General Election 2024

Who got your vote?

  • Labour

    Votes: 147 54.2%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 25 9.2%
  • Green

    Votes: 48 17.7%
  • Reform

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Independent

    Votes: 8 3.0%
  • UK resident but not voting

    Votes: 18 6.6%
  • Spoiled my ballot

    Votes: 3 1.1%

  • Total voters
    271
  • Poll closed .
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i’ve decided that i’m going to run in the next general election.
 
It’s pretty simple actually. Not everyone that dislikes Dianne Abbot is racist but Dianne Abbot receives a lot of abuse and disgusting treatment from people that are racist.

I really don’t think racists differentiate between Diane Abbot and other people they hate. She's just more in the public eye and she's mostly in the headlines because she's dozy as feck.

She's had a good innings its time to pass the baton.
 
In theory, could Rishi just resign, and Penny Mourdant take over?

That'd be a massive boost for the Tory cnuts.
 
In theory, could Rishi just resign, and Penny Mourdant take over?

That'd be a massive boost for the Tory cnuts.
Labour's campaign slogan would be:
"She's not gonna shag you mate"
 
It's sad to see Faiza go but she shouldn't even think of running as an independent. I'm sure she would understand splitting the vote means IDS could get into parliament again and that would be unfathomable. I for one am looking forward to IDS, Steve Baker and Moggy being out as well the likelihood of Jeremy cnut.
 
This is an incredible take down of the "mickey mouse degree" and National Service crap ...by a certain Tory peer :lol:

They have told the population they don't want children to reach and achieve their dream of University. They want university for a narrow slice of the population, and the rest of you plebs can "know your place" and serve us in National Service.

I might be in the minority, i don't know how the caf feels, but I am sickened by the idea of universities being solely for employment opportunities. If everyone that wanted/could do the study, could attend university, I do not give two-shits about what the actual degree is. IMO the general "levelling up" of base education university-level is not a bad thing. Yet also in contrast, we should be improving the technical and vocational opportunities for those not wanting to attend university.

The general level of all education, whether academic or technical should be ever increasing for the whole population. Not simply creating classes of deserving and not deserving people.

 
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For comparison their 2019 predictions at a similar(ish)point:



So they predicted 160 more for conservative but they got 80? doesn't seem very very very implausible their current prediction?
 
I don't think it will be that low for them but I don't have a reason to really doubt their methods. They have their history of prediction accuracy somewhere on the website.
 
So they predicted 160 more for conservative but they got 80? doesn't seem very very very implausible their current prediction?
They actually undersold the Tory majority, it predicted 163 more seats than Labour rather than a 163 seat majority (they actually ended up with 179 more seats than Labour). I wouldn't expect the results will be that drastic but nothing has changed since the campagins started and we're still heading to a very large Labour majority.
 
They actually undersold the Tory majority, it predicted 163 more seats than Labour rather than a 163 seat majority (they actually ended up with 179 more seats than Labour). I wouldn't expect the results will be that drastic but nothing has changed since the campagins started and we're still heading to a very large Labour majority.

Oh I see, I confused 80 seats vs labour with a total 80 majority in the whole HoC, silly me

I don't see the 179 more seats prediction though on the table. If that table is true, they nailed the prediction to current 202 labour and 165 conservatives would be 163 current difference
 
This is an incredible take down of the "mickey mouse degree" and National Service crap ...by a certain Tory peer :lol:

They have told the population they don't want children to reach and achieve their dream of University. They want university for a narrow slice of the population, and the rest of you plebs can "know your place" and serve us in National Service.

I might be in the minority, i don't know how the caf feels, but I am sickened by the idea of universities being solely for employment opportunities. If everyone that wanted/could do the study, could attend university, I do not give two-shits about what the actual degree is. IMO the general "levelling up" of base education university-level is not a bad thing. Yet also in contrast, we should be improving the technical and vocational opportunities for those not wanting to attend university.

The general level of all education, whether academic or technical should be ever increasing for the whole population. Not simply creating classes of deserving and not deserving people.

The "dream of university" is the problem.

Far too many people go to university and waste their time and money. It's all become a business - you have to play the game, spend money you don't have to learn non-academic skills, to then get paid dick shit for years in a crap job in which you learn everything as you go anyway.

Far fewer people should be going. It's just another UK cash grab industry. Your 2:2 degree in "digital design" is literally worthless.
 
So seriously, what does Labour have to do to somehow feck this up, it seems like they've already begun the process.

Also, i'm going to tightly follow but crazy left-field desperation policies the Tories come up with to try and claw something back.

I'm going to stick a penny on bringing back the death penalty.
 
It'll be interesting to see how much this changes as well:

There's more than one kind of risk to those headline opinion poll leads.

Presumably that won't narrow much in two weeks either. It feels like the fact several million are effectively being blocked from voting is getting close to zero coverage.
 
Asked whether he himself thinks Diane Abbott should be a candidate, Cleverly says: "She was a real trailblazer. I don't agree with her politics at all but I think even her harshest critics would say that the way the Labour leadership has treated her has been appalling."

He's obviously just doing this for political reasons but embarrassing that even Cleverly is calling out how Starmer has managed this whole process.
 
The "dream of university" is the problem.

Far too many people go to university and waste their time and money. It's all become a business - you have to play the game, spend money you don't have to learn non-academic skills, to then get paid dick shit for years in a crap job in which you learn everything as you go anyway.

Far fewer people should be going. It's just another UK cash grab industry. Your 2:2 degree in "digital design" is literally worthless.

And yet there's no money to be had from taking in UK students because the government won't pay for it and also wants to restrict the number of foreign students. Some industry that.

Universities are in part responsible for nearly every good thing that's ever happened, also sometimes the bad. It's the way of learning and the people you meet who are interested in and knowledgeable about such a variety of different things that add the value in a university. It's not just a finishing school for work.

The way they're run and funded is fecking hopeless and they drastically need reform, but their purpose is still just as necessary as it ever was, and having more people experience that wouldn't hurt at all. Vastly more useful than a gap year for most people. They'd be even more useful if there were more year in industry type courses going as well though, and if the academics weren't incentivised to be useless, selfish turds pretending to research things rather than actually teaching people and supporting the students' research.
 
And yet there's no money to be had from taking in UK students because the government won't pay for it and also wants to restrict the number of foreign students. Some industry that.

Universities are in part responsible for nearly every good thing that's ever happened, also sometimes the bad. It's the way of learning and the people you meet who are interested in and knowledgeable about such a variety of different things that add the value in a university. It's not just a finishing school for work.

The way they're run and funded is fecking hopeless and they drastically need reform, but their purpose is still just as necessary as it ever was, and having more people experience that wouldn't hurt at all. Vastly more useful than a gap year for most people. They'd be even more useful if there were more year in industry type courses going as well though, and if the academics weren't incentivised to be useless, selfish turds pretending to research things rather than actually teaching people and supporting the students' research.

Most of these courses are worthless and teach nothing. They're a waste of everyone's time. People don't leave more educated, they just leave more disillusioned and poor.

University is of course a wonderful thing, for the right person studying the right thing. But it shouldn't be for most people, and society should rethink itself and realise that isn't negative.
 
The "dream of university" is the problem.

Far too many people go to university and waste their time and money. It's all become a business - you have to play the game, spend money you don't have to learn non-academic skills, to then get paid dick shit for years in a crap job in which you learn everything as you go anyway.

Far fewer people should be going. It's just another UK cash grab industry. Your 2:2 degree in "digital design" is literally worthless.
I slightly disagree with that.

I'm a person who didn't go to uni, but does do digital design for a living. So while I didn't rack up the debt that comes with doing a degree in that field, I did have to work pretty much for free for years to demonstrate my ability while also working in low paid jobs at the same time.

It probably set my career back by a decade, so all things considered, I think things tend to even out.

I also agree with what @WPMUFC said earlier - all levels of education should be open to everyone to improve themselves regardless of whether it qualifies them for some industry or another. All learning experience is good experience.
 
University is not just about 'what job can you get', the entire process pushes people to think critically, to develop their approach to knowledge that benefit them in every aspect of life.

A country of well educated people cannot be tricked into voting for boris johnson. That is why there is so much pressure to limit who can go, and devalue the experience beyond how much money you make afterwards.
 
Most of these courses are worthless and teach nothing. They're a waste of everyone's time. People don't leave more educated, they just leave more disillusioned and poor.

University is of course a wonderful thing, for the right person studying the right thing. But it shouldn't be for most people, and society should rethink itself and realise that isn't negative.

It's only a problem because it's taxed to feck. I still pay something like an extra 7% tax because I decided to get an engineering degree, and I left university nearly 15 years ago. Yes they call it loan repayments but it's a tax. I think it stops in 2035 for me if I remember rightly.

And I actually think some of the people who dropped out of my course in their first year, realising it wasn't for them, have often been some of the most successful. Most changed courses but some went on to do other things. That year was very important for them in my opinion, a bridge to understanding what they wanted to do. Failing at university can also be a good experience.
 
Thought i'd add some international perspective to the "surely it can't be that bad for the tories" narrative. In Western Australia we had a state election in 2021 and we have a 59 seat "commons". All the polling, part from 1/2 polls had the Labour party with a commanding lead. Labour was in power with a strong majority, but people thought COVID lockdowns would hurt them. On election night the labour party took 53 seats out of 59. Something that should be impossible in a democracy like Australia. The "tories" ended up with 2 seats.

During the campaign, the "tories" ate themselves alive, they were fighting between hard-right factions and the leader of the party actually conceded the election before the vote (he lost his seat). Now, I realise that Western Australia is not even close to a full UK General Election. :lol: However, what I am saying is that sometimes the polls are just bang on, maybe even understating the mood and seismic things happen. The tories are in the perfect storm of just being a historically shit party, and I think folks should prepare for a situation where 100 seats is actually the tories "doing well", this could genuinely end up at 70-90 seats outcome.

I worked as a "how to vote card" rep on that election and you could just feel it when people picked up the leaflets, you just got people coming up to you, saying nothing, specifically taking the labour leaflet and then voting. It was a quiet rage at incompetence, sick to the back-teeth of right-wing infighting and basically a party that was acting like delusional clowns.

Seismic political events are a rarity, but they do happen and I think we are witnessing that here.
 
Starmer:


“I think you win from the centre ground, the centre ground is where most people are. As a nation, broadly speaking we’re a pretty reasonable, tolerant bunch but we are in the centre ground of politics. People don’t like the extremes of the right or the left. They are reasonably tolerant. They want themselves, their families and the country to improve and make progress.”

Stressing his message that he has changed the Labour party, he said you did not have to be a lifelong Labour supporter to be part of his mission. He said “One of the invitations we’ve thrown out is to say we want a decade of national renewal. The national bit is really important to people. This isn’t a tribal Labour. You don’t have to be a lifelong Labour supporter and voter to want to have a decade of national renewal. Very many Tories would want it. I want it to be wide enough to accommodate people who wouldn’t identify as Labour. They’d vote Labour this time.”
 
incentivised to be useless, selfish turds pretending to research things rather than actually teaching people and supporting the students' research.
Curious to know what these incentives are. Also curious how academics who don't do research are qualified to supervise students' research.
By the way only a fraction of academics are involved in research in most universities.
 
Curious to know what these incentives are. Also curious how academics who don't do research are qualified to supervise students' research.
By the way only a fraction of academics are involved in research in most universities.
The REF is a major one. It has massive financial implications and does incentivise the producing of research which often does not form teaching materials.
 
Starmer:


“I think you win from the centre ground, the centre ground is where most people are. As a nation, broadly speaking we’re a pretty reasonable, tolerant bunch but we are in the centre ground of politics. People don’t like the extremes of the right or the left. They are reasonably tolerant. They want themselves, their families and the country to improve and make progress.”

Stressing his message that he has changed the Labour party, he said you did not have to be a lifelong Labour supporter to be part of his mission. He said “One of the invitations we’ve thrown out is to say we want a decade of national renewal. The national bit is really important to people. This isn’t a tribal Labour. You don’t have to be a lifelong Labour supporter and voter to want to have a decade of national renewal. Very many Tories would want it. I want it to be wide enough to accommodate people who wouldn’t identify as Labour. They’d vote Labour this time.”

Sunak is trying to win back reform voters with his bin fire campaign and labour wants to pinch the "soft right" away from them leaving the tories dead in the water. Sunak is telling the country we need to sweep the children off the streets and into the military, that young people suck and we will attack their parents for it. Starmer is saying I want everyone onboard to fix things.

Just on pure nonsense political messaging it's a great message to put out there. One party is running a GE campaign, the other is sucking off Neil Farage fans.
 
Curious to know what these incentives are. Also curious how academics who don't do research are qualified to supervise students' research.
By the way only a fraction of academics are involved in research in most universities.

Some lecturers are named on papers they haven't even read and understood, they just insist their name goes on. In science subjects that is. Being in a journal is more important than actually learning something, or than actually doing good, reproducible research.
 
I'm going to stick a penny on bringing back the death penalty.

Worth a £1 bet.... around about the last full week before polling date... will sling in a proposal to bring back death penalty into the mix.... closely followed by the kitchen sink! :eek:
 
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