Geovany Quenda | Ornstein: Chelsea agree 7-year deal with option of a further year. Will go to Chelsea in 2026.

That's just annoying. If he was our main target I don't know how we didn't do a deal, have the manager who bought him through and I am sure could have matched that fee
 
Telsim said:
Very disappointing news, but something we will have to get used to going forward. United don't really have the reach or the money anymore. It will be a quiet summer, although I'd have thought that would be a priority position. Diallo and Dalot isn't really a great lineup.
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I still don't think it will be a quiet summer. Ratcliff himself just said that we have a very thin squad and that we lack quality. He can't say that publicly and then not address it in the transfer window

As others have just said though, we're probably not going to be making big expensive buys. Heaven is (so far) a great example of what could be possible with very smart scouting
 
Brophs said:
From the player’s perspective, are you really going to bet your career progression on one of the most underperforming and volatile projects in football? The Amorim factor was overplayed. Quenda has to look after himself and there aren’t too many worlds in which his reps will be telling him that going to United is the best way to do that.
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Thought you were on about Chelsea here to begin with. I don't think their project is any less volatile the way they stockpile players where we've shown we'll give young players the chance right away if they're good enough (admittedly often through a lack of alternatives)
 
Ish said:
Especially the bits about "...buying into Maresca's project & vision..." a full season and a bit from now, Maresca might well not even be there! Alas, seems the player sees himself more as an attacker in the future, and not a WB.
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Agreed on the first bit, and possibly true for the second. I think the likelihood is our financial situation meant we aren't in a position to compete for him now and Chelsea were able to exploit that.
 
LARulz said:
That's just annoying. If he was our main target I don't know how we didn't do a deal, have the manager who bought him through and I am sure could have matched that fee
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Probably made the most out of our European financial situation and got a head start in negotiations.

Not sure what we'll do now. There's Frimpong but doesn't Amorim prefer two left footers at wingback? And I think there'll be a lot more competition for him, probably likes of Liverpool. But with our homegrown situation he'd be a good signing on multiple fronts.
 
Adnan said:
I believe Liverpool lead by using their brain and then the eye to implement a vision which is then followed by the scouts and supported by the data analytics team. And that all stems from the head coach whose vision is then carried out by the rest of the recruitment structure. The heads of recruitment at Liverpool are Barry Hunter and Dave Fallows and both being in charge of the recruitment structure speaks volumes for their authority when it comes to leading the recruitment at the club.

Data I believe is a valuable tool to back up the process without a doubt, but if you don't have a clue on how you want to implement your vision on the pitch and how the tactical aspects of playing in Klopp's high pressing system affects different positions on the pitch, then it will be very difficult to nail down the recruitment.

It was pretty clear to see that Klopp was targeting pace and power in the first phase with the same players having the responsibility to get the ball forward vertically which was a rule. So the CBs and deeper midfielders provided a high level of duel winning ability to dominate the game high up the pitch in bigger spaces without the ball to reinforce the high press, but they also had the ability to effectively progress the ball forward as a collective unit out of defensive and midfield.

The other poster before he unfortunately had a meltdown was either ignoring all this or was completely oblivious to it. The blueprint Klopp provided via his mind and his eyes from what he'd achieved in football helped the entire Liverpool football structure, work towards signing players for his style of football.

This is where the biggest gains are for us because where Liverpool have had Van Dijk and Konate, we've had Maguire and Lindelof. And eventhough Maguire is a good player, the game right now is asking for more, as far as what each player can provide both in-possession and out of possession in a higher line if the aim is to implement a more proactive attacking style of play. So once this is set in stone there's big gains to be made via the eye test and the marginal gains will follow via data analytics, video analytics etc.

It looks like Quenda is off to Chelsea and they do seem to be stock piling on some very talented players.
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Sorry mate, my post was of a joking nature, and yes, that mortal Kombat guy has had a right meltdown
 
Roger Fernandes, anyone? I’m sure I saw him linked as the cheaper option earlier this year.
 
Not going to lose any sleep over this.

Since INEOS have come in, they haven't really made a bad buy as such and I don't think that will change. Clearly the fee and or wage demands just didn't work, or they have identified someone else.

As for Chelsea - crazy how they operate, it really is. Although, signing deals like this makes me wonder whether they are expecting some sort of transfer ban in relation to PSR at some point.

Edit - I thought these 7 year deal things had been stopped?
 
LittleP14 said:
Not going to lose any sleep over this.

Since INEOS have come in, they haven't really made a bad buy as such and I don't think that will change. Clearly the fee and or wage demands just didn't work, or they have identified someone else.

As for Chelsea - crazy how they operate, it really is. Although, signing deals like this makes me wonder whether they are expecting some sort of transfer ban in relation to PSR at some point.

Edit - I thought these 7 year deal things had been stopped?
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Aye this sums up my thoughts. If a sudden U turn to go to Chelsea has happened, it’s only for one reason, and it’s something we’re actively trying not to engage in at the moment.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yep. It was a nonsense point raised by Rat that was there for fans to lap up.
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Yup, prepping fans for a net positive transfer spend while blaming it all on the previous set up.

Might as well do as much crap as he can now while still being able to lay the blame elsewhere...
 
LittleP14 said:
Not going to lose any sleep over this.

Since INEOS have come in, they haven't really made a bad buy as such and I don't think that will change. Clearly the fee and or wage demands just didn't work, or they have identified someone else.

As for Chelsea - crazy how they operate, it really is. Although, signing deals like this makes me wonder whether they are expecting some sort of transfer ban in relation to PSR at some point.

Edit - I thought these 7 year deal things had been stopped?
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Can give out any length of contract, see Haaland and City. They can only spread transfer fee over maximum of 5 years now though instead of length of contract.
 
If United were in for him then they would have been informed along the way by his agent.

Chelsea might not be the best club for him to develop but those 7-9 year deals are very hard to turn down.
 
Funny enough, I saw this story yesterday night on Twitter by a random account - but thought it was bullshit and didn’t take it seriously

 
You see why I’ve been responding that ‘Quenda doesn’t play for us’ when any and everyone has continually used his name when making arguments about Amorim’s system. People using a player not at the club to argue the manager’s vision.

Personally, I’m pleased he’s not coming. Maybe now we’ll go and get an actual RWB to play at RWB.
 
golden_blunder said:
I was thinking that too Dev. I think that’s what SJR was preparing us for when he mentioned those. Let’s see. But I suspect that there won’t be many signings of big value
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Tbf spending 40m-50m on a 17 yr old with just 2 goals and 5 assists this year is nuts given our financial situation. I think that next summer window will depend a lot on whether we win the Europa league or not If we are out of Europe then I can see us buy a lot of Ayden heaven type of signings
 
Muppetiers will look silly since his sauces told him that this player is in the bag
 
No way could we have matched Chelsea’s offer.

United couldn’t spend our entire (limited) transfer budget on a player who wouldn’t join us for another year. We need players now.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
All clubs have outstanding fees to pay for players already at the club - inc. Chelsea.
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It's so surprising that people don't know this. Shows how much media dictates what people think and how little critical thinking ability the average person has .

Every single club has payments to make for previously bought players. But because it's united and our fan base is hyper sensitive about anything related to debt, it's such an easy win for media outlets.

Football fans, by and large, are such an easy demographic to manipulate though. By and large they just aren't very bright. TalkSport literally run an entire business taking advantage of it, as do plenty of others.
 
I wonder if he prefers playing winger rather than wingback, and that's why he would prioritise Chelsea? If he's happy to stay at Sporting for a season and we were genuinely interested, you'd think he would have waited until next season to see how things were going.
 
Dosse said:
So, Kerkez? Dorgu is comfy on both sides. Unless we have another Dorgu in our sights.!
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Nah, Dorgu’s useful on the left side. Think wing backs should be on the side of their best foot. Amad and Quenda are exceptions with their level of balance and control.
 
On the one hand I've never wanted us to sign him so I'm glad. That's a ridiculous fee to pay for a 17 year old that won't join for 12 months!

On the other hand it feels like he was one of our and Amorims top targets. I think we are really going to struggle to get players in this summer due to our limited budget and lack of appeal.
 
devilish said:
Tbf spending 40m-50m on a 17 yr old with just 2 goals and 5 assists this year is nuts given our financial situation. I think that next summer window will depend a lot on whether we win the Europa league or not If we are out of Europe then I can see us buy a lot of Ayden heaven type of signings
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Exactly my thinking. Was a little flustered to see the readyness to splash such amounts on players that aren't proven at all. Obviously I am all for bringing in young players with potential. But for where we are, the worst thing we can do is spend amounts that should bring you players that are ready to contribute from the get go on young professionals who nobody has any idea on how they would fare. Fare in a different country, a big club, a more challenging league and so on. Thats not even shitting on 17 year olds or the Portugese league, this is just basic risk assessment.
 
To the Frimpong thread everyone, I think Frimpong and Amad give us both a left and right footed RWB. That is better for options.
 
AlexUTD said:
Oh feck off Chelsea..

Like you need more wingers :rolleyes:

I was super hyped about this guy for fecks sake.

Do not hope this means Dalot Stays.
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Of course he stays. I don't see any scenario, where we sell him to be honest. We'd rather try to somehow make use of him.

*thats not coming from somebody who likes that thought but I think, you'll get heavily disappointed when you think that might happen
 
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