General Election 2024

Who got your vote?

  • Labour

    Votes: 147 54.2%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 25 9.2%
  • Green

    Votes: 48 17.7%
  • Reform

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Independent

    Votes: 8 3.0%
  • UK resident but not voting

    Votes: 18 6.6%
  • Spoiled my ballot

    Votes: 3 1.1%

  • Total voters
    271
  • Poll closed .
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I'm not surprised at all, not whilst their is still a Tory government and the man who set up Brexit to fail, is now our Foreign Secretary.

(@Paul the Wolf has swapped opinions with me on this so he will have a different take.)

I am still of the opinion that Cameron, somewhat buoyed by his success in the UK 2015 election, and having seen off the SNP in the Scottish Independence referendum in 2014, thought he would go for the hat-trick and settle (once and for all) the pesky 'anti-EU contingent' in his own party in a 2016 Referendum.

Despite the complexities involved, Cameron wanted a swift (and as he perceived) decisive verdict... hence 'Remain or Leave' were set up as the only two choices, no percentage thresholds to be achieved either way, to ensure realistic result. Hence die was cast and so those who were happy with their lot would tend to vote Remain and those who were unhappy (about anything) would vote Leave, and so it came to pass.

As for a third referendum on this, I cannot imagine any sane UK politician going down this route in the foreseeable future, especially as the EU, up to now have rebuffed any straightforward approaches. However I do see some 'backdoor', maybe even clandestine type attempts to salvage something, especially before the increasingly right-wing leaning governments in a number of EU countries start to flex their muscles. These (if they take place) may transpire a reconciliation result but unless they are successful of course, we shall never know

Also in the future I think Cameron's gamble/expectations on the referendum that eventually delivered Brexit, will in historical terms, equate to the expectations of the appeasement policy and the 'peace in our time' letter Neville Chamberlain brought back from Hitler in the 1930's..... a complete 'c---k up'.

There was only a Remain or Leave outcome, all the rest was an invention of the politicians in the HoC and the British press.
You're in or you're out.

Starmer's still got his menu out but despite being the Shadow Brexit Secretary , never understood the EU or what Brexit or Leave means - think he reads the Express and the Sun too much.

With Brexit only just really starting to have a larger impact it will be apt if Farage was in the HoC to face the consequences and awkward questions.

With all three of the leading parties being pro-Brexit - one is amazed that they're not shouting from the rooftops how successful it is but instead are saying it's not been implemented properly. Ridiculous, they got exactly what they voted for and so much more to come.
 
I'm not surprised at all, not whilst their is still a Tory government and the man who set up Brexit to fail, is now our Foreign Secretary.

(@Paul the Wolf has swapped opinions with me on this so he will have a different take.)

I am still of the opinion that Cameron, somewhat buoyed by his success in the UK 2015 election, and having seen off the SNP in the Scottish Independence referendum in 2014, thought he would go for the hat-trick and settle (once and for all) the pesky 'anti-EU contingent' in his own party in a 2016 Referendum.

Despite the complexities involved, Cameron wanted a swift (and as he perceived) decisive verdict... hence 'Remain or Leave' were set up as the only two choices, no percentage thresholds to be achieved either way, to ensure realistic result. Hence die was cast and so those who were happy with their lot would tend to vote Remain and those who were unhappy (about anything) would vote Leave, and so it came to pass.

As for a third referendum on this, I cannot imagine any sane UK politician going down this route in the foreseeable future, especially as the EU, up to now have rebuffed any straightforward approaches. However I do see some 'backdoor', maybe even clandestine type attempts to salvage something, especially before the increasingly right-wing leaning governments in a number of EU countries start to flex their muscles. These (if they take place) may transpire a reconciliation result but unless they are successful of course, we shall never know

Also in the future I think Cameron's gamble/expectations on the referendum that eventually delivered Brexit, will in historical terms, equate to the expectations of the appeasement policy and the 'peace in our time' letter Neville Chamberlain brought back from Hitler in the 1930's..... a complete 'c---k up'.

Yes. I can appreciate all of that. Especially at this time.
I was thinking more about the general public and those I speak with. It was about 50/50 their decision in 2016.
Hardly anyone mentions it, although no one believes it was a good idea now.
And no one thinks it has been good for the country; certainly not me.

David Cameron has a huge amount to answer for. He was pressured into calling the referendum.
But he pretended that he could just waltz into Brussels and the rest of the EU would cave in to his demands, what ever they actually were... did anyone know?
Such a silly man.
And now he thinks he can do the same as Foreign Secretary. Don't think so...
 
New Frank Hester race claims pile pressure on Tories over £15m donations

Exclusive: Hester allegedly used term ‘token Muslim’, imitated people of Chinese descent and said a person was attractive for a black woman

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ms-pile-pressure-on-tories-over-15m-donations

The Conservative party is facing questions over its decision to keep more than £15m given by its biggest ever donor, Frank Hester, after former employees made a series of fresh allegations.
Hester is alleged to have referred to a staff member as the “token Muslim”, imitated people of Chinese descent and remarked that one individual was attractive for a black woman, according to former employees who spoke to the Guardian.

More than a dozen former staffers told the Guardian of claims that Hester repeatedly made comments about race or religion in the workplace or on a work trip, including in recent years.

The claims will pile pressure on Rishi Sunak after it was confirmed on Thursday that Hester had given a further £5m to the Tories through his healthcare tech company, the Phoenix Partnership (TPP). It brings the total donated by Hester to more than £15m in a year, equating to more than 40% of the total national spending limit for each party in the general election.
 
The Guardian: Keir Starmer expected to push for Palestinian state in Labour manifesto

Labour policy likely to irritate Israel, whose prime minister reacted angrily when Ireland, Spain and Norway officially recognised Palestine in May

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ected-push-palestinian-state-labour-manifesto

Genuinely don't know whether this is just a briefing, floating an idea, an attempt to shore up the base or a long planned move. Who knows.
 
The Guardian: Keir Starmer expected to push for Palestinian state in Labour manifesto

Labour policy likely to irritate Israel, whose prime minister reacted angrily when Ireland, Spain and Norway officially recognised Palestine in May

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ected-push-palestinian-state-labour-manifesto

Genuinely don't know whether this is just a briefing, floating an idea, an attempt to shore up the base or a long planned move. Who knows.

Massive difference between recognising Palestine and commitment to the two state solution.
 
The Guardian: Keir Starmer expected to push for Palestinian state in Labour manifesto

Labour policy likely to irritate Israel, whose prime minister reacted angrily when Ireland, Spain and Norway officially recognised Palestine in May

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ected-push-palestinian-state-labour-manifesto

Genuinely don't know whether this is just a briefing, floating an idea, an attempt to shore up the base or a long planned move. Who knows.

Recognizing Palestine has been Labour policy since Miliband, he put it in the 2015 manifesto, and it was in both 2017 and 2019 manifestos too. As ever, starmer is pretending to do something new by doing nothing.

If I was a betting man, the actual change is that it won't be in th emanifesto, and he'll claim that he listened tot he party.
 
Oh FFS, they are genuinely taking the piss now.



That guy has obviously never heard of the maxim:
If you are in a hole, stop digging.

And well done to Fiona Bruce and Shabana Mahmood for calling him out. And most importantly calling the PM a liar. Excellent.
 
Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, Argentina and Australia had all sold an enormous amount of gold at about the same time - Britain was not alone in this. The rather poor way the UK did it, rather than the act of the UK doing it, is why other countries (with large gold reserves) agreed to limit sales, ie put a floor under the price.

That change to taxation on dividends was first made by Norman Lamont, not Brown. Brown's tax raid cost the pension funds £5bn but what caused them all to close was a £36bn deficit in the fund values - 7x the value of Brown's raid - thanks to the Dotcom crash a couple of years later.

Whether or not the country can afford a typical Labour government should at least be based on the facts of what happened rather than folk memories, no?

Like I say Brown took many good policies and squeezed them until they blew. Lamont's dividend tax reduction to 20% (?) was OK in isolation and had no effect on the UK markets. Brown went and removed the entire tax credit on everything. The estimated cost to the economy has been £250 billion.

Anyway, as I said before none of this has anything to do with the election.
 
The Guardian: Keir Starmer expected to push for Palestinian state in Labour manifesto

Labour policy likely to irritate Israel, whose prime minister reacted angrily when Ireland, Spain and Norway officially recognised Palestine in May

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ected-push-palestinian-state-labour-manifesto

Genuinely don't know whether this is just a briefing, floating an idea, an attempt to shore up the base or a long planned move. Who knows.
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Attempting to shore up the base imo
 
The Guardian: Keir Starmer expected to push for Palestinian state in Labour manifesto

Labour policy likely to irritate Israel, whose prime minister reacted angrily when Ireland, Spain and Norway officially recognised Palestine in May

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ected-push-palestinian-state-labour-manifesto

Genuinely don't know whether this is just a briefing, floating an idea, an attempt to shore up the base or a long planned move. Who knows.
a Palestinian state will be at the bottom of his priority list.
 
For some reason, I've returned from holiday and stuck on the debate. My God it's fecking depressing. They are both so fecking wank. It's painful to watch.
 
Starmer needs urgent media training before future debates.It shouldn't be possible to come across even more of a cnut than Sunak.
 
Sunak coming back early from the D day commemoration, to do an interview with ITV (in which he lies about not lying). The flagshaggers in the tories just had their brains exploded.
 
Didn't take long for Boris Sunak to show his true colours did it. He has become characterised as a liar. And shit sticks.
 
What goes around comes around. Couldn't happen to a bigger group of pricks.

It's funny, because what the Tories did wasn't even that extreme in political gamesmanship, so hilarious to see them being burnt heavily by it after they betrayed the kinship of politics by exploiting the treasury note joke so they could push through austerity.
 
What goes around comes around. Couldn't happen to a bigger group of pricks.

It's funny, because what the Tories did wasn't even that extreme in political gamesmanship, so hilarious to see them being burnt heavily by it after they betrayed the kinship of politics by exploiting the treasury note joke so they could push through austerity.
Are they really though? The Sun and other right wing titles are all still parroting the £2k tax hike figure, which was the intention, and there's minimal coverage of the lying claims in the biggest media outlets. Labour should be fighting back with the Spectator's £3k calculation for what Tory policies would cost and the £13k figure from Sky. Just denying the £2k is making them sound weak, possibly lying and on the backfoot.
 
Are they really though? The Sun and other right wing titles are all still parroting the £2k tax hike figure, which was the intention, and there's minimal coverage of the lying claims in the biggest media outlets. Labour should be fighting back with the Spectator's £3k calculation for what Tory policies would cost and the £13k figure from Sky. Just denying the £2k is making them sound weak, possibly lying and on the backfoot.

The problem that Sunak and anyone from the Tories has now is that the first question they are being asked is whether Sunak is a liar. And can they justify the £2k claim. And incidentally what about their plans which will increase taxes by £3k....

You can't tell everyone when you become the PM, unelected PM by the way, that you are different from Boris Johnson and you are going to operate with Honesty and Integrity, only to be shown to be the same as Boris. A liar.
 
Saying that, Sunak's fecked up leaving the D-Day memorial early. He's getting loads of shit online.
 
Saying that, Sunak's fecked up leaving the D-Day memorial early. He's getting loads of shit online.

It was terrible judgment and it is revealing of his character in a manner that will cut through to his base (you would have thought).
 
Given the demographic of voters who would be likely to sway towards voting for Farage, the optics of what he did will bite him. Yet another Tory feck up.
 
Disaster for Sunak really. It’s exactly the sort of thing he will have wanted to avoid as it ties into the average conservative’s suspicion that he’s out of touch and the gammon racist suspicion that he’s definitely “not one of us” and doesn’t get it at all.
 
Disaster for Sunak really. It’s exactly the sort of thing he will have wanted to avoid as it ties into the average conservative’s suspicion that he’s out of touch and the gammon racist suspicion that he’s definitely “not one of us” and doesn’t get it at all.

The thing is, he isn't one of us.

Not because he has brown skin obviously, but because he is worth 3/4 of a billion quid and up until he was made chancellor, and even during it, held a green card because he wants to live in his massive home in California.

No one will ever convince me he is not trying to lose this election. They had lost anyway, but standing in the rain to announce the election, going to the Titanic district, walking away from D Day celebrations, these are things he absolutely knew would tank his support or lead to ridicule and still did them.
 
Bizarre decision from Sunak / those avoiding him. It's cut through more than anything else so far this campaign from what I'm seeing on my own social media which is usually relatively non political. Existential indeed...
 
Let's be honest, he's not really a proper white Englishman, and so how can understand things like D Day, after all it was back in the days when it was proper white englishmen who won the war.

As dispiriting as it is seeing the undertone of some of the right wing loons losing their minds over this from sunak. There's some karma in dog whistles bringing him down.
 
Let's be honest, he's not really a proper white Englishman, and so how can understand things like D Day, after all it was back in the days when it was proper white englishmen who won the war.

As dispiriting as it is seeing the undertone of some of the right wing loons losing their minds over this from sunak. There's some karma in dog whistles bringing him down.

He fecking thinks he’s so clever doing those stupid Instagram videos. Many see him as an open joke.
 
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