General Election 2024

Who got your vote?

  • Labour

    Votes: 147 54.2%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 25 9.2%
  • Green

    Votes: 48 17.7%
  • Reform

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Independent

    Votes: 8 3.0%
  • UK resident but not voting

    Votes: 18 6.6%
  • Spoiled my ballot

    Votes: 3 1.1%

  • Total voters
    271
  • Poll closed .
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I guess the analogy would be the 2010 election, where all the three parties were arguing about was £6 billion of cuts to respond to the financial crisis. The coalition comes in and makes £110 billion in cuts and tax rises.

I imagine social care, tuition fees, education budgets and PPI will be some of these tough choices?
 
I guess the analogy would be the 2010 election, where all the three parties were arguing about was £6 billion of cuts to respond to the financial crisis. The coalition comes in and makes £110 billion in cuts and tax rises.

I imagine social care, tuition fees, education budgets and PPI will be some of these tough choices?

He would see none of that as 'really hard'.

Hes talking about things that will face an immediate push back from the country.

We have no idea what he has in mind. It should concern everyone. 2019 was a travesty and ended in disaster precisely because the tories were allowed to bullshit their way through by saying nothing about what they had planned.

Here we are with the media doing the exact same thing again.
 
He would see none of that as 'really hard'.

Hes talking about things that will face an immediate push back from the country.

We have no idea what he has in mind. It should concern everyone. 2019 was a travesty and ended in disaster precisely because the tories were allowed to bullshit their way through by saying nothing about what they had planned.

Here we are with the media doing the exact same thing again.

Out of interest, what kinds of things do you think he might be referring to?
 
He would see none of that as 'really hard'.

Hes talking about things that will face an immediate push back from the country.

We have no idea what he has in mind. It should concern everyone. 2019 was a travesty and ended in disaster precisely because the tories were allowed to bullshit their way through by saying nothing about what they had planned.

Here we are with the media doing the exact same thing again.

A plan to have people pay more and possibly lose their houses for social care and jacking up uni fees to 15k was what immediately came to mind.
 
A plan to have people pay more and possibly lose their houses for social care and jacking up uni fees to 15k was what immediately came to mind.


Thats possible. I think initially it will be more like banning protests. Half his new candidates are openly calling the gaza marches terrorists and 'pro hamas', he'll be under pressure to deal with it.

Even people who want those marches to stop should be concerned about that though, almost certain any new legislation will serverely restrict all protest, it won;t be something to cheer on for anybody.
 
I guess the analogy would be the 2010 election, where all the three parties were arguing about was £6 billion of cuts to respond to the financial crisis. The coalition comes in and makes £110 billion in cuts and tax rises.

I imagine social care, tuition fees, education budgets and PPI will be some of these tough choices?
Yep I would agree. It’s going to get very bleak.
 


I just had a quick look at this organisation and I'm curious what exactly makes it Zionist? The only thing I found was an article where the Israeli author talks about a 2-state solution. I'm just very sceptical that Labour would put in a candidate with extreme pro-Israel views given the demographics of that constituency. On my bus journey back from the Shaheen rally I saw lots of Palestinian flags and even Palestinian restaurants and shops. A lot of her supporters were wearing the flag badges and she herself gave a half-hearted wave of a Palestinian flag at the end of her speech.

I'm still waiting to hear from Tatler and weirdly London Labour still has Shaheen as the candidate on their website.

https://www.progressivebritain.org/how-the-western-left-betrayed-me-an-israeli-leftys-critique/
 
BBC: Diane Abbott says she will run as Labour candidate at election

Veteran left-winger Diane Abbott says she intends to "run and win as Labour's candidate" for Hackney North & Stoke Newington at the election.

It follows a row over her political future after she was suspended from the party in 2023 following comments she made about racism, and then had the whip restored.
 
BBC: Diane Abbott says she will run as Labour candidate at election

Veteran left-winger Diane Abbott says she intends to "run and win as Labour's candidate" for Hackney North & Stoke Newington at the election.

It follows a row over her political future after she was suspended from the party in 2023 following comments she made about racism, and then had the whip restored.


A party ridden with racism, I thought this was the Tory's thing.
 
I just had a quick look at this organisation and I'm curious what exactly makes it Zionist? The only thing I found was an article where the Israeli author talks about a 2-state solution. I'm just very sceptical that Labour would put in a candidate with extreme pro-Israel views given the demographics of that constituency. On my bus journey back from the Shaheen rally I saw lots of Palestinian flags and even Palestinian restaurants and shops. A lot of her supporters were wearing the flag badges and she herself gave a half-hearted wave of a Palestinian flag at the end of her speech.

I'm still waiting to hear from Tatler and weirdly London Labour still has Shaheen as the candidate on their website.

https://www.progressivebritain.org/how-the-western-left-betrayed-me-an-israeli-leftys-critique/

I'm assuming they meant LFI there and it's in list format rather than it pointing to Progress (although there's bit cross over). I think Labour being so far ahead in the polls are even willing to parachute in LFI members into such seats. The majority of the shadow cabinet are funded through LFI if not key figures themselves.
 
Just received the following message from the Labour General Secretary (even though I am no longer a member):

I'm forwarding on this vital message from Labour HQ to you - it explains our current situation and why your support is more crucial than ever.

Please read the message below and contribute if you can - I know firsthand the difference this makes to our campaign to change Britain.

David


Friends, we don’t want to worry you first thing in the morning, but we have no choice but to share this with you.

We started the first week of our election campaign off strong with a huge surge of donations, and we are hugely grateful - but as we’ve entered the second week, they’ve slowed down significantly - take a look at this:
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We expected our donations to slow, but it's worse than we expected, and it's making us uneasy at HQ.

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I got one last week.

Which is odd, because after they contacted me about a data leak a couple of years ago, I sent a GDPR request for them to remove all my data from their records.

They are lining up some monumental fines if the ICO could ever be persuaded to take these breaches seriously.
 
Whether the vote goes red or blue, baby boomers will win the general election

Baby boomers are being courted with financial inducements from both main political parties. Millennials and Gen Z, not so much. Here we assess the intergenerational impact of the election so far.

Pensions
Rishi Sunak has promised to increase the state pension every year by the higher of inflation, earnings or 2.5%, known as the triple lock. In addition, he said a Conservative government would return to the pre-2010 era, when pensioners enjoyed a higher income tax threshold, safeguarding those who live on the state pension from paying tax.
Under this offer, workers eligible for state benefits will pay tax on their payments if they cross the £12,570 threshold, but pensions will be protected from taxation.
Working-age benefits are means-tested, while the state pension is not, allowing even very rich pensioners to claim it.
Investment
Labour has subscribed to the Conservative budget rule that commits the government to reduce debt as a proportion of national annual income (GDP) before the end of the next parliament. This rule is widely considered to limit the level of investment that a government can embark on, and Labour has squeezed plans for investment spending to meet the rule.
Conservative ministers believe that public debt is a burden on future generations. Most economists would disagree, arguing that if debt is used for investment, then the dividends to future generations outweigh the costs.
Housing
Labour has pledged to “rip up” planning rules that prevent developers from building new homes. It has questioned the preservation of green belt land around major conurbations, arguing that there are good reasons to build homes in areas that are currently protected.
Conservative ministers have subscribed to housebuilding targets but failed to meet them over the last decade.
Both parties rely on private sector developers to increase the supply of homes, offering a mix of subsidies and incentives to promote growth. However, private housebuilders are known to regulate supply to maintain high house values, leaving many millennials to pay much higher rent and mortgage costs than previous generations.

Education
Schools budgets are under pressure. A survey published by the Sutton Trust in April found that 46% of all schools in England were cutting back on support staff because of financial difficulties.
Labour will apply VAT to private schools, and schools will receive more money, although the amount is not specified. The shadow education secretary, Bridget Phillipson, has not ruled out increasing university fees and has refused to commit to extra funding for FE colleges. University fees are expected to rise if the Conservatives are re-elected.
The Conservatives have a childcare scheme that started in April and is supposed to ramp up over the next two years. But the National Audit Office recently revealed the Department for Education had assessed the likelihood of being able to deliver the funded childcare places it promised for September 2024 and 2025 as “amber/red problematic”.
Labour is expected to continue the scheme, although the costs of private childcare have rocketed, and for many it is unaffordable despite the subsidy.
The saddest thing for millennials and Gen Z is that due to demographics shift, by the time they are eligible for state pension, it is unlikely to even exist.
 
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The saddest thing for millennials and Gen Z is that due to demographics shift by the time they are eligible for state pension it is unlikely to even exist.

aye. i’ve written off ever getting a state pension in my retirement calculations.
 
It was Grinner.


In all seriousness I've been checking the London Labour page daily and they haven't advertised a single canvassing event yet. They still have Shaheen listed as the candidate and there is nothing about Tatler on the site at all. I saw Shaheen's Instagram post about someone knocking on her door but I don't think any official canvassing is happening yet.

This all sounds fishy to me. I saw the app that somebody else mentioned which has all of the registered voter data and we update it as we go from house to house. I really can't believe party workers went to her house to ask about voting intentions.
 
Green Party dropping candidates for anti-semitism....which party will Owen Jones move to now that the Greens are part of the problem ? :lol: :nervous:
 
Young people need to start voting out of spite, if nothing else. Coffin dodgers deciding everything and laughing at young folk.

Feck 'em up, millenials and gen Z.
 
Young people need to start voting out of spite, if nothing else. Coffin dodgers deciding everything and laughing at young folk.

Feck 'em up, millenials and gen Z.

You could just keep the bolded and many problems would be solved.
 
Kemi Badenoch has said the Conservatives will change the Equality Act to rewrite the definition of sex and allow organisations to bar transgender women from single-sex spaces, including hospital wards and sports events.

The party will make clear that the protected characteristic of sex means biological sex, enabling those who wish to bar male-bodied people from organisations or activities to do so.

Badenoch said it would provide reassurance for services such as those aimed at domestic abuse victims.

“Whether it is rapists being housed in women’s prisons, or instances of men playing in women’s sports where they have an unfair advantage, it is clear that public authorities and regulatory bodies are confused about what uni the law says on sex and gender and when to act – often for fear of being accused of transphobia, or not being inclusive,” Badenoch said.

“That is why we are today pledging that, if we form a government after the election, we will clarify that sex in the law means biological sex and not new, redefined meanings of the word. The protection of women and girls’ spaces is too important to allow the confusion to continue.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-allow-bars-on-trans-women-says-kemi-badenoch

We are now moving on to the trans community stage of the election where both parties try to outdo each other in punching down.
 
You could just keep the bolded and many problems would be solved.

It takes more effort for a younger person to vote given the barriers applied...
  • Getting/keeping on the electoral roll in time for elections, given the propensity to regularily change address the younger you are.
  • Elections being held on a working days, reducing the window to get your vote in.
  • The new ID requirements which disproportionately affects younger voters (by design).
Giving them something to vote for might help motivating them to go to the extra effort required.

OAPs aren't more politically active. They just have nothing else to do and don't need to jump through as many hoops to vote.
 
It takes more effort for a younger person to vote given the barriers applied...
  • Getting/keeping on the electoral roll in time for elections, given the propensity to regularily change address the younger you are.
  • Elections being held on a working days, reducing the window to get your vote in.
  • The new ID requirements which disproportionately affects younger voters (by design).
Giving them something to vote for might help motivating them to go to the extra effort required.

OAPs aren't more politically active. They just have nothing else to do and don't need to jump through as many hoops to vote.

To me, this is just a bit of an excuse for young people.

I know, because I was one of those young people who sometimes didn't vote when I should have done in the past.

Signing up to the Electoral register takes all in all, 3-5 minutes online. It requires absolutely no effort.

The working days argument doesn't fly. Look at this chart:

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18-34 year olds have much lower turnout than 35-64 year olds.

The majority of both these age brackets are working full time. Many of the 18-24 age brackets are students. There is no reason why 55-64 year olds can reach around 80% but 18-24 can barely cross the 50% threshold.

Most democracies require voting ID.

France, Czech Republic, Finland, Brazil, Argentina, Germany (though there is some nuance here), Greece, Canada, Hungary, Iceland, India hands out photo ID's to everyone just for elections, Ireland, Israel, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, USA all require photo ID in order to vote.

Australia, and formerly the UK, seem to be the only major countries that do not require a form of photo ID upon voting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws

This gives a breakdown of each democracies rules around this.

This is definetely not the reason why young people don't vote here.
 
Whether it is rapists being housed in women’s prisons, or instances of men playing in women’s sports where they have an unfair advantage, it is clear that public authorities and regulatory bodies are confused about what uni the law says on sex and gender and when to act – often for fear of being accused of transphobia, or not being inclusive,” Badenoch said.
We're in a dark place getting darker.

It will be interesting to see if they try the same pernicious games with protests - as they no doubt want to, given the wide-spread and increasing disgust and outrage towards the endless Israeli atrocities.
 
I wonder when the Tories will announce plans to abolish inheritance tax. It's been obvious to me for over a year that this is going to be their rabbit out of the hat vote winning policy in this election. I suspect they're going to delay announcing it so those who think it will benefit them will have less time to understand that the thresholds are rather high and it's unlikely to have any effect on them.
 
Kemi Badenoch has said the Conservatives will change the Equality Act to rewrite the definition of sex and allow organisations to bar transgender women from single-sex spaces, including hospital wards and sports events.

The party will make clear that the protected characteristic of sex means biological sex, enabling those who wish to bar male-bodied people from organisations or activities to do so.

Badenoch said it would provide reassurance for services such as those aimed at domestic abuse victims.

“Whether it is rapists being housed in women’s prisons, or instances of men playing in women’s sports where they have an unfair advantage, it is clear that public authorities and regulatory bodies are confused about what uni the law says on sex and gender and when to act – often for fear of being accused of transphobia, or not being inclusive,” Badenoch said.

“That is why we are today pledging that, if we form a government after the election, we will clarify that sex in the law means biological sex and not new, redefined meanings of the word. The protection of women and girls’ spaces is too important to allow the confusion to continue.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-allow-bars-on-trans-women-says-kemi-badenoch

We are now moving on to the trans community stage of the election where both parties try to outdo each other in punching down.

Have Labour pledged anything similar to what Badenoch is threatening?
 
Have Labour pledged anything similar to what Badenoch is threatening?

There may be more to come but John Healey (defence shadow) said a change wasn't required this morning.

Here is The Guardian covering Healey's response:

Labour say Tories have had 14 year to amend Equalities Act and Badenoch announcement is 'a distraction from election campaign'
Labour has this morning dismissed the announcement by the Conservatives, saying there was no need to amend the Equalities Act.

Speaking on Times Radio, PA Media reports shadow defence secretary John Healey said:

We will not want to amend the Act, it’s not needed. It already provides a definition of a woman, and sex and gender are different.

What is needed is clearer guidance for service providers, from the NHS to sports bodies, and in prisons, on what single-sex exemptions need to be, and the best way to be able to do that is in guidance, not primary legislation.

The government has had 14 years to do that and it hasn’t. This, to be honest, is a distraction from the election campaign

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Correct as a matter of law and history (there is a thread for the wider debate so I won't add more here). I hope they don't slide on this position.

Labour are focusing strongly on defence today.
 
Thats possible. I think initially it will be more like banning protests. Half his new candidates are openly calling the gaza marches terrorists and 'pro hamas', he'll be under pressure to deal with it.

Even people who want those marches to stop should be concerned about that though, almost certain any new legislation will serverely restrict all protest, it won;t be something to cheer on for anybody.

is this really the top priority though? I could be wrong, but I can't see it.
 
Nigel Farage has posted to social media that he is making “an emergency general election announcement at 4pm today.”

Probably being announced as the Labour candidate for Middlesbrough.
 
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