General Election 2024

Who got your vote?

  • Labour

    Votes: 147 54.2%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 25 9.2%
  • Green

    Votes: 48 17.7%
  • Reform

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Independent

    Votes: 8 3.0%
  • UK resident but not voting

    Votes: 18 6.6%
  • Spoiled my ballot

    Votes: 3 1.1%

  • Total voters
    271
  • Poll closed .
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This whole "oh no, no we don't hate ms Abbott because she's black but because of her devious policies and uppity manner, besides I didn't even notice she was black, I don't see colour me, and really calling everyone you disagree with racist is actually more racist", is pretty crap.

It should be completely fecking obvious to anyone paying attention why race might and actually did/does play a role here. You only have to look at The Labour Party itself and the private communications between senior officials about Dianne and other non white candidates that presented “overt and underlying racism and sexism”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ed-still-not-engaging-hierarchy-racism-claims

Not to mention the frequent and severe abuse she receives day to day, that has been well documented.

You don't have to like her, it doesn't make you automatically racist to express that dislike and not every accusation of racism will be true but have a little curiosity and self awareness, yeah?

The Forde report: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/The-Forde-Report.pdf

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The...al_Unit_in_relation_to_antisemitism,_2014–2019
 
This whole "oh no, no we don't hate ms Abbott because she's black but because of her devious policies and uppity manner, besides I didn't even notice she was black, I don't see colour me, and really calling everyone you disagree with racist is actually more racist", is pretty crap.

It should be completely fecking obvious to anyone paying attention why race might and actually did/does play a role here. You only have to look at The Labour Party itself and the private communications between senior officials about Dianne and other non white candidates that presented “overt and underlying racism and sexism”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ed-still-not-engaging-hierarchy-racism-claims

Not to mention the frequent and severe abuse she receives day to day, that has been well documented.

You don't have to like her, it doesn't make you automatically racist to express that dislike and not every accusation of racism will be true but have a little curiosity and self awareness, yeah?

The Forde report: https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/The-Forde-Report.pdf

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_work_of_the_Labour_Party's_Governance_and_Legal_Unit_in_relation_to_antisemitism,_2014–2019

Why can't we acknowledge that she's been subject to lots of racial abuse and prejudice in her life/career whilst also accepting that she isn't a great person, has very disturbing views and is better off not being a representative of the Labour party?

How does race/role play a factor in her disgusting comments on Ukraine? Or her views towards Mao/Stalin?

"Ah yeah she thinks my homeland should be invaded by the Russian's and that the world should do nothing but stand aside and let it happen, but that's okay she's suffered a lot of racial abuse and prejudice in her life," is not a stance I am willing to take, sorry.
 
If he fails, he'll be in the Lords by the weekend after the election.

Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle has been suspended by the Labour Party over a complaint about his behaviour.

The MP for Brighton Kemptown has been told by the party he will not be eligible to be a candidate at 4 July's election.

He told BBC South East he believes it is a “vexatious and politically motivated complaint” about his behaviour eight years ago.

He says he will cooperate with the investigation process to clear his name, adding “I believe I will be fully exonerated”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5114q1x09eo
 
Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle has been suspended by the Labour Party over a complaint about his behaviour.

The MP for Brighton Kemptown has been told by the party he will not be eligible to be a candidate at 4 July's election.

He told BBC South East he believes it is a “vexatious and politically motivated complaint” about his behaviour eight years ago.

He says he will cooperate with the investigation process to clear his name, adding “I believe I will be fully exonerated”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5114q1x09eo

How are such a high % of MP's able to have such skeletons in their closet.

Of the hundreds of friends and acquaintances I've had in the past two decades of my life, like 1 or 2 ended up being a wrong'un or doing something seriously fecked up.

Yet out of 650 MP's, there are so many of them with a pitted past.
 
Why can't we acknowledge that she's been subject to lots of racial abuse and prejudice in her life/career whilst also accepting that she isn't a great person, has very disturbing views and is better off not being a representative of the Labour party?

How does race/role play a factor in her disgusting comments on Ukraine? Or her views towards Mao/Stalin?

"Ah yeah she thinks my homeland should be invaded by the Russian's and that the world should do nothing but stand aside and let it happen, but that's okay she's suffered a lot of racial abuse and prejudice in her life," is not a stance I am willing to take, sorry.

Exactly this.
 
I wouldn't go as far as this but, Corbyn and Sanders had similar problems, but different in execution.

Corbyn's economic policies were actually pretty sound, until you then get to his worldview and foreign policy. Things like blaming the West for everything, being anti-Nato, being anti-Nuclear weapons, it's literally bad to the point of sabotage. Then you have all the associations with some genuine loonies.

What really made me not like Sanders were similar - naive foreign policy. I can give you examples in the area which I can comment on the most - his defense policies.



1. I do not know what reality Bernie Sanders lives in, but defense spending too high and out of control? Jesus, Western militaries are so underfunded it's actually causing huge problems to all the branches. There just isn't enough money being bought into branches and right now we are seeing cracks due to the long term abandonment of investment. The US defense budget is at historical lows, there have only been 5 years where it has been lower - 1997-2002, since 1939.

2. Iraq, yes. I do not see how the other three are ultimately relevant in today's world, other than you could argue we wouldn't have an Islamic government in Iran if 53 didn't happen.

3. It already does.

4. He rules out using military force to protect American energy trade routes...

5. This was popular at the time and it is now seen as a mistake.

6. Defense contracts have almost 0 influence on US foreign policy. This is twitter conspiracy theories he is buying into. There have been multiple independent audits into the Pentagon.

7. This is a valid point and something I agree with.

8. This too.

9. This too.

10. I don't feel strongly either way.


See, Sanders is the perfect example of why it's hard to get behind him. His economic policies are fantastic, then you get to his defense policies and foreign policies and you just think he hasn't got a clue.
Do you feel like US foreign policy has otherwise been stellar?
 
How are such a high % of MP's able to have such skeletons in their closet.

Of the hundreds of friends and acquaintances I've had in the past two decades of my life, like 1 or 2 ended up being a wrong'un or doing something seriously fecked up.

Yet out of 650 MP's, there are so many of them with a pitted past.

Russell-Moyle is on the left of the party, has been a councillor and stood as an MP (and was vetted) in 2015, 2017 and 2019. People in the local party have been trying to undermine him for years. This timing is... let's just say a nice coincidence for those who want to nominate three candidates on the right of the party for the three seats in Brighton.
 
Do you feel like US foreign policy has otherwise been stellar?

no it’s been awful since the Cold War

but Bernie’s doesn’t make it better, it just moves the problem away from one thing to another
 
Russell-Moyle is on the left of the party, has been a councillor and stood as an MP (and was vetted) in 2015, 2017 and 2019. People in the local party have been trying to undermine him for years. This timing is... let's just say a nice coincidence for those who want to nominate three candidates on the right of the party for the three seats in Brighton.

He's being replaced by Bella Sankey.

She has been starmer's friend for over 20 years.
 
That's him in Parliament for the next 40 years then.

Wouldn't bet on it.

Of all the people I have met in my life, from multimillionaire tories to poor sods at food banks, and one convicted murderer, luke akehurst is the most unpleasant, dislikable human being I have ever dealt with.
 
Three-person panels made up of national executive committee members are handling the selection of about 20 final Labour candidates this week, with a fast-tracked process to prepare for the general election, but little say for local parties or activists.

On Wednesday night key selection choices included:

  • The leading Labour First and Labour to Win activist Luke Akehurst, also a member of Labour’s national executive committee and a strong Starmer supporter, has been unveiled as candidate for North Durham.
  • Josh Simons, director of the fast-growing Starmerite think tank Labour Together, was handed the Makerfield seat.
  • Former Rachel Reeves adviser Heather Iqbal was selected in Dewsbury and Batley.
  • The journalist Paul Waugh has also just been picked in Rochdale at his second attempt on Wednesday night, after missing out when Azhar Ali was picked before Labour’s humiliating by-election defeat.
  • Camden council leader Georgia Gould, also chair of London Councils, was picked to stand in Maida Vale.
  • Sonia Kumar, who works in the NHS, has been unveiled as Labour candidate for key target seat Dudley, where Labour launched its local election campaign.
  • Calvin Bailey, who works in the RAF, was announced as candidate in the Labour-held London seat Leyton and Wanstead after John Cryer stood down this week as MP.
  • Connor Rand, a former Labour organiser and senior researcher at shopworkers’ union Usdaw, is the new Altrincham and Sale candidate, after the previous candidate recently stood down.
One observer on social media called it a “big night of parachutes”.

https://labourlist.org/2024/05/brighton-labour-mp-lloyd-russell-moyle-suspended-allegation/
 
I'll bet my bottom dollar that she's cleverer than you.

Maybe she is, her 2.2 in history would be tough to beat, but then im not trying to run the country am I?
 
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Like seb payne for the tories, I cannot overstate how bad this is for democracy that we have a political and media class that are so interchangable.

To be a candidate he must have been a member of Labour for a minimum of 12 months. He has been writing about politics in national papers, and the BBC, during that time, without ever mentioning it.
 
Are you talking about previous election results? Because if you are I think it's a bit disingenuous to use a very skewed FPTP system as proof the public is centre right.

I'm also sure recent polls have shown a majority of the British public tends to actually support left wing policies, just as long as they aren't actually told they're left wing.

We've had one Labour government in 50 years and they made such an impression its taken 14 years of total shit to erase the memory enough to (probably) vote in another one.

I think most people support both centre left and centre right policies but when governments let the odd extreme idea slip through, the left wing ones are much more unpalatable to the public.
 
Me right now: on Labour

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Seriously, what the feck. A political party is a broad church, it's okay to have some lefties and some centrists and some center-right guys.
 
Tell me the Labour Party isn't controlled by the zionist lobby the day they deselect a Muslim candidate who is widely supported ,who liked one tweet, versus giving the actual israeli paid lobbyist, who's tweeted actual racist stuff and even now defends anything the israelis do, a safe seat 200 miles away from where he lives. Oh and these decisions are made by the NEC, of which he's a member.
 
Why can't we acknowledge that she's been subject to lots of racial abuse and prejudice in her life/career whilst also accepting that she isn't a great person, has very disturbing views and is better off not being a representative of the Labour party?

How does race/role play a factor in her disgusting comments on Ukraine? Or her views towards Mao/Stalin?

"Ah yeah she thinks my homeland should be invaded by the Russian's and that the world should do nothing but stand aside and let it happen, but that's okay she's suffered a lot of racial abuse and prejudice in her life," is not a stance I am willing to take, sorry.

When I go back in my memory to the first time I really started to dislike her it was the private school issue.

She went out of her way to attack Labour MPs/ Cabinet ministers for sending their kids to private schools. She said it undermined their commitment to state schools and Labour's position on them, she personalized the issue with an attack on Blair and Harmon and from memory Jack Cunningham.

OK, she might have had a point but I don't like personal attacks generally unless you can show a direct read across, collusion or corruption angle but so be it.

Then she sends her own son to private school.

Now the next words out of her mouth if she was a decent person, should be something like , I am sorry and apologies to the people I attacked and I now understand blah blah blah best thing for my kid etc etc.

I would have retained some respect for her if she had but that wasn't what she did.

She instead said the following,


'West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children.'

Miss Abbott also risked fury among her white colleagues in the Labour Party by saying "they would 'never understand' the Afro-Caribbean culture of parents wanting to do the best for their children."

Sexist and racist and career ending for anyone else.


Move forward to the huge anti Semitic shit fest which engulfed the Labour party and Corbyn and helped to worsen their electoral defeat and then she says,

" Jewish, Irish and Traveller people do not face racism "

At this point how do you defend that and claim to be anything other than a racist apologist.

And then there is the car crash interview as shadow home secretary .



I advise everyone who wants to defend her to watch this and understand the exasperation about her.


Every vote the Labour Party loses on Diane they gain twice as many from normal people who think she should have been permanently banned,
 
The deal appeared to collapse after an unknown Labour source briefed journalists that Abbott would nonetheless be barred from standing again in her Hackney North and Stoke Newington constituency, prompting fury from her allies at her treatment.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/29/diane-abbott-hackney-mp-long-as-possible

I don't know what to believe now but if these shady machinations were an attempt to remove Diane Abbott but somehow the "horrible", "incompetent", "idiot" "cnut" Abbott has outwitted Starmer, so that he is now not only lumbered with a thorny left winger MP he tried to double cross but also the media are pissed off and now gunning for him, then it is perfectly fitting.

Starmer deserves all this for his ongoing duplicity.
 
Starmer hoped to kick the issue down the road...
I feel like my complete bemusement has been fully vindicated - go me. The various news media of all colours are now unravelling what looks to have been a plot to off Abbott and they all seem pretty fecking annoyed by the way Starmer's team have tried to play them. It remains to be seen how this finally settles but this isn't going away quitely. Here is just one (far from lefty) outlet breaking it down in a way that makes Starmer look repugnant and stupid:

 
Tell me the Labour Party isn't controlled by the zionist lobby the day they deselect a Muslim candidate who is widely supported ,who liked one tweet, versus giving the actual israeli paid lobbyist, who's tweeted actual racist stuff and even now defends anything the israelis do, a safe seat 200 miles away from where he lives. Oh and these decisions are made by the NEC, of which he's a member.

Not just a member, akehurst was actually on the candidate selection comittee that chose him as a candidate.

Starmer has had him running selections across the country, notably he oversaw who got to be candidates in Liverpool.
 
I feel like my complete bemusement has been fully vindicated - go me. The various news media of all colours are now unravelling what looks to have been a plot to off Abbott and they all seem pretty fecking annoyed by the way Starmer's team have tried to play them. It remains to be seen how this finally settles but this isn't going away quitely. Here is just one (far from lefty) outlet breaking it down in a way that makes Starmer look repugnant and stupid:



Nobody cares. The only people interested in the details of how this unfolded are the staunch Labour and Conservative followers who already know how they're voting for the next 50 years. The average public just know she's bad news and the more they see of her, the less likely they are to vote for whoever is associated with her. It's already virtually gone from the major news channels.
 
The problem isn't that people don't want to vote for left wing politicians economically...it's that many of the left wing politicians have some very...esoteric world views that the average person cannot get behind.

The preaching of 'International Socialism' (almost as a religion) ....it plagued Corbyn's career (and others) and gave the impression that the spread of socialism around the world was his real first interest, and that establishing a socialist outlook specific to Britain's history and peoples, came a very distance second.
 
Nobody cares. The only people interested in the details of how this unfolded are the staunch Labour and Conservative followers who already know how they're voting for the next 50 years. The average public just know she's bad news and the more they see of her, the less likely they are to vote for whoever is associated with her. It's already virtually gone from the major news channels.


This is the key point. Starmer knows what he's against, and the disadvantages of looking to please people who buy the controvery by the truckload like Sweet Square and Dobba, heavily outweight the advantages. Let's not forget what happened in the media when labour was accused of systemic antisemitism a few years ago.
 
I see your Diane Abbott and raise you a Liz Truss...



Nobody has done more to swing the vote to Labour than this thick as pigshit, morally vacuous grifter.
 
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