General Election 2024

Who got your vote?

  • Labour

    Votes: 147 54.2%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 25 9.2%

  • Green

    Votes: 48 17.7%

  • Reform

    Votes: 11 4.1%

  • SNP

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Independent

    Votes: 8 3.0%

  • UK resident but not voting

    Votes: 18 6.6%

  • Spoiled my ballot

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Total voters
    271
  • Poll closed .
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Jericholyte2 said:
And where do you have evidence for that?

The Economic Policy Institute reports an increase in hourly productivity (not UK-specific unfortunately) of 65% between 1979 and 2022.

So people are producing more.

Companies are taking in massive profits as it is, and my first point is reaching the ‘critical mass’ where it’s causing illness and (somewhat) push-back.

So we then come back to ‘we can’t squeeze more out of the workers we have, we need more workers’
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My word, that has to be the most disingenous claim I have ever seem regarding UK productivity growth. Hey, let's expand the timeline to so far so that the past two decades of nullified negative growth due to inflation is hidden! UK productivity growth is skyrocketing....it increased 1000000% from 1066 to 2024!

Here is the UK data. There has been negative growth due to inflation.

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Regarding more workers, yeah rather than upskilling the existing population for higher productivity per capita, lets just bring in via mass immigration! This viewpoint is asinine.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
My word, that has to be the most disingenous claim I have ever seem regarding UK productivity growth. Hey, let's expand the timeline to so far so that the past two decades of nullified negative growth due to inflation is hidden!

Here is the UK data. There has been negative growth due to inflation.

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Regarding more workers, yeah rather than upskilling the existing population for higher productivity per capita, lets just bring in via mass immigration! This viewpoint is asinine.
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Whereas you’ll just go ahead and post an image to prove your point without posting the article with it, so let me go ahead and do your job for you.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-n...nt-has-led-to-productivity-slowdown-in-the-UK

Investment in UK since the ‘08 crash (rhymes with moresterity) in infrastructure and technology are causing the above.

So you can come at this with your lazy rhetoric of ‘let’s get more out of the work-shy layabouts’ without actually having to engage enough brain cells to think about why something like this might be the case.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Whereas you’ll just go ahead and post an image to prove your point without posting the article with it, so let me go ahead and do your job for you.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-n...nt-has-led-to-productivity-slowdown-in-the-UK

Investment in UK since the ‘08 crash (rhymes with moresterity) in infrastructure and technology are causing the above.

So you can come at this with your lazy rhetoric of ‘let’s get more out of the work-shy layabouts’ without actually having to engage enough brain cells to think about why something like this might be the case.
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Precisely the bloody point. Invest more in Infrastructure, invest more in technology, restructure the investment system so orgs don't offshore.

Invest more in education, there's a huge lack of skilled workers in the UK at the moment.

I'm going to ignore your last comment because it's just turned into you ranting.
 
Bobade said:
Fully agree, I guess I just am getting tired of these videos where some cocky journalist or youtuber goes to an (often deprived) area just to go 'omg look at these IDIOTS'. I'm not sure what it contributes, apart from to allow people like me to laugh at them and feel superior.
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I agree. I actually think it's counter productive as pushes some voters away (the "leftist bias media" claims).

Would be better off making a genuine left wing argument. Acknowledge their point - increased migration DOES put extra demand on public services. However, migration also boosts the economy, which means more taxes, which should be spent on public services to more than adequately deal with the increased demand.

Fortunately it shouldn't matter for this election but in general the left need to better at this. The right are much better at presenting a simple to understand message that appears as "common sense" to the less informed.
 
noodlehair said:
There must be something genuinely horrid in the pipeline towards the end of this year that the tories are desperate not to stick around for. That's the only way any of this is making sense to me.
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Everything comes back to Brexit. It was the moment the policy wonks and "centrists" walked away. From that moment on, the rigid ideologies, the crackpots took control and also elected the same crackpots in the 2019 intake. The "one nation" wing has been decimated for the ascension of Nadine Dorris'.
 
Carolina Red said:
Oh apologies folks, I saw the UK in the part of the post I was quoting + the centuries long tradition of “England” being used as a euphemism for the UK in general + the knowledge that Parliament’s decisions on major issues generally cover the whole of the UK and just totally cocked it up, didn’t I?
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No the election is for the whole of the UK and England hasn't declared independence yet. Also the town where that man was in has one of the lowest unemployment levels in the country and is a quiet place surrounded by countryside. But it's in the countryside where anti-immigration feeling is strongest.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
No the election is for the whole of the UK and England hasn't declared independence yet. Also the town where that man was in has one of the lowest unemployment levels in the country and is a quiet place surrounded by countryside. But it's in the countryside where anti-immigration feeling is strongest.
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Exactly, blanket stats on the countries density is irrelevant when you're talking about country/town NIMBYs. We have massive urban sprawl in places but that's rather concentrated and isn't the experience of most.

I've lived in northern multicultural cities, in London, and handful of more rural places in Essex. The only complaints I ever heard around population was from the Essex folk who never actually faced overcrowding. In fact they all had wonderful over funded services as well.

Truth is they just don't want the 'culture' of their safe white towns to change. They see multiculturalism in other places and they view it as hostile.
 
Smores said:
Exactly, blanket stats on the countries density is irrelevant when you're talking about country/town NIMBYs. We have massive urban sprawl in places but that's rather concentrated and isn't the experience of most.

I've lived in northern multicultural cities, in London, and handful of more rural places in Essex. The only complaints I ever heard around population was from the Essex folk who never actually faced overcrowding. In fact they all had wonderful over funded services as well.

Truth is they just don't want the 'culture' of their safe white towns to change. They see multiculturalism in other places and they view it as hostile.
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My time in the UK I lived mainly in London or the Home Counties. I also lived in Huntingdon which is just up the A14 from Kettering. I also lived a few years about fifteen miles from Boston, height of Brexitmania, also one of my grandsons was even born there. Seeing anybody was rare let alone immigrants.
 
Scottish Tory leader resigning after the campaign due to an expenses scandal.

Apparently used his Westminster expenses to pay for his travelling as a linesman
 
Drainy said:
Scottish Tory leader resigning after the campaign due to an expenses scandal.

Apparently used his Westminster expenses to pay for his travelling as a linesman
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I’m beginning to this these politicians might not be good people
 
Bert_ said:
They are just inept. If it wasn't for "Get Brexit Done", they'd have had an equally disastrous campaign in 2019. Apart from that one-off, the only thing they've campaigned on since Thatcher is that Labour might do even worse than them at managing the economy.
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It should be concerning that people are no longer voting for parties but are voting against them. 2010 was a vote against Brown and Blair, 2017 and 2019 were votes against Corbyn, 2024 will be a vote against the Tories. All we've ended up with is weak politicians on both sides who bend to the wishes of whatever fringe element of their party they want support from, and with Starmer it will almost certainly be the same for the next 5 year term. It's been a long time since people went out and voted because they liked somebody's vision for the country.
 
Drainy said:
Scottish Tory leader resigning after the campaign due to an expenses scandal.

Apparently used his Westminster expenses to pay for his travelling as a linesman
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I’d have thought linesmen and refs would get expenses paid by the SFA or whoever?
 
11101 said:
It should be concerning that people are no longer voting for parties but are voting against them. 2010 was a vote against Brown and Blair, 2017 and 2019 were votes against Corbyn, 2024 will be a vote against the Tories. All we've ended up with is weak politicians on both sides who bend to the wishes of whatever fringe element of their party they want support from, and with Starmer it will almost certainly be the same for the next 5 year term. It's been a long time since people went out and voted because they liked somebody's vision for the country.
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2017. Labour got 40% of the vote and most people seemed pretty enthused about it.

Worth noting, starmer is projected to get 43%, which would be the same vote share with poll variance being +/-3%, and get more than double the seats. Lib Dems are looking like they will get almost identical vote share from 2019, 8%, yet go from 8 seats to 30+.

'Democracy'.
 
11101 said:
It should be concerning that people are no longer voting for parties but are voting against them. 2010 was a vote against Brown and Blair, 2017 and 2019 were votes against Corbyn, 2024 will be a vote against the Tories. All we've ended up with is weak politicians on both sides who bend to the wishes of whatever fringe element of their party they want support from, and with Starmer it will almost certainly be the same for the next 5 year term. It's been a long time since people went out and voted because they liked somebody's vision for the country.
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Plenty of people voted in 2017 because they liked Corbyn's vision for the country, including myself. It was mostly young people and lefties though, so I guess it doesn't count.
 
Carolina Red said:
Oh apologies folks, I saw the UK in the part of the post I was quoting + the centuries long tradition of “England” being used as a euphemism for the UK in general + the knowledge that Parliament’s decisions on major issues generally cover the whole of the UK and just totally cocked it up, didn’t I?
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It’s still silly. It’s people in towns and villages stating that ‘we’re full’. They’re as densely populated as the Uk.

People in the densely populated parts (the cities) don’t state it as a problem.

The whole statement is dishonest.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
It’s still silly. It’s people in towns and villages stating that ‘we’re full’. They’re as densely populated as the Uk.

People in the densely populated parts (the cities) don’t state it as a problem.

The whole statement is dishonest.
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Find it mad people in here trying to defend the nonsense. Low key probably share the same opinion.
 
Dobba said:
One result is a historical fact on account of it already happening 7 years ago, the other is a projection for an election which is weeks away.
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Yeah I just deleted it, although it will probably be more useful to compare the two election results, than a result and a projection.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Find it mad people in here trying to defend the nonsense. Low key probably share the same opinion.
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I've seen people say oh we shouldn't laugh at these people because they are raising concerns but they are not, they are just repeating racist bile and blaming immigrants for everything then voting for a tin post fascist. Where are there concerns for all of the public services that have been slashed, the NHS and crime? Labour and the Tories are pandering to these flagshagger types worried about upsetting them. I'm sick of them and the damage they have done and continue to do.
 
Starmer is refusing to confirm or deny increases to capital gains tax. Strikes me as an obvious tax to change if everything else around income is remaining the same.

Also, interesting tweet from Will Hutton the other day, suggesting Reeves has £23 bn of headroom available if she makes a small tweak to how short term interest rates are controlled.

And there's probably a windfall tax on someone or other as well.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
No the election is for the whole of the UK and England hasn't declared independence yet. Also the town where that man was in has one of the lowest unemployment levels in the country and is a quiet place surrounded by countryside. But it's in the countryside where anti-immigration feeling is strongest.
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UnrelatedPsuedo said:
It’s still silly. It’s people in towns and villages stating that ‘we’re full’. They’re as densely populated as the Uk.

People in the densely populated parts (the cities) don’t state it as a problem.

The whole statement is dishonest.
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Makes sense. There were tons of places I visited in England that weren't nearly as crowded as the area of South Carolina that I'm from & we are very much not full. Cheers fellas
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
It’s still silly. It’s people in towns and villages stating that ‘we’re full’. They’re as densely populated as the Uk.

People in the densely populated parts (the cities) don’t state it as a problem.

The whole statement is dishonest.
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I think there's probably loads of folk in cities who think England's overpopulated. More importantly, though, the effect of population growth on small and medium sized towns is probably more easily and keenly felt than it is in places that have long been part of an urban sprawl. It's fairly intuitive that people who don't live in urban environments are more likely to be averse to urbanisation that those that do - especially when that urbanisation hasn't brought increased prosperity along with it.

Try to differentiate between the rantings of some dumb old Kettering racist from the reality that we live in a country who's services and infrastructure are increasingly incapable of fulfilling the demands of its increasing population.
 
Drainy said:
Any normal political party would be killed by this.

The Farage **** will survive though
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Reform supporters are just like MAGA idiots. They love a bit of the old racism. If a Reform candidate said that any black kids who stab people should be hanged, they'd gain in the polls.
 
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