How can anyone vote for this man? he is a power grabbing opportunistic donkey, sold most of his principles just to be PM. where is the vomiting emoji when you need it?
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How can anyone vote for this man? he is a power grabbing opportunistic donkey, sold most of his principles just to be PM. where is the vomiting emoji when you need it?
Stammer barks like a dog for whatever his war criminal master say. He copy his idol Blair all the time, he probably want to be a war criminal like him.
I really liked his interview with Neville he did the other day.
This is just utterly awful though!
We do have a constitution, we’re a *constitutional* monarchy, but it’s uncodified, and much of it is based on precedent and custom rather than clearly defined rules. Over the last eight years this ramshackle arrangement has been pushed beyond breaking point by an executive that thinks it should have unlimited power. That’s why we need clearer limits on what a government can do in future.
100% and at times we have seen the separation of powers doing their job, but then of course it gets seen as unfair/against the will of the people or whatever bollocks they come out with.
That's fair that it's just uncodified, and there are advantages to using precedent as it is kept updated unlike some countries reliant on rules from 100 odd years ago. Agree with everything you say as the last few years have shown how dangerous our system could be in the wrong hands.
Constituents do have every right to question their MPs, but shouting aggressively in their faces while filming is not going to elicit a favourable response.
I don't see this as the gotcha it's being painted out to be. It's classic politician ignoring, reframing and deflecting a question, which you see a million times over.
Sure it's uninspiring, annoying and makes him sound untrustworthy, but it's hardly unique.
That word is also censored at the moment as it was being used ludicrously often to avoid actual discussion in the ETH thread.
Assume by this response you have not bothered to listen to his full answer. This is a very cherry picked quote to illicit this exact response from people like you.
2010 was only 2 years after the 2008 crash.
There has been much more decline since then by almost every metric. We needed investment but got austerity. People are frustrated and significantly poorer. It would take someone worth ambitious policies at least 2 terms to have any positive impact.
Starmer with his unambitious policies having little impact on people's lives, and his deceptive nature will frustrate further and allows the far right in.
Wow, I read this after my almost identical post!
Decent analysis of how this election result could be the most skewed ever in a developed country because of FPTP.
https://www.ft.com/content/0afa2c8f-3e4f-4b2c-83be-cda81250dfc6
https://www.ft.com/content/0afa2c8f-3e4f-4b2c-83be-cda81250dfc6
You don't understand politics.
If Labour had any leader other than Jeremy Corby we would have got rid of the Tories at the 2017 election.
Paywall unfortunately
Yes I thought that too.
It’s so ridiculously defensive though. He doesn’t need to avoid that question by refusing to acknowledge it, he surely could have said “we will look into the details of the (particular barge) when we’re in power blah blah root and branch review blah blah blah” and chuck in the words “humane” and “respect” for good measure.
Whenever he’s asked “what are Labour going to do” he rambles for ages about how the Tory’s have broken everything. It’s why he looked a bit of a mug in that first debate with Sunak, he’ starts every answer with a huge amount of unnecessary context, trying to filibuster his way out of anything remotely difficult.
He is the Southgate of Labour leaders and it’s infuriating.
Politicians of course deflect but he's like it with every question.
Have read his numerous versions of his missions, have read his manifesto and listened to what he's said.
Apart from fantasy thinking as he did with Brexit, I still have absolutely no idea how he's going to grow the economy, what he's going to do about anything, from making non-existent doctors and nurses working weekends and evenings, to force about a million people to train as doctors, nurses, policemen, builders, electricians, plumbers, to introduce a national energy supplier that isn't, and the lists goes on and on. He doesn't seem to be able to answer one straight question.
Agree with all of this. But equally, in his eyes he probably doesnt need to do anything beyond this - since they are on track to wind a landslide.
Reform are surging in the polls (ugh...) taking even more votes away from the Tories. All Starmer has to do is try to avoid completely alienating anyone. It is massively frustrating to watch, and once he is in power the dynamic will need to change completely.
That said, my constituency is always between the Tories and Lib Dems, so I dont really have to care about "holding my nose and voting Labour" (would still vote for them 100% of times over the Tories). The fact that the Lib Dems manifesto is one I largely agree with is an added bonus and means my vote isnt purely tactical.
Nope. Ellie has actually bothered to turn up and talk to people on a regular basis. Lib Dems keep sending us South Shropshire leaflets through the door so they dont even know where I live. Labours candidate is terrible and made no effort while Bill Wiggins thinks he doesnt have to do anything to get re elected. What you're seeing in one party actually reaching out to the local population and engaging with people, it works. Greens also did well in some areas during the Local elections.
If it was tactical voting then we'd all be voting Lib Dems or Labour as they are the parties that got the 2nd most votes in the last two elections.
Agreed, all he has to do is say... "no, but we are not planning any further barges and will review this when we can".. next question.
Honestly would that be any more vacuous than the answer he gave? It feels like a slight step up but also similarly nothing much of significance
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"My heart goes out to those people. They've come to the UK seeking asylum and have been treated worse than criminals. I will prioritise their cases, get them off the barge as soon as possible, and shut down this barbaric process that demeans our standing within the international community. We used to lead the world in fairness and justice but the Tories, under 5 prime ministers, have tainted our image on the world stage. And I'm determined to right the many wrongs that consecutive tory governments have unleashed on this country."
Something like that would paint the Tories as the monsters they are.
Yeah I agree completely and like I said, he's very uninspiring. The extent of his inability to respond on the spot is surprising. You can evade and sound more authoritative.
Look on the website.
Do you live here?
Labours share of the vote in 2017 was 40%, Labours share of the vote currently on the Poll of Polls is 41%. Labour's support base hasn't changed it's just that the Tories has disappeared. I truly believe that the referendum pledge cost Labour in 2019. You can see that by it being red wall seat that turned against them.
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I dont care about politics, I care about humanity.
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Absofeckingloutely this is why some things are best left unsaid.
You can't benefit humanity without power.
If power through labour leaders is anything like Blair, then there is no hope for humanity.
I'm still yet to hear in this thread and from people in general why Tony Blair was bad for Britain.
He created growth artificially by deliberately inflating asset prices, and then relaxed the buy to let lending rules.
The result?
In 1996, you could be a 3 bed end of terrace hous ein Wolverhampton for £26,500, when the average wage in the city was circa 15K a year.
In 2010, that same house cost £110,000, and the average wage was £18K a year.
We'll be paying for that idiocy for the next 50 years.
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