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[Cheesy]

Possibly very ignorant question since I don't know the dynamics of NI politics very well, but if Sinn Fein actually sat in their seats, wouldn't that mean Maybot and her DUP mates would lose their collective majority?

I think they'd just be over the majority.

 

[Ady87]

The BBC are loving this - people on here think they're biased against Labour but they're smelling blood from May and are revelling in the story of her potential demise.

Really interesting to hear that Boris, Davis, Hammond, Rudd et al all refused to talk to the media.

The one thing they and most media outlets absolutely love more than the Conservative party is misery, regardless of who is experiencing it.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Why do the Torys keep getting so many votes in the UK?

Probably the middle classes are growing. Too many have forgotten their roots. A load of Hyacinth Buckets.

I think I am joking.

 

[ThierryHenry]

Depends on your definition I guess. I associate career politicians as people who go to the top Universities to study Politics, they all follow the same route into Politics and form their little gangs right from the get go. Correct me if i'm wrong, but Corbyn never went to University?

Fair enough - Jeremy's whole career has been in politics though, which I'd consider much the same.

Just checked - he had one one year at uni;

Corbyn began a course in Trade Union Studies at North London Polytechnic but left after a year without a degree after a series of arguments with his tutors over the curriculum.

Classic Jez.

 

[Raulduke]

Possibly very ignorant question since I don't know the dynamics of NI politics very well, but if Sinn Fein actually sat in their seats, wouldn't that mean Maybot and her DUP mates would lose their collective majority?

They've already said they won't, even if it means a Tory-led government but even if they did, Tory-DUP would still have a majority.

 

[Eire Red United]

I wonder if Ruth Davidson will take a stand against the DUP. Probably not.

Is she the one that was in the ra?

 

[NinjaFletch]

Fair enough - Jeremy's whole career has been in politics though, which I'd consider much the same.

Just checked - he had one one year at uni;

Classic Jez.

That's hilarious

 

[Dobba]

Mandleson saying corbyn's polices weren't innovative enough........right........

He's been 'working every day to undermine Corbyn' according to him.

 

[Kaos]

I think they'd just be over the majority.

They've already said they won't, even if it means a Tory-led government but even if they did, Tory-DUP would still have a majority.

Ahh bollocks I underestimated the number of seats the DUP had.

 

[rcoobc]

Possibly very ignorant question since I don't know the dynamics of NI politics very well, but if Sinn Fein actually sat in their seats, wouldn't that mean Maybot and her DUP mates would lose their collective majority?

Nope

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Why do the Torys keep getting so many votes in the UK?

Looking at it the uk hasn't elected a left wing government since 1974, 'New Labour' where at best a centre party, though i'd argue they started off slightly right wing and by the end of Blairs time in office where basically in line with the Torys.
I guess you have to conclude its very hard to win an election with left wing polices in this country, a large part of that is probably down to a lot of people still remember the winter of discontent (1979-1978) lots of people of a certain generation still count the tories and thatcher as saving the country(which personally i think is debatable), so when a party comes forward with left wing ideas they link it back to then.
I guess as we go forward and that generation passes on, their will be more opportunities for a left wing party, but right now its still very hard to win a majority with that generation staying so stubbornly right wing.

 

[ThierryHenry]

General election 2015: Kensington[9][10]
Party Candidate Votes % ±
Conservative Victoria Borwick[11] 18,199 52.3 +2.2
Labour Rod Abouharb 10,838 31.1 +5.6
Liberal Democrat Robin McGhee 1,962 5.6 −13.9
Green Robina Rose 1,765 5.1 +2.9
UKIP Jack Bovill[12] 1,557 4.5 +2.3
CISTA Tony Auguste 211 0.6 +0.6
Animal Welfare Andrew Knight 158 0.5 +0.5
Alliance for Green Socialism Toby Abse 115 0.3 −0.2
New Independent Centralists Roland Courtenay 23 0.1 +0.1
Majority 7,361 21.1 −3.4
Turnout 34,828 57.0 +3.7

Incredible showing if Labour have won Kensington.

 

[Zarlak]

Why do the Torys keep getting so many votes in the UK?

Old people. Statistics have shown that if only young people voted, Labour would win in an absolute landslide. Perhaps we'll see Labour more and more popular now that young people actually stepped up to vote this election. At the last election their representation was very low which skewed the perception of Conservative support as something like 80% of over 65s turned out to vote.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Really thought that Corbyn was going to have an undisputed path to No 10 with how things were going. The Scottish Conservatives were all that stood in its way in the end, so they can hold their heads high this morning.

I suppose we have to stick with May for the time being, as much as it galls me.

Just checked the results in North London, Liverpool anche Manchester. What a thrashing for Tory!

Enfield is a total disgrace in that regard. I don't know how an openly proud Labour supporter could look some of their fellow residents in the eye this morning. They'd need a bloody good explanation for certain, as the anger among people i've spoken to is very high. A future campaign might be very bitter.

 

[DenisIrwin]

General election 2015: Kensington[9][10]
Party Candidate Votes % ±
Conservative Victoria Borwick[11] 18,199 52.3 +2.2
Labour Rod Abouharb 10,838 31.1 +5.6
Liberal Democrat Robin McGhee 1,962 5.6 −13.9
Green Robina Rose 1,765 5.1 +2.9
UKIP Jack Bovill[12] 1,557 4.5 +2.3
CISTA Tony Auguste 211 0.6 +0.6
Animal Welfare Andrew Knight 158 0.5 +0.5
Alliance for Green Socialism Toby Abse 115 0.3 −0.2
New Independent Centralists Roland Courtenay 23 0.1 +0.1
Majority 7,361 21.1 −3.4
Turnout 34,828 57.0 +3.7

Incredible showing if Labour have won Kensington.

She's the reason the Tories want to drop the ban on ivory sales.

 

[Cheesy]

Is she the one that was in the ra?

No, she's the gay Scottish leader. The DUP would, by all rights, despise her.

 

[Ubik]

Wise words from the God King, John Curtice

When Jeremy Corbyn won the leadership of the Labour party, he and close colleagues laid out a new strategy for electoral success. Rather than trying to compete with the Conservatives for the middle ground of British politics, he would seek to enthuse young voters and those who do not usually vote by putting forward a distinctive message. It was a strategy that was widely greeted with scepticism by many commentators who reckoned it was a pathway to disaster.

Meanwhile, things looked bleak indeed for Labour when Theresa May opted for a snap election on the back of a 16-point poll lead, which not long thereafter extended to a 20-point lead as the Ukip vote began to melt away. Yet, when the ballot boxes were opened, it was the prime minister who lost out; what was no more than a three-point lead proved insufficient for the Conservatives to retain any kind of majority at all.

This was despite the realisation of Conservative hopes that the party would benefit from the fall in Ukip support. In seats in England and Wales where Ukip was most successful in 2015 – and thus where its vote fell most heavily on Thursday – there was, on average, a small net swing to the Conservatives. Indeed, more broadly, the Conservatives did best in those constituencies where the vote for leave was strongest in last year’s referendum.

However, the other half of England and Wales swung strongly to Labour. Where Ukip was weakest two years ago, and where the leave vote was lowest, there was no less than a seven-point swing to Labour, including not least in London. In appealing to the Brexiters, Theresa May seems to have forgotten that she needed to carry with her the half of the country that voted remain.

The core of the remain vote comprised young, well-educated voters. And it looks as though the young voters that Corbyn was targeting, and whom the opinion polls suggested were swinging strongly behind Labour, did indeed turn out and support the party. The swing to Labour was rather higher in seats with most younger voters, as indeed was the increase in turnout. Meanwhile, where turnout went up, the swing to Labour tended to be higher, too. In short, all the signs are that Corbyn’s strategy delivered.

Up to a point, that is. There is a risk that, because the election result is being greeted through the prism of the widespread expectation that Labour would lose badly, it is forgotten that not only did Labour lose, but it did so almost as badly as in 2010, when Gordon Brown’s administration was ejected from power. Corbyn might have succeeded in persuading many voters that he was an effective party leader after all, but he has still not demonstrated that he can persuade enough to do so to be able to take his party to victory.

Meanwhile, there was one part of remain-voting Britain that did swing to the Conservatives – Scotland. However, there the central issue of the campaign was not Brexit but a debate about holding a second independence referendum. It has been a debate that has helped kickstart a Conservative revival that was fully in evidence on Thursday. The Conservatives won 29% of the Scottish vote, up no less than 14 points on 2015 and the party’s highest vote since 1979.

But the Conservatives’ ability to gain as many as a dozen seats north of the border was also reflection of a sharp 13-point drop in SNP support, together with the fact that the drop in SNP support was often highest in places where the party was strongest in 2015. The defeats inflicted on the former first minister, Alex Salmond, and SNP deputy leader, Angus Robertson, will have been a particularly heavy blow. Nicola Sturgeon may decide it would be wise to reconsider her proposed timetable for a relatively early second independence referendum, as well as pay more attention to the domestic record of her government in Edinburgh, a record that is increasingly being regarded unfavourably by voters.

The SNP was not the only party promising another referendum that performed relatively poorly. So also did the Liberal Democrats, in their case on the eventual terms of Britain’s withdrawal from the EU. But it did them little good in their attempts to reverse the serious defeat they suffered in 2015. On average, the party only did marginally better in seats where remain did best last year. Meanwhile, apart from Jo Swinson, Vince Cable and Ed Davey, the attempts of many former Liberal Democrat MPs to recapture seats they lost two years ago often simply resulted in even worse defeats. Now, question marks about the effectiveness of Tim Farron’s leadership would seem inevitable.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...eremy-corbyn-strategy-delivered-up-to-a-point

 

[ThierryHenry]

Really thought that Corbyn was going to have an undisputed path to No 10 with how things were going. The Scottish Conservatives were all that stood in its way in the end, so they can hold their heads high this morning.

I suppose we have to stick with May for the time being, as much as it galls me.




Enfield is a total disgrace in that regard. I don't know how an openly proud Labour supporter could look some of their fellow residents in the eye this morning. They'd need a bloody good explanation for certain, as the anger among people i've spoken to is very high. A future campaign might be very bitter.

In what respect Nick?

 

[Smores]

DUP say they haven't actually agreed to anything yet. If thats the case is she premature going to the Palace or is it just grandstanding to appear lile she's won?

 

[FC Ronaldo]

 

[matherto]

Fair enough - Jeremy's whole career has been in politics though, which I'd consider much the same.

Just checked - he had one one year at uni;

Classic Jez.

Rather be a poly than a cnut

 

[Ubik]

DUP say they haven't actually agreed to anything yet. If thats the case is she premature going to the Palace or is it just grandstanding to appear lile she's won?

She's going it as a minority, guessing by "deal" they're talking about what they'll vote for in a Queen's speech next week.

 

[fishfingers15]

1) Morata (almost) signs for United
2) Hung parliament
3) Comey testimony went very well

Glorious day?

 

[Zlatattack]

Why do the Torys keep getting so many votes in the UK?

A lot of people will cut their nose to spite their faces. I don't know what it is with people's mentalities but I know working class people or even middle class people who work hard and in todays economy just about make ends meet who are stupid enough to think the poor are their enemy. They'll be obsessed with benefits payments and immigration oblivious to what the actual numbers are.

 

[Unlikely lad]

 

[Abizzz]

Wise words from the God King, John Curtice

Up to a point, that is. There is a risk that, because the election result is being greeted through the prism of the widespread expectation that Labour would lose badly, it is forgotten that not only did Labour lose, but it did so almost as badly as in 2010, when Gordon Brown’s administration was ejected from power. Corbyn might have succeeded in persuading many voters that he was an effective party leader after all, but he has still not demonstrated that he can persuade enough to do so to be able to take his party to victory.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...eremy-corbyn-strategy-delivered-up-to-a-point

Yeah except for the part where Brown was incumbent, had support from the entire Labour party, wasn't smeared as a terrorist-socialist, and still got 11% less of the entire vote.

 

[McLovin]

Can't believe Kensington is going to go Labour. First time ever. Get in.

 

[ChrisNelson]

Can't believe Kensington is going to go Labour. First time ever. Get in.

Isn't this the one having another recount at 6pm tonight?

 

[Strachans Cigar]

The Tories & Labour need a cross-party commission to negotiate Brexit as Yvette Cooper has suggested. Simple as that.

A minority party negotiating brexit terms exclusively? Oh yeah...

 

[Berbaclass]

Good news right?

 

[Ubik]

Yeah except for the part where Brown was incumbent, had support from the entire Labour party, wasn't smeared as a terrorist-socialist, and still got 11% less of the entire vote.

Also one of the most unpopular incumbents in recent history, had just presided over a financial collapse and recession, and was fighting against two popular, media savvy opponents.

Labour have had an amazing, unexpected result from a very good campaign that enthused young people like never before. You have to also acknowledge the other side of it to find out how to do better and win.

 

[Dan]

Arlene Foster now speaking.

 

[Unlikely lad]

Good news right?

Whether it's official or not, they'll still follow anything The Tories put forward. The major difference is that it probably means the end of May.

 

[berbatrick]

https://www.facebook.com/jacobinmag...021112391265/1772549116105115/?type=3&theater

 

[ThierryHenry]

In terms of redcafe's internal race, there was no real competition this year. Reigning champion @Ubik wins again at a landslide, with by far the most posts in the thread. Robocop just edges out Dobba in the race for second. And despite the Labour dominance, it's great to see a range of parties supported by our own 'big four'.

1. 825
   Ubik
2. 564
   rcoobc
3. 558
   Dobba
4. 502
   Cheesy
5. 436
   Smores
6. 425
   Silva
7. 403
   DenisIrwin
8. 372
   Jippy
9. 369
   altodevil86
10. 337
    Kentonio

For comparison, 2015:

Spoiler

1. 391
   Ubik
2. 378
   Cheesy
3. 366
   Nick 0208 Ldn
4. 333
   Jippy
5. 271
   ThierryHenry
6. 222
   Silva
7. 170
   bishblaize
8. 158
   peterstorey
9. 155
   DiseaseOfTheAge
10. 142
    LitterBug

 

[Smores]

The Tories & Labour need a cross-party commission to negotiate Brexit as Yvette Cooper has suggested. Simple as that.

A minority party negotiating brexit terms exclusively? Oh yeah...

We do but considering the tories all walked out of the other cross-party effort because it wasnt glowing of Brexit im not sure it'll happen

 

[Cheesy]

In terms of redcafe's internal race, there was no real competition this year. Reigning champion @Ubik wins again at a landslide, with by far the most posts in the thread. Robocop just edges out Dobba in the race for second. And despite the Labour dominance, it's great to see a range of parties supported by our own 'big four'.



For comparison, 2015:

@Ubik pipped me at the post last time! Unfortunately couldn't sustain any effort this year.

 

[711]

His education means nothing. Part of the problem with modern Politics is career politicians. feck em.

Diane Abbott proves that.

 

[Ubik]

In terms of redcafe's internal race, there was no real competition this year. Reigning champion @Ubik wins again at a landslide, with by far the most posts in the thread. Robocop just edges out Dobba in the race for second. And despite the Labour dominance, it's great to see a range of parties supported by our own 'big four'.



For comparison, 2015:

I should really stop posting about politics. Also wtf, I was only on 600 when DOTA posted last night.

 

[Cheesy]

Tory on Sky News arguing they can do a deal with the DUP because they're not making a deal over the views they disagree with. But if you want to pass stuff through parliament...you fecking need their votes!