General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Zebs said:
:confused: I didn't fill it out.
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Dobba said:
Yeah, people on zero hours contracts or interns who are paid such shit wages you also need benefits or even foodbank handouts in order to survive, just give the Tories time. Stop with your pie-in-the-fecking-sky nonsense about being paid a wage that means you can live rather than just survive, they'll get around to fixing it eventually. Luckily there is absolutely no big political decisions just around the corner that might put your genuine concerns down the pecking order.

'Honest' John. It's like a George Orwell wet dream :lol:
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Zero hours contracts are not bad always. Mcdonalds now employs 150,000 people. The offered all staff a move to permanent contracts and only 20% took it up. It depends on circumstance. Zero hours suits some people.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
I'm not going to comment on the rest because they are your views but what I can offer, from my experience in the NHS, is that the above is a poor and flawed judgment on the situation. It certainly isn't "sensible".

Waiting times in A&E, waiting times to be seen after your referral, operation cancellations, available beds, nursing and doctor staffing and many, many more critical aspects are at their worst levels in most of our lifetimes across the board.

The NHS will forever need more funding, it's the nature of the beast. The older we live, the more reliance we have on the service and the more expense we therefore require. But to dismiss the Conservatives actions and decision making on the way to this crisis is an inherently flawed judgment that requires people to speak against that.

Nobody is saying Labour will get it right but they're promising to do a damn sight more in trying to fix things than any recent Conservative government has.

I suspect you'll be the first person to criticise the NHS when they can't deal with a problem that you will inevitably have in life at some point. Instead of getting angry at the staff, the process and the results, remember that you voted to maintain the status quo and against a party trying to lead on accountable change and improvement.
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And your justification is why the whole government process is inherently flawed. It's always about the here and now. Tony Blair's labour government spent too much money when the economy was booming. There was no saving, no contingency, so when the banking crash came there was no pot to turn to and instead a dramatic increase in the government debt and with this interest payments.

Or put simply Labour's short term thinking has resulted in many years of the downside in NHS being much harsher now.

So Conservatives look like they are in the wrong, but they are trying to fix the mess so eventually a steady level of service can be provided at optimal levels without money wasted on interest payments.

If Labour spend spend spend now, again this will only result in an even bigger down swing
 
I had to check what the current majority was and consequently went to press submit at 17:02

FWIW...

Tory maj - 28
Labour - 234
 
Kentonio said:
I'm not in England, do you think I've gone mental or something? :lol:

Although I wasn't worshiping the sun so much a couple of hours ago when we went and played football in it. Damn that was tough..
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:lol: Thought you'd lost your marbles. However, I've got to force myself to go back some time soon.

Summer's here, hotter next week
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
And your justification is why the whole government process is inherently flawed. It's always about the here and now. Tony Blair's labour government spent too much money when the economy was booming. There was no saving, no contingency, so when the banking crash came there was no pot to turn to and instead a dramatic increase in the government debt and with this interest payments.

Or put simply Labour's short term thinking has resulted in many years of the downside in NHS being much harsher now.

So Conservatives look like they are in the wrong, but they are trying to fix the mess so eventually a steady level of service can be provided at optimal levels without money wasted on interest payments.

If Labour spend spend spend now, again this will only result in an even bigger down swing
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Appreciate the reply, especially given the volume of people having a pop at your post which I didn't think was fair (each allowed to their opinion after all).

I have to reject your notion of my post being short termism though because NHS funding is exactly the opposite. It will always grow and will always be there until problems are fixed. The longer the problems remain and are allowed to worsen, the longer it takes to fix it. No party will want to be the one to take the NHS agenda out of a political manifesto however only the Labour party are making an accountable pledge to address key measures that affect us all each and every day. Therefore suggesting that Labour's previous borrowing and spending across the board previously led to a lack of funding being available thereafter is a very weak counter that is inherently flawed and barely worth raising for aforementioned reasons.

I won't repeat myself as I made my point on NHS constitutional standards being abysmal right now and again, I'm not seeking to have a pop at you or your views, I'm just attempting to offer a different perspective considering my experience of dealing with these very issues each and every day in my job within the NHS.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
And your justification is why the whole government process is inherently flawed. It's always about the here and now. Tony Blair's labour government spent too much money when the economy was booming. There was no saving, no contingency, so when the banking crash came there was no pot to turn to and instead a dramatic increase in the government debt and with this interest payments.

Or put simply Labour's short term thinking has resulted in many years of the downside in NHS being much harsher now.

So Conservatives look like they are in the wrong, but they are trying to fix the mess so eventually a steady level of service can be provided at optimal levels without money wasted on interest payments.

If Labour spend spend spend now, again this will only result in an even bigger down swing
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You're spouting nonsense
 
Voted for the little its worth. Labour were 22% here last time. Lower than UKIP
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
This is frustratingly true, which leaves me as a centrist disappointed, but still taking an economic stance to support Conservatives as truly believe they are better at getting and winning business and controlling spiralling costs and interest payments. I e. Conservatives are more like CEOs, Labour are more like the Secretary in charge of the Xmas budget, will always look for a way to squeeze a few more budgets just to make everyone at the party happy, but then wonders why there is no Xmas party the next year!
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You seem to believe there's never been a recession under the Tories, standard condescending bollocks
 
Smores said:
Do you have to stay outside or is just a myth you're not allowed to display them?

Its an odd thing but sharing data with strangers feels wrong :lol:
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You stayed outside. It's really nothing to do with the election process, it's just convenient info-gathering for the candidates.
 
I voted about 1pm. A guy with a Libdem rosette asked for my polling number, so I gave him it. I didn't know about tellers, as I hadn't been asked for it previously, but I thought "He's libdem, what's the worst he's gonna do with it?"

I always vote very quickly, straight in, straight out, but I did notice there was a handful of others in the polling station while I was there. Unfortunately, not queues of students :(

Really hoping Labour pulls this one out of the bag, since they came 3rd last time and the Libdems have been bombarding the electorate with leaflets saying "It's between us and the Tories, don't vote Labour."

The things that swung it for me were the Corbyn factor and how he seems to have galvanised the Labour vote, plus the fact that the Libdems have won this seat in the past in no small part due to Labour voters voting for them tactically to keep the Tories out. Local Facebook groups and pages seem to bear this out. I see it as a fight between red and blue now.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
This was a gamble on May's part. The European conversations were clearly challenging and the momentum seemed to be behind Labour so she figured now would be a good time to cement here position in the strongest possible way. Reality frustratingly is many of our population are too stupid to understand this and having voted Brexit are now trying to damage our outcome by voting Labour.
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No I meant that there wouldn't be a vote on Brexit if they hadn't called for it. We wouldn't be pulling out of the EU if the Tories hadn't called the referendum.

I don't think that the call for a general election had anything to do with Brexit I think it was all about increasing the majority that the Tories had and the length of her tenure as PM. Labout infighting caused the General election.

As for damaging our outcome by voting Labour. Since she has called the election every time somebody has disagreed with May's opinion she's changed her mind and done a U-Turn. Heaven for bid she actually gets around to negotiating with the leaders of the EU they will eat her alive.

The thing is we are voting on a leader for 5 years not just somebody to negotiate Brexit (which the Tories called for). We need someone with a strong manifesto. We don't know what the Tory manifesto is we here platitudes about strong and stable rather than content. Labour has produced a manifesto I can get behind so I voted for the next 5 years.

What do I want with Brexit anyway. Stay in the Common Market, Keep workers rights allow me to move freely throughout Europe. That's what Labour are offering so my views mesh with them.
 
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