General Election 2024

Who got your vote?

  • Labour

    Votes: 147 54.2%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 25 9.2%

  • Green

    Votes: 48 17.7%

  • Reform

    Votes: 11 4.1%

  • SNP

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Independent

    Votes: 8 3.0%

  • UK resident but not voting

    Votes: 18 6.6%

  • Spoiled my ballot

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Total voters
    271
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noodlehair said:
However you dress it up the massive swing is primarily due to the sheer incompetence and blatant corruption of The Tories, which is quite remakeable really.

The best policy for Starmer almost was to do nothing at all because voters were being pushed to Labour anyway so why risk doing or saying anything that might deter them elsewhere. Didn't really have to worry about combating the tories attempt to halt the landslide when one of their main pitches was forcing everyone's kids to join the army.

Also suggesting reform is the reason Labour won is dumb. Firstly quite a lot of the reform voting mob (as you can easily tell by where they performed stronger) are the working class foreign hating lot. A large proportion of who would not have been voting tory because from their perspective everything since brexit has been a car crash. Secondly elections are tactical and every party would have had some idea of voting patterns. If Reform weren't there Labour would have targeted the demographic they took up. It's probably given Labour a bigger majority by splitting some of the tory vote but to suggest its why they won after the mess of the last 5 years is dumb.
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Unfortunately those Reform scumbags are the reason Labour lost in my constituency. They had nearly 10k votes, and worse still I know a whole bunch of those (my fiancées thick as feck family). We are left with one of the most odious and scum tories of the lot, who ironically they all hate.

Thick cnuts.
 
Fully Fledged said:
So the share of the vote is up only 2% on 2019 and the vote share is down. Did they get any more votes than 2019? I voted Labour but they need to look at what has happened. This is the Tory vote imploding not urning up not Labour having a massive uptick.
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Currently looking at half a million fewer votes for them than in 2019 - the election we all know was an absolute disaster for them.
 
Fully Fledged said:
So the share of the vote is up only 2% on 2019 and the vote share is down. Did they get any more votes than 2019? I voted Labour but they need to look at what has happened. This is the Tory vote imploding not urning up not Labour having a massive uptick.
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Obviously enthusiasm was low but also more tactical voting, so highly efficient vote. It was expected
 
Only just bothered to look at my constituency. Just assumed Labour would have won it (slim Tory majority last time). Still Tory. Sigh.
 
For me the fact that Labour has had such a victory on a relative low (for GE) turnout, is amazing in itself.
Starmer has rode the " let's ditch the Torys wave" , has kept his nerve, now all the hard work comes.
To move the dial in favour of working folk will be hard graft and need a strong constitution, for me he has to keep the Unions onside, not only for economic growth, but also to avoid giving the fleeing Tories a rallying point.
To put one foot in front of the other and move relentlessly ( if initially slowly) forward, is now the order of the day.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Anyone nitpicking Labour's performance has lost all perspective. No one would have believed it was remotely possible for Labour to win in a landslide back in 2019 after the Corbyn disaster. It's a stunning turnaround in five years.

I hope the party can deliver in office. It won't be easy.
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Yeah that puts it into perspective for me. I remember thinking after the 2019 result that we might never see a Labour government again for another 15 years or so. Never would've thought in a million years we would see a Labour landslide victory in the very next election.
 
Pexbo said:
The point is that Labour have literally only won because of the emergence of Reform. The majority they have won is indicative of how preposterous FPTP is and if you look at voting percentages around the country and compare only that, which is a much clearer indication of public sentiment and public support and they are show to be woefully lacking.
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You could just as easily argue that the existence of the Lib Dems is the only reason they don't have a majority of 200+. We're just used to the left wing being split and the right wing not, but in reality Labour have been hamstrung like that the longest time and the Tories rarely have been.

As for the vote share, I do think its something for Starmer to be very wary of. However its not so much a reflection on him or on Labour, its more about the challenge of the political landscape. We're entering a period of politics where we have a genuine plurality of parties. The Lib Dems finally look detoxified. The Greens are benefitting from general anxiety around climate change and net zero. Reform are leaning hard into the nastier elements of populist right wing thought. All three just had their best ever election.

I don't see these parties disappearing overnight, and I don't think there's a way for any party to meaningfully eat into both Lib Dem and Reform votes at the same time. So for Labour (or the Tories) to go way to the left or right isn't going to work. FPTP already punishes inefficient vote spread, which is what did for Corbyn. He appealed strongly to a narrow range of viewpoints, and not at all to every one else, so he piled up tonnes of votes in similar constituencies and lost everywhere else.

I think what this election shows is that a) the centre ground remains the only way you can win an election under our electoral system but b) the centre ground is smaller than it ever has been. That's the challenge for Labour to navigate over the next Parliament . But I don't think it’s a reflection of him personally or Labour's policy platform. I think it’s more a reflection of the diverse and divisive viewpoints that make up the country right now.
 
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NotThatSoph said:
Lib Dem's performance, in vote share, is similar to 2019: 11.6 to "around 12". So, maybe a 1 % share increase, and marginally fewer total votes. If a lot of Labour voters voted Lib Dem tactically, then the Lib Dems have been hemorrhaging votes elsewhere. Or, more likely, tactical voting went both ways as always, and had a normal result which is going to give them more seats because of the Story collapse.

The comparatively strong result of the Green Party is stronger evidence, I think. It's likely that you'll find a bunch of disgruntled Labour voters there, who have been replaced by people who wouldn't vote for Corbyn in 19.
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I think it is likely that a lot of left wing Labour vote went to Green or stayed at home, while Labour got lots of centrist and some center-right Tory vote, plus centrist Labour vote who wouldn’t vote for Corbin.

So, it is the same share of vote but IMO a very different distribution. I think if Labour run as a very left wing party (as did the last two times around), they would have got around the same number of votes, but far fewer seats. And the right wing vote would not have gone from Tories to reform.

At this stage though, it is all hypothetical. What is true though is that Labour run a very disciplined centrist campaign and got the largest win in 3 decades, so they should run a centrist government as promised. Furthermore, parties usually change their alignment after defeats, not large victories, so I do not think that there is much chance in Labour going to the left in short to midterm. Music to my ears, but can understand why lots are unhappy.
 
Workers Party cnuts continuing their crap right to the end. Losers.


Jess Phillips faces down hecklers after campaign 'violence', police calls and slashed tyres
Labour's Jess Phillips faced down hecklers as she was re-elected in Birmingham Yardley after what she says was "the worst campaign I have ever stood in".
West Midlands Police had to take "constant phone calls" from the MP over the last day due to "aggression that we have suffered", the former shadow minister said.
Ms Phillips, who edged a victory by 693 votes, said the level of "violence in our democracy" led her to ask the family of murdered Labour MP Jo Cox not to join her on the campaign trail yesterday, adding a young female activist's tyres were slashed.
Amid boos and chanting from what appeared to be mostly male voices in the crowd, she said: "I see we're going to continue with the class that we had during the campaign.
"I understand that a strong woman standing up to you is met with such reticence."
She asked for the protesters to be thrown out when she was interrupted for a fifth time, with shouts of "Jody" and "shame on you".
Jody McIntyre, who stood for George Galloway's Workers Party of Britain, came a close second.
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https://news.sky.com/story/election...y-reform-lib-dem-latest-news-12593360#7923092
 
Aren't Labour just Tory Light?

Which of the parties in the poll above represent the sexy socialists?
 
Drainy said:
Obviously enthusiasm was low but also more tactical voting, so highly efficient vote. It was expected
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As someone pointed out, up-thread, the low turnout could largely be explained by the election being seen as a foregone conclusion. Labour had basically done what they set out to do before the election started. Which is quite an achievement in itself. Seems weird to be sweating about vote share when Labour had proved themselves as overwhelming favourites before a vote was cast. The result just confirms their status.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Green investment in the UK actually isn't so bad. Change the planning laws to allow onshore wind, and it'll grow even further. Either way, the future of the climate largely rests in the hands of China, America and India. But we should still do our bit.

I agree that infrastructure needs additional capital spending, and should be treated differently to day-to-day government finances and public services. But there really isn't much more money available for public services, at least if you want to keep tax receipts and public borrowing in their historically normal range — it will rely on achieving higher economic growth if we want the public sector to have more money to spend.
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Speaking as someone who works in the industry, green investment is terrible. It's not so bad with the stuff that is already cost competitive like wind and solar, but we need a whole bunch of stuff where either the technology isn't there yet or there aren't the right skilled people to do it (think heat pump installers). EV charging infrastructure needs to get a lot better so we need regulatory alignment, investment and skills training for that, our hydrogen strategy is a mess, the grid needs massive investment as it takes far too long to grid connect new projects, oil and gas companies are still largely just greenwashing, we need agriculture plans, subsidies for good sustainable forestry and farming practices etc etc...

We're so far behind where we need to be on so many things and waffling on about private capital, who want returns within 2 or 3 years even on technology that doesn't exist yet, just doesn't cut it even a little bit. British pension funds invest about 5 times less as a percentage into British shares as US firms do into US ones, and it used to be about the same percentage wise only a couple of decades ago. We need to think long and hard about why that is.
 
TwoSheds said:
Speaking as someone who works in the industry, green investment is terrible. It's not so bad with the stuff that is already cost competitive like wind and solar, but we need a whole bunch of stuff where either the technology isn't there yet or there aren't the right skilled people to do it (think heat pump installers). EV charging infrastructure needs to get a lot better so we need regulatory alignment, investment and skills training for that, our hydrogen strategy is a mess, the grid needs massive investment as it takes far too long to grid connect new projects, oil and gas companies are still largely just greenwashing, we need agriculture plans, subsidies for good sustainable forestry and farming practices etc etc...

We're so far behind where we need to be on so many things and waffling on about private capital, who want returns within 2 or 3 years even on technology that doesn't exist yet, just doesn't cut it even a little bit. British pension funds invest about 5 times less as a percentage into British shares as US firms do into US ones, and it used to be about the same percentage wise only a couple of decades ago. We need to think long and hard about why that is.
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Because the US stock market is far more profitable?
 
TwoSheds said:
Speaking as someone who works in the industry, green investment is terrible. It's not so bad with the stuff that is already cost competitive like wind and solar, but we need a whole bunch of stuff where either the technology isn't there yet or there aren't the right skilled people to do it (think heat pump installers). EV charging infrastructure needs to get a lot better so we need regulatory alignment, investment and skills training for that, our hydrogen strategy is a mess, the grid needs massive investment as it takes far too long to grid connect new projects, oil and gas companies are still largely just greenwashing, we need agriculture plans, subsidies for good sustainable forestry and farming practices etc etc...

We're so far behind where we need to be on so many things and waffling on about private capital, who want returns within 2 or 3 years even on technology that doesn't exist yet, just doesn't cut it even a little bit. British pension funds invest about 5 times less as a percentage into British shares as US firms do into US ones, and it used to be about the same percentage wise only a couple of decades ago. We need to think long and hard about why that is.
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What's your take on GB Energy?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
As someone pointed out, up-thread, the low turnout could largely be explained by the election being seen as a foregone conclusion. Labour had basically done what they set out to do before the election started. Which is quite an achievement in itself. Seems weird to be sweating about vote share when Labour had proved themselves as overwhelming favourites before a vote was cast. The result just confirms their status.
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They should still review the impact of voter ID laws and investigate claims that postal ballots weren't sent out in some regions, but yes that also would make sense, plus Starmer not offending the moderate Tory is not motivating to them to get out and vote since they don't care.

They do now need to establish themselves and earn the second term
 
In darlington, the labour candidate got 0.3% higher vote share than in 2019 and won the seat. tories and reform came second and third.

Perhaps more than any government in history, what labour does in these first 12 to 18 months will be absolutely crucial to avoid a reform-tory coalition dominating future politics.
 
I'm already sick to death of Labour and the media talking about the mandate they have earned. They fluked a massive majority due to an undemocratic voting system. Nothing more. They've earned very little.
 
TwoSheds said:
Speaking as someone who works in the industry, green investment is terrible. It's not so bad with the stuff that is already cost competitive like wind and solar, but we need a whole bunch of stuff where either the technology isn't there yet or there aren't the right skilled people to do it (think heat pump installers). EV charging infrastructure needs to get a lot better so we need regulatory alignment, investment and skills training for that, our hydrogen strategy is a mess, the grid needs massive investment as it takes far too long to grid connect new projects, oil and gas companies are still largely just greenwashing, we need agriculture plans, subsidies for good sustainable forestry and farming practices etc etc...
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Fair point. I was mostly thinking of wind and solar installations.

TwoSheds said:
We're so far behind where we need to be on so many things and waffling on about private capital, who want returns within 2 or 3 years even on technology that doesn't exist yet, just doesn't cut it even a little bit. British pension funds invest about 5 times less as a percentage into British shares as US firms do into US ones, and it used to be about the same percentage wise only a couple of decades ago. We need to think long and hard about why that is.
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The change in asset allocation of British (defined benefit) pension funds was largely as a result of legislation. Successive governments reacted to various pension scheme failures by forcing them to take a risk-off approach and aim to match liabilities and assets, primarily using gilts and abandoning equities. In one big sense, it worked — DB pensions are now on a much more stable footing and able to pay retirees the benefits they were promised. In fact, the rise in interest rates over the last couple of years has resulted in a record surplus as the present-value of their liabilites fell: https://www.pensionsage.com/pa/FTSE-350-db-funding-surplus-reaches-record-high-in-May.php

Definite contribution pensions are a different matter, and tend to be allocated more in line with global market cap. i.e. they invest more in the US market vs the UK because the US accounts for around 60% of global stock markets, whereas the UK is just 4%.

Whether that's what we want our pensions invested in from a public policy perspective is another question. Personally, I think pension schemes should be run for the benefit of their members rather than as a slush fund for government-approved projects.
 
For the first time in my life the seat I live in has switched. I've always lived in a Labour safe seat and I moved after the last election to a seat that went Tory last time.

Glad to have assisted in ousting someone associated with a church that does gay conversation therapy. feck her
 
Ekkie Thump said:
What's your take on GB Energy?
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I don't fully understand how it's supposed to work but having some direct state investment and support in small firms would be a good thing. Accelerator programmes can make a lot of money for private firms and, if they had more of a long term commitment than the VCs, the state could potentially do even better out of it in the long run. Plus of course, the state's investment comes back to them directly as well when workers are paid, goods are bought etc through taxation.

If they are actually trying to operate wind farms though, I really don't see the point. The state needs to intervene where private capital won't and isn't doing, not where it is working ok because the industry is already cost competitive.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Only one of these men is capable of winning a general election. Guess who?
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Yes indeed, I agree with you, the ones who are ready to support killing/starving children all over the world are the ones who can be PMs. Sir Kid Starver joins the list with his idol Blair. People with morality can not be leaders in the UK.
 
711 said:
Very busy just now at my polling station, with a lot more young people than usual. I had been expecting a low turn out but after seeing that I've switched to high, just locally at any rate.
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Turnout in Preston 51%, definitely low. Looks like it might have been high at my particular polling station, in an extremely multicultural area, as an independent candidate got 8,700 votes overall, a former Socialist Worker and pro-Palestine. I hadn't really noticed him as a candidate and voted Labour, who won with 14000.
 
Drainy said:
They should still review the impact of voter ID laws and investigate claims that postal ballots weren't sent out in some regions, but yes that also would make sense, plus Starmer not offending the moderate Tory is not motivating to them to get out and vote since they don't care.

They do now need to establish themselves and earn the second term
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Agreed. 174 majority is massive and means that Starmer now has an enormous amount of power, the kind of power one could use to properly change the country. I can understand politically why Labour ran such a cautious campaign - the Conservatives had descended into chaos and all Labour needed to do to be elected was standby and look at least vaguely electable - when your enemy is making a mistake, do not interrupt him. But now the campaign is over and Labour have the biggest majority of any government since 1997, it is time to be bold.
 
Giggsyking said:
Yes indeed, I agree with you, the ones who are ready to support killing/starving children all over the world are the ones who can be PMs. Sir Kid Starver joins the list with his idol Blair. People with morality can not be leaders in the UK.
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I suspect Starmer has done a hell of a lot more, personally, from a moral standpoint than you have (or ever will). Look at his cv. He’s spend many years of his life as a human rights lawyer, often working pro bono, defending the rights of those who stand up to power. How does your own contribution compare?
 
F-Red said:
Corbyn actually got 10,000 votes less than the 2019 election, difference being in a Labour party to now an independent.
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Yes, While Starmer lost half his votes in his constituency while being promoted to party leader :D. Corbyn securing an incredible majority in a very safe Labour seat standing as independent is very impressive.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I suspect Starmer has done a hell of a lot more, personally, from a moral standpoint than you have. Look at his cv. He’s spend many years of his life as a human rights lawyer, often working pro bono, defending the rights of those who stand up to power. How does your own contribution compare?
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How do you know that? Have Starmer been in a warzone refugee camp to treat refugees as an unpaid Healthcare professional?
 
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