I think this is Trump related but just in the GE thread? In the US a Governor has pardoning power for state crimes I believe.
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I think this is Trump related but just in the GE thread? In the US a Governor has pardoning power for state crimes I believe.
Yes, that is the question; but it is also a smart move by Starmer with him being seen to concede to his deputies request to let Diane Abbot stand.
If subsequently Abbot 'messes up' either in getting elected (shouldn't think so), or with future 'gaffs' when she has to answer questions as a backbencher, especially about things she doesn't really believe in... then it will all come down on Rayner, and then.... she might find the 'rails greased under her'.
"You might think that , but I couldn't possibly comment"... comes to mind
Just annouced is the candidate for denby dale, Jade Botterill .
She worked for yvette cooper, then corporate affairs for yorkshire water, one of the worst polluters in the country.
Now, after sending a tweet saying good luck to rishi sunak, and she hoped he would be PM soon, she is a labour PPC.
Note that this is not considered a bad tweet history if you know the right people.
She worked for yvette cooper, then corporate affairs for yorkshire water, one of the worst polluters in the country.
Now, after sending a tweet saying good luck to rishi sunak, and she hoped he would be PM soon, she is a labour PPC.
Note that this is not considered a bad tweet history if you know the right people.
Just annouced is the candidate for denby dale, Jade Botterill .
She worked for yvette cooper, then corporate affairs for yorkshire water, one of the worst polluters in the country.
Now, after sending a tweet saying good luck to rishi sunak, and she hoped he would be PM soon, she is a labour PPC.
Note that this is not considered a bad tweet history if you know the right people.
I think it is important to add some context.
This is a new constituency, in part replacing the Wakefield seat won by Imran Khan for the Tories in 2019 (he was found guilty of sexually assaulting the 15-year-old boy in 2022).
Electoral Calculus estimate the Tories had a 54% share of the vote in the new boundaries, but Labour have a 91% chance of gaining the seat according to current polls.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Ossett and Denby Dale
The context is Faiza was blocked as a candidate, and one of the tweets mentioned was her praising a green party councillor, 4 years before she even joined the labour party.
This person, well in with the faction of the party running things today, praised the tory leader 4 years ago. That is not a reason to block her.
Just be clear here, my view is that none of this should matter, there is no reason to block either person, but this is so factional, so obviously biased that it makes a complete laughing stock of the word democracy.
Anything else Faiza apparently did at all, or was it that sole tweet? What's the relevance of working for Yorkshire Water?
Either priasing another party is a bad thing or it is not. Pick one, stick to it. Don'yt say it is for one person and not another.
There are at least 6 ex PR people for private water joined labour in this intake, they also brought back angela smith into the party (breaking the 5 year rule for people who campaigned against labour in aprevious election), who is now a private water exec.
They will not do anything to pressure water companies. They are in bed with them.
I haven't said anything about Faiza saying anything about another party? I think there were a series of tweets, including one that she mentioned could be perceived to lead to an antisemitic trope (to paraphrase her) but I don't know the full picture.
You've pasted part of a conversation that appears to be around the time lockdown was announced. Working for a water company (apparently in a role involving the TUC and setting up some employment campaign) for a couple of years isn't a sign of being in hoc to anyone. Are there any other employers or industries that won't make good labour people in your eyes?
My point was that they picked her for a seat they are almost certain to win. It isn't like she is facing Sunak in Richmond.
She was at Yorkshire Water form Jan 2020 to Jun 2022, and then spent less than a year at 38 Degrees (a campaigning charity).
Now have a look at her bio - from her own website https://www.jadebotterill.com/about
<< ....Instead, my career began locally. I got my first job aged 13. My first proper job was at River Island in the Ridings in Wakefield, when I was 16 - and then as a Community Development Officer working with local kids at Wakefield Trinity, where I secured funding to improve local children's health and wellbeing, and giving 2,000 young people the chance to engage with sport.
Now, in my professional life, I work to support vital local and national campaigns, like holding water companies to account when they pollute our rivers and seas, calling for support through the cost of living crisis and tackling NHS waiting lists. >>
Thats not just misleading, its utterly pathetic.
Now have a look at her bio - from her own website https://www.jadebotterill.com/about
<< ....Instead, my career began locally. I got my first job aged 13. My first proper job was at River Island in the Ridings in Wakefield, when I was 16 - and then as a Community Development Officer working with local kids at Wakefield Trinity, where I secured funding to improve local children's health and wellbeing, and giving 2,000 young people the chance to engage with sport.
Now, in my professional life, I work to support vital local and national campaigns, like holding water companies to account when they pollute our rivers and seas, calling for support through the cost of living crisis and tackling NHS waiting lists. >>
Thats not just misleading, its utterly pathetic.
Are you sure it was under a year at 38 degrees?
https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/...for-new-seat-at-next-general-election-4359090
Are you being parachuted in if selected by the local party and having lived in the area for much of your life?
https://yorks.unison.org.uk/tag/ossett-and-denby-dale/ Unison endorsed.
Are you being parachuted in if selected by the local party and having lived in the area for much of your life?
https://yorks.unison.org.uk/tag/ossett-and-denby-dale/ Unison endorsed.
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I had the new local Labour candidate for my constituency knock my door yesterday evening canvassing within 24 hours of him being announced as the candidate. He is one of the ones not selected by local members… not even sure he lives in the constituency.
I just lied and said I’d vote for him as couldn’t be bothered getting into long debates given the number of gripes I have about this version of the Labour Party. It did make me wonder how many people also do that with canvassers…
I just lied and said I’d vote for him as couldn’t be bothered getting into long debates given the number of gripes I have about this version of the Labour Party. It did make me wonder how many people also do that with canvassers…
How do you notice that?
I read the thread and looked at some of tweets.
You disproved racism by reading the thread and looking at some tweets?
I haven't claimed to disprove racism. In another thread I wrote today 'of course racism exists', but good luck with your witch-hunt.
He didn't make that claim.
I didn't mean around the world, obviously, or from all aspects of society, but regarding the specific thing you're talking about.
Racism is typically understood as bigotry or discrimination based on race/ethnicity. You said you "notice from recent selections that being brown doesn't seem to matter too much after all", and you called it cheap allegations to say that it does matter.
The answer seem to still be that you noticed that racism isn't really relevant here, and disagreeing with that is just cheap allegations from the usual suspects, because you read the thread and some tweets, is that correct?
I have to be honest, I thought you were going for something like "some non-white people have been selected, therefore it's not about race". I was simply curious if I was right, or if you had a different methodology.
Does it make you racist not to want Diane Abbot run for MP?
Starmer admits he flew by private jet to clean energy jobs rally in Scotland
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...te-jet-to-clean-energy-jobs-rally-in-scotland
It’s pretty simple actually. Not everyone that dislikes Dianne Abbot is racist but Dianne Abbot receives a lot of abuse and disgusting treatment from people that are racist.
It'll be interesting to see how much this changes as well:
It will be interesting to track the changes over the next month.
There's more than one kind of risk to those headline opinion poll leads.
Has anyone disputed that on here?
Your last sentence isn't far off, I'll add to it as best I can from memory, I'm not going back checking every detail sorry:
Several people posted here that the action Labour took against Diane Abbott and one of the candidates was due to racism. Abbott has been subject to that from many sources of course but I know of no evidence that racism was the primary or even secondary motive of Labour in what they did. Then tweets were posted that recent selections were, as you say, of non-white people, which to me is good evidence that Labour is not so racist in it's selection policy, and the allegations were off the mark.
I don't think Starmer and others wanted Abbott out because of race any more than they wanted Corbyn out because of race. I think the reason was politics. Perhaps you disagree?
Ok, so I was right, and I was not in fact trying to get the village to burn you at the stake or drown you in the river.
That's a relief. I did ask a question though, bearing in mind I answered yours.
What I think is that no matter what factors played a role in the treatment of Abbott and Shaheen, your method of concluding that racism wasn't a relevant factor is extremely silly and poor, and one that has been used by people to downplay bigotry since forever. "How can Republicans be racist, they chose Ben Carson" is basically the level you're operating at, while ridiculing among other things Shaheen's experience herself.
At no time have I ridiculed Shaheen's experience, quite honestly I know very little about her. I can't comment on Ben Carson, I've never heard of him. I answered your questions honestly but might not reply again given your tone.
Of course you have. You jumped on the chance to call the racism talk cheap allegations. She thinks racism was involved.
You started off by accusing me of witch-hunting, with no basis in reality, and also dismissing a bunch of people as "the usual suspects", so it's pretty funny that you now take issue with tone.
Yeah, and at some point she will need to back that up.
TBF the whole party membership in Wales turned up!
No, but there is a calculated decision being made about candidacy at the same time.
There are usually over a dozen applications for candidacies in open constituencies. Brighton Kemptown got 22 in 2017, which ultimately led to Russell-Moyle being selected. Every selection is deliberate, and although the NEC is nominally independent the Labour leader usually has a clear majority of members who think the same way and will be ideologically aligned. That was the case under Corbyn too.
Given the snap election in 2017 Labour Regions were given a lot of discretion in choosing candidates, and the speed at which they did so led to massive mistakes. The point about the disparity in treatment between candidates stands though, especially as some tweets about other parties are deemed to break the rulebook, and others are not.
I am also not denying that Starmer is choosing a deliberate strategy to get elected, and wants candidates who will not be red flags to the right wing media. The opinion polls show he is being very successful and will likely become PM. I think one can accept all of this, still register dislike of individual decisions, still despise the Tory Party, still acknowledge things Starmer is getting right (lowering the voting age for example) and still hope that a Labour Government will be far more transformative than they are currently stating that they will be.
There were about 300 people gathered to see Faiza Shaheen outside Tesco this evening. Her campaign manager did a good job hyping the crowd and we listened to a bunch of speeches from constituents about how amazing she is but when she finally got up and spoke she was distinctly uninspiring. In my opinion she hasn't got what it takes to win as an independent and I think she knows it too. I saw fear and doubt in her when she spoke, and when she said she had some decisions to make in the next few days at that moment I felt she was done. I predict that in a few days she'll announce that she is going to spend more time with her family and not run. There's just no payoff to working hard for 6 weeks to maybe win a seat enabling her to sit in Parliament and achieve feck-all and be out of the party for good. If she's smart she'll angle for a job in government in return for going away quietly and publicly supporting her successor.
I wonder if Labour have calculated that they don't even need her endorsement. If the result was that close in the Corbyn election then surely the swing will easily carry the seat for Labour. Maybe someone in the party will feel sorry for her and offer her a role....after all she is somebody who could be an asset to them. I feel sorry for her that she has been shafted like this but she has a good life to go back to and may yet have a part to play in the future. I plan to work for the new candidate and get IDS fecked off back to his country estate for good.
I wonder if Labour have calculated that they don't even need her endorsement. If the result was that close in the Corbyn election then surely the swing will easily carry the seat for Labour. Maybe someone in the party will feel sorry for her and offer her a role....after all she is somebody who could be an asset to them. I feel sorry for her that she has been shafted like this but she has a good life to go back to and may yet have a part to play in the future. I plan to work for the new candidate and get IDS fecked off back to his country estate for good.
How the BBC are reporting it:
We've been hearing more comments from former Labour candidate Faiza Shaheen who was banned from standing for the Labour after complaints she "liked" social media posts that allegedly downplayed antisemitism.
At a rally this evening in Highams Park, north-west London, held in support of her general election bid, Shaheen said she didn't think "there's any way back" for her into the party.
Speaking at the rally, Shaheen added: "Look at what they've done to me, what they've done to Diane (Abbott), to make us grovel and beg - no."
Shaheen, who fought the seat in 2019, has said she is considering legal action over the move and released a statement accusing some within Labour of a “systematic campaign of racism, Islamophobia and bullying”.
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Given that she has only just had a kid I don't think she can be blamed for not running.
There's really no victory for her in any scenario. She's been done dirty and she knows it.
99 times out of 100 (and perhaps even more) independent campaigns do not work. You need to have been in office for a long time, like Corbyn or Abbott, to have any hope. Dominic Grieve and a load of the other Tories Boris kicked out in 2019 over their support for a soft Brexit did not win as independents. People vote for parties.
The only time I can remember an independent winning in the same circumstances as Shaheen was Blaenau Gwent in 2005, where a popular local politician was deselected by Labour in favour of a parachuted in candidate. Even then the independent campaign was helped by the seat being safe Labour, and therefore it had few party resources poured into it.
When you have a marginal like Chingford, Labour will be pouring money and resources into the fight. Shaheen would be lucky to retain a deposit.
Ask people on the street the name of their local MP and an awful lot wouldn't even know, unless they were a national figure as you say. A candidate fewer still.
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