Dobba
Full Member
If he fails, he'll be in the Lords by the weekend after the election.That's him in Parliament for the next 40 years then.
If he fails, he'll be in the Lords by the weekend after the election.That's him in Parliament for the next 40 years then.
This whole "oh no, no we don't hate ms Abbott because she's black but because of her devious policies and uppity manner, besides I didn't even notice she was black, I don't see colour me, and really calling everyone you disagree with racist is actually more racist", is pretty crap.
It should be completely fecking obvious to anyone paying attention why race might and actually did/does play a role here. You only have to look at The Labour Party itself and the private communications between senior officials about Dianne and other non white candidates that presented “overt and underlying racism and sexism”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ed-still-not-engaging-hierarchy-racism-claims
Not to mention the frequent and severe abuse she receives day to day, that has been well documented.
You don't have to like her, it doesn't make you automatically racist to express that dislike and not every accusation of racism will be true but have a little curiosity and self awareness, yeah?
The Forde report: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/The-Forde-Report.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_work_of_the_Labour_Party's_Governance_and_Legal_Unit_in_relation_to_antisemitism,_2014–2019
If he fails, he'll be in the Lords by the weekend after the election.
Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle has been suspended by the Labour Party over a complaint about his behaviour.
The MP for Brighton Kemptown has been told by the party he will not be eligible to be a candidate at 4 July's election.
He told BBC South East he believes it is a “vexatious and politically motivated complaint” about his behaviour eight years ago.
He says he will cooperate with the investigation process to clear his name, adding “I believe I will be fully exonerated”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5114q1x09eo
Why can't we acknowledge that she's been subject to lots of racial abuse and prejudice in her life/career whilst also accepting that she isn't a great person, has very disturbing views and is better off not being a representative of the Labour party?
How does race/role play a factor in her disgusting comments on Ukraine? Or her views towards Mao/Stalin?
"Ah yeah she thinks my homeland should be invaded by the Russian's and that the world should do nothing but stand aside and let it happen, but that's okay she's suffered a lot of racial abuse and prejudice in her life," is not a stance I am willing to take, sorry.
Do you feel like US foreign policy has otherwise been stellar?I wouldn't go as far as this but, Corbyn and Sanders had similar problems, but different in execution.
Corbyn's economic policies were actually pretty sound, until you then get to his worldview and foreign policy. Things like blaming the West for everything, being anti-Nato, being anti-Nuclear weapons, it's literally bad to the point of sabotage. Then you have all the associations with some genuine loonies.
What really made me not like Sanders were similar - naive foreign policy. I can give you examples in the area which I can comment on the most - his defense policies.
1. I do not know what reality Bernie Sanders lives in, but defense spending too high and out of control? Jesus, Western militaries are so underfunded it's actually causing huge problems to all the branches. There just isn't enough money being bought into branches and right now we are seeing cracks due to the long term abandonment of investment. The US defense budget is at historical lows, there have only been 5 years where it has been lower - 1997-2002, since 1939.
2. Iraq, yes. I do not see how the other three are ultimately relevant in today's world, other than you could argue we wouldn't have an Islamic government in Iran if 53 didn't happen.
3. It already does.
4. He rules out using military force to protect American energy trade routes...
5. This was popular at the time and it is now seen as a mistake.
6. Defense contracts have almost 0 influence on US foreign policy. This is twitter conspiracy theories he is buying into. There have been multiple independent audits into the Pentagon.
7. This is a valid point and something I agree with.
8. This too.
9. This too.
10. I don't feel strongly either way.
See, Sanders is the perfect example of why it's hard to get behind him. His economic policies are fantastic, then you get to his defense policies and foreign policies and you just think he hasn't got a clue.
How are such a high % of MP's able to have such skeletons in their closet.
Of the hundreds of friends and acquaintances I've had in the past two decades of my life, like 1 or 2 ended up being a wrong'un or doing something seriously fecked up.
Yet out of 650 MP's, there are so many of them with a pitted past.
Do you feel like US foreign policy has otherwise been stellar?
Still no updates on Labour tracking down the 'shaking off the fleas' source. In completely unrelated news...
Russell-Moyle is on the left of the party, has been a councillor and stood as an MP (and was vetted) in 2015, 2017 and 2019. People in the local party have been trying to undermine him for years. This timing is... let's just say a nice coincidence for those who want to nominate three candidates on the right of the party for the three seats in Brighton.
That's him in Parliament for the next 40 years then.
He's being replaced by Bella Sankey.
She has been starmer's friend for over 20 years.
I'll bet my bottom dollar that she's cleverer than you.
Are you talking about previous election results? Because if you are I think it's a bit disingenuous to use a very skewed FPTP system as proof the public is centre right.
I'm also sure recent polls have shown a majority of the British public tends to actually support left wing policies, just as long as they aren't actually told they're left wing.
Why can't we acknowledge that she's been subject to lots of racial abuse and prejudice in her life/career whilst also accepting that she isn't a great person, has very disturbing views and is better off not being a representative of the Labour party?
How does race/role play a factor in her disgusting comments on Ukraine? Or her views towards Mao/Stalin?
"Ah yeah she thinks my homeland should be invaded by the Russian's and that the world should do nothing but stand aside and let it happen, but that's okay she's suffered a lot of racial abuse and prejudice in her life," is not a stance I am willing to take, sorry.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/29/diane-abbott-hackney-mp-long-as-possibleThe deal appeared to collapse after an unknown Labour source briefed journalists that Abbott would nonetheless be barred from standing again in her Hackney North and Stoke Newington constituency, prompting fury from her allies at her treatment.
I feel like my complete bemusement has been fully vindicated - go me. The various news media of all colours are now unravelling what looks to have been a plot to off Abbott and they all seem pretty fecking annoyed by the way Starmer's team have tried to play them. It remains to be seen how this finally settles but this isn't going away quitely. Here is just one (far from lefty) outlet breaking it down in a way that makes Starmer look repugnant and stupid:Starmer hoped to kick the issue down the road...
Tell me the Labour Party isn't controlled by the zionist lobby the day they deselect a Muslim candidate who is widely supported ,who liked one tweet, versus giving the actual israeli paid lobbyist, who's tweeted actual racist stuff and even now defends anything the israelis do, a safe seat 200 miles away from where he lives. Oh and these decisions are made by the NEC, of which he's a member.
I feel like my complete bemusement has been fully vindicated - go me. The various news media of all colours are now unravelling what looks to have been a plot to off Abbott and they all seem pretty fecking annoyed by the way Starmer's team have tried to play them. It remains to be seen how this finally settles but this isn't going away quitely. Here is just one (far from lefty) outlet breaking it down in a way that makes Starmer look repugnant and stupid:
The problem isn't that people don't want to vote for left wing politicians economically...it's that many of the left wing politicians have some very...esoteric world views that the average person cannot get behind.
Nobody cares. The only people interested in the details of how this unfolded are the staunch Labour and Conservative followers who already know how they're voting for the next 50 years. The average public just know she's bad news and the more they see of her, the less likely they are to vote for whoever is associated with her. It's already virtually gone from the major news channels.
I see your Diane Abbott and raise you a Liz Truss...
Nobody has done more to swing the vote to Labour than this thick as pigshit, morally vacuous grifter.
Labour's candidate for North Durham.Labour's candidate for Tel Aviv