Same. I simply have no other option because I don't believe Corbyn cares about hard or soft brexit. he hates the EU. Always have and always will.
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Thats why I think there will be a swing towards the Lib Dems. Two and a half months is a long time to listen to the Tories, as a I said earlier.
Just get someone from Labour to stand up infront of a bus that says
"Vote for us and you'll get £1m each and a free puppy and it will always be sunny and 28 degrees celsius"
Blatant lying won brexit, might as well capture the idiot audience again.
(disclaimer : not everyone who voted for brexit was an idiot. However the majority of those who did were people who had no idea about what they were voting for)
"Vote for us and you'll get £1m each and a free puppy and it will always be sunny and 28 degrees celsius"
Blatant lying won brexit, might as well capture the idiot audience again.
(disclaimer : not everyone who voted for brexit was an idiot. However the majority of those who did were people who had no idea about what they were voting for)
But she needs to sway the non-Brexit junkies, doesn't she? I admit that I'm biased but I didn't see anything what could persuade people.
Content-wise, no single argument why she has the best negotiation plan, just a claim. No attempt to reach out to soft Brexiteers or Remainers.
She was just blaming others to obstruct but didn't make any argument why Tories are the best option.
She didn't speak freely but read out loud in a bloodless manner, with obvious false, made up emphasis.
She does come across like a 19th century gouverness who speaks to clueless, naive children.
Therefore, I stand by my impression - uninspired, hollow bollocks - and add that I doubt this will sway soft Brexiteers or Remainers.
If Corbyn wasn't such a lousy Labour candidate ...
Exactly.
I think it'll remain the overwhelmingly dominant issue, which is Corbyn's biggest problem as he doesn't have any solid footing on it. He'll attempt to turn the conversation to social and economic justice issues that he sounds more comfortable on. Tories will focus ruthlessly on Brexit, the economy and leadership as per.
They're a meh party generally, but for people that can't vote in effect for Corbyn and McDonnell to run the executive, they're one of the few choices left.
What good is it voting for the Lib Dems? The concept of a revote is barmy and the Brexit process is well underway.
Labour will take a hit but if it means the end of Corbyn and a fresh face to revitalise the party then so be it. Labour might have to lose to win, in an awful sort of way.
Labour will take a hit but if it means the end of Corbyn and a fresh face to revitalise the party then so be it. Labour might have to lose to win, in an awful sort of way.
It seems like they might be quite successful in being the only anti-Brexit party, which is not actually worth anything because in being so they will only end up being the 2nd biggest party at best and still be incapable of actually stopping Brexit. It seems on the surface a complete waste of the vote and as someone who has just finished being a student I can't say I look upon the Lib Dems very favourably anyway.
Basically the 'left' in Britain needs to get behind a campaign with a single emotive message - "Don't Get Fooled Again" would be my play. Of course, 'the left' can't agree on anything can it?
Some of them moaned for near on half a century about the EU.
I think we're well in credit so far.
I think you answered your own question
A vote for Lib Dem in most constituencies will be a vote for the Tories and hard brexit.
What an absolute shambles this country is at the minute. Complete self destruct mode.
It will have the same effect of David Moyes re-applying to the United job using pretty much that same emotive message.
If you really don't want the Tories to win the smart thing would be to vote for the opposition party that is most likely to win the seat in your area. No point voting Lib Dems if they have no chance of winning the seat.
That's what i'll be doing anyway, provided the opposition isn't UKIP or some other rw loon.
Max Boot is on the radio right now talking about this election. He just called Corbyn a "far left, anti-American extremist"
so true.
It's feckign well not true
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eople-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high
- It was reported that 36% of young people voted (by Sky News). This was repeated by politicians, news organisations and the man in the pub.
- The true figure was likely around 65%
- Of which 70% voted against brexit.
Now also remember that young people are likely not at a fixed address. No one can afford a house. Many are at University. Many have never voted before. Some will have polling cards send to a former address.
They voted, they cared. Lies were told.
As opposed to a vote for Soft Brexit and Labour?
I think the most some of us can hope for is a Pro-European party getting a high share of the votes even if they don't win that many seats.
God our political landscape is bleak.
Actually it was a bash against JC. He reminds me of Alfred Sant a Maltese politician who kept the Maltese labour party in opposition for 2 decades. He's a nice lad and all but he's unelectable.
I love a bit of Pete Townsend, I do.
Might as well call it "vote for us, stupid!"
What do you mean?
But I wasn't talking about JC. I was talking about a unified message from 'the left' - pie in the sky I know. Am my point re: emotive messages is that is what won both the Leavers and Trump their recent wins - "Take Back Control" for the Brexiteers, "Make America Great Again" for Trump. Seriously, the 'opposition' in the UK needs to play up how the Tories 'fooled' the public last summer. Don't Get Fooled Again.
Exactly what difference will Farron having say a 17% voter share have? Absolutely nothing.
Nothing wrong with voting on principle usually if it feeds the political narrative but if that is on pro-eu its going to achieve nothing.
This has to be about seats, if anyone votes Lib Dem in a seat they have no chance of winning then it may as well be a Tory vote.
It's a wasted vote for exactly this reason. Making the election about Brexit is lunacy. It's happening and there's nothing Tim Farron can do to stop it.
We need a Labour government in this country and if the country does struggle as a product of Brexit, then that debate will rear its head again in a different decade with potentially different results. But not now.
JC is the leader of the only party in the left that can win the GE.
"Take Back Control"? Well that was really 'deep' wasn't it? "Labour Isn't Working?" Elections are won and lost on emotion. The opposition in Britain need to call out the Tories for the liars that they are.
Unfortunately, that would allow the Tories to portray Labour as calling half the country "fools".
I am left wing remainer. By voting to Lib Dem I am stripping a vote from the labour party fast tracking the end of JC political career. If LD gains enough votes then those votes will show that the remain camp is still alive and kicking
Her negotiating prowess once again show it's head.
Criticises all the other political parties then asks them to give her the 2/3rds vote to enable her to even have a general election.
Might work in parliament, that strategy will not work in the negotiations with the EU.
Makes no difference to the EU if there's an election or not.
On the news here just a one line announcement that she's called an election... so what.
Criticises all the other political parties then asks them to give her the 2/3rds vote to enable her to even have a general election.
Might work in parliament, that strategy will not work in the negotiations with the EU.
Makes no difference to the EU if there's an election or not.
On the news here just a one line announcement that she's called an election... so what.
I think you're being very generous in comparing the two.
Some of you are getting worked up over nothing, labour will somehow find a worse leader by the time it's all said and done.
The slogan may not be right but the sentiment is; Time to give the Tories a kicking they deserve.
This Tory government will consider themselves and their friends and these people only, irrespective of protest votes.
I would probably orgasm if a David Miliband/Chukka Umunna launched a new centrist/mild-left party which was pro-EU (feck it, even just pro single-market) and favoured PR.
So you had to bring it back to David Moyes?
So they could splinter the remainer vote further and help May win the election?