General Election 2024

Who got your vote?

  • Labour

    Votes: 147 54.2%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 25 9.2%
  • Green

    Votes: 48 17.7%
  • Reform

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Independent

    Votes: 8 3.0%
  • UK resident but not voting

    Votes: 18 6.6%
  • Spoiled my ballot

    Votes: 3 1.1%

  • Total voters
    271
  • Poll closed .
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a single one of those tweets would be enough to suspend anyone else in the labour party. but not the head of 'we believe in israel'
in fact any candidate tweeting anything like this message would be suspended for anti-semitism.

Have you posted some tweets that aren't showing?
 
I very much hope you're right and salute your efforts. Only thing I'd quibble with is that it was Kinnock did most of the purging and modernising, and although he didn't gain office he laid much of the groundwork that enabled Blair to do so.


Very true. He doesn't get the credit he deserves for rejuvenating the party after the electorate totally and utterly repudiated Benn and his nutty ideas in 1983. Sadly Michael Foot, a great man, took most of the blame for it. I wish Denis Healy had been less combative and abrasive and got the leadership from Callaghan, as it would have been a very different election.
 
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It will be interesting to track the changes over the next month.
 
There will be some wailing and gnashing of teeth and some votes will be lost but I predict a new labour MP for Chingford will take their seat at the end of this.

Do you not think it could be a massive strategic blunder in that Faiza had an excellent chance of winning the seat and could now potentially stand as an independent?

Now, winning as an independent is extremely unlikely for her, but taking a significant chunk of otherwise Labour votes is very possible if she goes down that route.
 
If the old gang of New Labour politicians regenerated at their age in 1997 and were going up against the current politicians in the current election they would be polling at well over 60%

The government was massively tarnished by Iraq and the response to 7/7 but the country was so much better domestically
How much it was them being competent instead of the entire global economy(well West and east asia) undergoing a period of prosperity as a whole?
 
Very true. He doesn't get the credit he deserves for rejuvenating the party after the electorate totally and utterly repudiated Benn and his nutty ideas in 1983. Sadly Michael Foot, a great man, took most of the blame for it. I wish Denis Healy had been less combative and abrasive and got the leadership from Callaghan, as it would have been a very different election.
Denis Healy was the best leader we never had. Always the butt of cheap IMF jibes from people who don't have a clue about the chronology involved, but actually quite well thought of by economists when compared to others of the time.
 
Do you not think it could be a massive strategic blunder in that Faiza had an excellent chance of winning the seat and could now potentially stand as an independent?

Now, winning as an independent is extremely unlikely for her, but taking a significant chunk of otherwise Labour votes is very possible if she goes down that route.


I think she's been hard done by and was an excellent candidate. I found her bio very impressive and had my canvassing strategy all worked out for residents who were unsure of who to vote for. I think Labour have calculated that hate for IDS and the tories will outstrip any loyalty to Faiza. Unfortunately politics is a dirty, bruising business and she has learned a really harsh lesson here.
 
How much it was them being competent instead of the entire global economy(well West and east asia) undergoing a period of prosperity as a whole?

How much of that increased wealth would have been shared with the poor and spent on services if it was the Tories?

Every government has to have good fortune, but new Labour had talent as well as good luck
 
Denis Healy was the best leader we never had. Always the butt of cheap IMF jibes from people who don't have a clue about the chronology involved, but actually quite well thought of by economists when compared to others of the time.


Growing up all I knew was the mockery of the eyebrows, the 'silly-billy' stuff that Mike Yarwood et al did, but when you delve into the story of the man you see what a giant of politics he was. Sadly another victim of the 1970s labour civil war. Jim Callaghan is criminally underrated too.
 
How much of that increased wealth would have been shared with the poor and spent on services if it was the Tories?

Every government has to have good fortune, but new Labour had talent as well as good luck
I'm not british and consider the post 2010s conservative era to be an utter failure from an outsiders point of view but there certainly are similarities with say Clinton who didn't really do much in the grand scheme of things but keeping the status quo was more than enough for the time, Clinton spent his his last 6 years hamstring by a republican Congress so was more than content to keep it steady, although I would argue he failed to to capitalise on America's new found hegemony though he certainly didn't make the catastrophic mistakes that his successor would go on to make.

Back to topic, the new labor inherited a well adjusted country and by the time they bowed out it was perhaps already beginning it's path on the downward slope but again as much as the latter was out of their hands due to the 2008 crash then how much of the prosperity one could attribute to them?
 
Can't vouch for the cultural and social situation but economically at least you were absolutely doing just fine, decent gdp growth rate even compared to the other european top dogs, relatively low employment rate and a low inflation rate.
 
Can't vouch for the cultural and social situation but economically at least you were absolutely doing just fine, decent gdp growth rate even compared to the other european top dogs, relatively low employment rate and a low inflation rate.

If the measure of a country's performance is gdp growth I'm sure you'll think it was fine in 1997

Everything else was like it is now, only to a less egregious degree
 
Who's this guy then? Sounds like he would have made a decent party leader.
Shows the low standards of British journalism we currently have that no interviewer has simply repeating Starmer old tweets back to him.

It really is Boris levels of lying.
 
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It will be interesting to track the changes over the next month.

The main Tory job to make it a respectable loss is to basically win back Reform. Which seems doable. But at the same time, Labour's only job in 2019 was to win back Lib Dems, and that second referendum debacle didn't work even a bit.

e- just eyeballing this, it seems Labour's big transfer from Tories compared to 2019/2017 has been with middle-aged voters, while over-60 Tories have gone to UKIP.
 
If the measure of a country's performance is gdp growth I'm sure you'll think it was fine in 1997

Everything else was like it is now, only to a less egregious degree
Could you expound on that? In what ways was it similar to today's environment?

Just to be clear it's not a rethorical question, I'm genuinely curious.
 
Could you expound on that? In what ways was it similar to today's environment?

Just to be clear it's not a rethorical question, I'm genuinely curious.

Debt to GDP was shooting up, poverty was high, crime was high, politics was corrupt etc etc

It was a bleak time, but not as bleak as now
 
I’m simply taking the true centrist position of hating both the Tories or the Labour Party.


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So SHama tatler is taking Chingford and Woodford Green in place of Faiza.

Tatler is on the NEC disceplineray committee, so she disciplined a candidate and then took her job within 24 hours.

Absolute, open corruption.
 
Can't wait for the Labour canavassers to knock on my door, they are going to hear all about my views on Daddy Pig's tory lite views/actions.
 
On the other hand, the right has been great, people are thriving economically, no loonies whatsoever and they are very much open to other ways forward that are not their own religious belief in free market economics. They take care of everyone and never fool the electorate.

Far right are even worse they become fascists. Far left become communists and we know how great they all were.

I'm curious to know who these mental left wing politicians in power are. Care to name any?

None in power now that I can think of but Stalin and co were once in power... and they went mad with it.
 
Far right are even worse they become fascists. Far left become communists and we know how great they all were.



None in power now that I can think of but Stalin and co were once in power... and they went mad with it.

Stalin might have had pretenses to being left wing but in fact was about as right wing as you get with his regime being utterly totalitarian in nature.
 
Stalin might have had pretenses to being left wing but in fact was about as right wing as you get with his regime being utterly totalitarian in nature.

Are you saying totalitarian regimes cannot be left wing? Communism is far left and fascism is far right both had one ruling party, with no democracy whatsoever and both were utterly violent in the 20th century.
 
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