deal and with Welbeck beginning to get fed up with his role would be ridiculous.
 
akash02 said:
I'll be seriously annoyed if we sign Cavani. Signing RVP was bad enough but signing Cavani after just handing Rooney a new deal and with Welbeck beginning to get fed up with his role would be ridiculous.
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:confused: His first season alone was worth it and without him it might have been struggle to win league last season. It was far from bad.
I agree though that 50m on Cavani will be stupidity. Not needed at all. We can get Shaw+Lallana in that money. Or Kroos.
 
The Man Himself said:
:confused: His first season alone was worth it and without him it might have been struggle to win league last season. It was far from bad.
I agree though that 50m on Cavani will be stupidity. Not needed at all. We can get Shaw+Lallana in that money. Or Kroos.
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Meh. I think it was a unnecessary signing. Welbeck had a good first season with us, Rooney scored 25+ goals, Hernandez was the perfect 3rd choice striker. We had signed Kagawa to give us another option if we wanted change our style. Then we went on to sign RVP and all of the above 4 did not have a particularly good season.

It worked out well enough in the end, I suppose but I think we'd have been better served by spending that money on a fecking CM. 60m on Cavani is just plain flat out lunacy.
 
I'd sign two midfielders, left back, winger and center back before signing a striker.

Don't be fecking stupid Woody.
 
akash02 said:
I'll be seriously annoyed if we sign Cavani. Signing RVP was bad enough but signing Cavani after just handing Rooney a new deal and with Welbeck beginning to get fed up with his role would be ridiculous.
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pocco said:
You get the impression that this Cavani idea is all Woodward. It's as if he just wants to blow big money on an attacker to put his name on the map.
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At this point one really does get the feeling this is now common knowledge within the footballing community what with the jettisoning of our 'behind closed doors' method under SAF and Gill. There's room for disrespect to creep in.
 
Do us fans not get a say in transfer dealings? This Cavani signing would be retarded. This is one reason why I wish United were fan owned like Barca and co. We'd actually get a say.
 
Rooney and rvp out cavani IN and keeping welbeck and chicarito.......YES YES YES YES
 
Unless we swapping Rooney, which I would welcome. This signing makes no sense. £60m too. But this reminds me of the Falcao stories last year.

Maybe we bumping the price up for Chelsea.
 
So Woodward is desperate for a superstar. Lets hope he signs one in an area of the squad where one is actually needed (eg NOT Cavani).
 
Señor said:
Do us fans not get a say in transfer dealings? This Cavani signing would be retarded. This is one reason why I wish United were fan owned like Barca and co. We'd actually get a say.
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What?

Even Barcelona fans don't get a say in signings. That'd be extremely stupid.
 
Fabregas is enough of a superstar. Imagine if we got him. Arsenal fans all around the world would just explode.
 
KM said:
What?

Even Barcelona fans don't get a say in signings. That'd be extremely stupid.
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I was made to think that Barcelona consulted their fans on potential signings but I may be wrong about that, so apologies if that's not the case.

But back on topic, how would that exactly be extremely stupid? Some people go about as if football fans have no brains or something and are thick and that people managing clubs or on the board are some sort of subspecies that are highly intelligent and must know more than us.

Obviously, I don't mean fans should get the final say but don't you reckon we should be at least consulted. Not all of us as that would be extremely hard to do, but a vote of some sort would be good. I'm sure if there was a vote for all ST holders on whether we should've signed Fellaini or not, the outcome would've been to not go ahead with it as £28m was too much for a player not many rated highly. Don't you think fans' views are important? It should at least be taken into consideration.
 
Señor said:
I was made to think that Barcelona consulted their fans on potential signings but I may be wrong about that, so apologies if that's not the case.

But back on topic, how would that exactly be extremely stupid? Some people go about as if football fans have no brains or something and are thick and that people managing clubs or on the board are some sort of subspecies that are highly intelligent and must know more than us.

Obviously, I don't mean fans should get the final say but don't you reckon we should be at least consulted. Not all of us as that would be extremely hard to do, but a vote of some sort would be good. I'm sure if there was a vote for all ST holders on whether we should've signed Fellaini or not, the outcome would've been to not go ahead with it as £28m was too much for a player not many rated highly. Don't you think fans' views are important? It should at least be taken into consideration.
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No it's still a bad idea. The fans should play no role in these sorts of club dealings. The scouts etc are more qualified than the fans and they should be the ones who should be doing all these sort of stuff.
 
KM said:
No it's still a bad idea. The fans should play no role in these sorts of club dealings. The scouts etc are more qualified than the fans and they should be the ones who should be doing all these sort of stuff.
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Well that's where we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think it's that bad of an idea and if I was a ST holder, I'd like my opinion valued on potential signings. As we saw from the Fellaini signing from the off, a huge number of fans were already against him. That hardly helps and adds unnecessary burden on the player. Once again, not saying our views should be final, but should certainly be taken into account.
 
Bojan11 said:
Unless we swapping Rooney, which I would welcome. This signing makes no sense. £60m too. But this reminds me of the Falcao stories last year.

Maybe we bumping the price up for Chelsea.
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You might be on to something there.

Then again, it may be to help with United other purchases. If other clubs think United are to pony up £60m for Canavi they might think much of the purse is spoken for--ebbing prices a bit.
 
Señor said:
Well that's where we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think it's that bad of an idea and if I was a ST holder, I'd like my opinion valued on potential signings. As we saw from the Fellaini signing from the off, a huge number of fans were already against him. That hardly helps and adds unnecessary burden on the player. Once again, not saying our views should be final, but should certainly be taken into account.
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How exactly would it work? Do we do all the contacting players and agreeing deals then when it's in place do we tell them to hold on while we conduct a poll of our fans? When the fans are against it just say sorry about that and move on to the next one? It's a bonkers idea.
 
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