General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
I'm supporting the most anti brexit candidate as frankly the national players are all a shambles.

Lol at someone being taken to task for not finding Corbyn 'nice'. Hang 'em
 
Oscie said:
I'm supporting the most anti brexit candidate as frankly the national players are all a shambles.

Lol at someone being taken to task for not finding Corbyn 'nice'. Hang 'em
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Out of curiosity, would you vote for a party like the SNP, if only they were uk-wide and unrelated to nationalism?
 
Find it really odd Corbyn seems to be doing so well. I suppose it's a case of just voting for the opposition no matter who's in charge.
 
Simbo said:
Find it really odd Corbyn seems to be doing so well. I suppose it's a case of just voting for the opposition no matter who's in charge.
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The polls only really turned after Labour released their manifesto. That's not a coincidence.
 
Simbo said:
Find it really odd Corbyn seems to be doing so well. I suppose it's a case of just voting for the opposition no matter who's in charge.
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Really? I think since the second the campaign has been called he's been almost without flaw.

I went into the election deeply unsure who I would vote for and not convinced by Corbyn, but I think he's done a really good job. They've released a manifesto that appeals to voters, he's been enthusiastic and engaging, he's spoken well to the crowds, he's done well on TV, and they've absolutely hammered the Conservatives as a party for the rich and wealthy. I'm not convinced by Labour's position on Brexit, but they're been less amateur than the Lib Dems on this point.

The only real mistake Labour have made is continuing to allow Diane Abbott to go on TV.
 
Kentonio said:
The polls only really turned after Labour released their manifesto. That's not a coincidence.
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And the Tory manifesto.

The Tories were trying to win the election on Brexit alone, the policies however goes well beyond that and they've managed to remind many just what shits they are.
 
Mozza said:
And the Tory manifesto.

The Tories were trying to win the election on Brexit alone, the policies however goes well beyond that and they've managed to remind many just what shits they are.
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It's starting to feel.. deliberate. Surely they can't be this bad at it?

[Disclaimer: I haven't slept for 26 hours]
 
Kentonio said:
Wow, just watched the clip. Are we absolutely SURE they're not trying to lose?
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I'm looking forward to him not knowing the national debt being shown for the next 3-4 days, if not the clip regarding foodbanks. Obviously when Rudd got police officer's average wage wrong, Hammond took £20bn off the price of HS2 and Michael Gove didn't know the Immigration Skills Charge or how many non-EU immigrants had arrived in the country in the past year, there was more important news to cover. But, with the only real news of the day being the death of John Noakes and the playoff final, I'm sure it'll get equal air-time as Diane Abbott's gaffe.
 
I think tonight Corbyn will do better facing the audience's questions and May better vs Paxman. Corbyn's more personable than May who constantly looks terrified that an ordinary person might talk to her. But I think May's issues that'll come up in the Paxman interviews is something she can prepare for. I'd be very surprised if she isn't fully prepared for questions on social care and winter fuel payment changes. Whereas Corbyn will be asked about security, past with IRA, previous comments etc. And I don't think he's ever really handled those questions very well.

If I was Corbyn I'd want the Paxman section first, and visa versa if I was May.
 
Oscie said:
But I think May's issues that'll come up in the Paxman interviews is something she can prepare for. I'd be very surprised if she isn't fully prepared for questions on social care and winter fuel payment changes.
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Bear in mind though, she's exactly the kind of interview subject he hates. He'll ask questions, she'll repeat soundbites, and he'll get angrier and angrier. Should be very enjoyable to watch. :)
 
Oscie said:
Difference between talking with the IRA with a view of negotiating a settlement on behalf of the UK government and meeting then as a supporter of their aims and speaking at dinners held to fund raise for them.

No amount of tweeting pics of Gerry Adams meeting Prince Charles 20 years after the Good Friday Agreement really changes that.

Corbyn was never central to the pace process. He can only justify his words in respect of the IRA by pretending he was
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Go on then... Let's see why you hold your views. Please provide some links to articles or whatever that have formed your opinion on this.
 
Kentonio said:
Bear in mind though, she's exactly the kind of interview subject he hates. He'll ask questions, she'll repeat soundbites, and he'll get angrier and angrier. Should be very enjoyable to watch. :)
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Yes he won't let her get away with it.

Other than Michael Foot's, it's hard to think of a worst received major party manifesto than hers.
 
Ubik said:
Ah yes, please link me to more speculative blogs based on vast leaps of logic with no evidence.
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It might seem that way if you don't bother clicking on any of the embedded links provided in that article.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Really? I think since the second the campaign has been called he's been almost without flaw.

I went into the election deeply unsure who I would vote for and not convinced by Corbyn, but I think he's done a really good job. They've released a manifesto that appeals to voters, he's been enthusiastic and engaging, he's spoken well to the crowds, he's done well on TV, and they've absolutely hammered the Conservatives as a party for the rich and wealthy. I'm not convinced by Labour's position on Brexit, but they're been less amateur than the Lib Dems on this point.

The only real mistake Labour have made is continuing to allow Diane Abbott to go on TV.
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I dunno, even forgetting his past. He's like a poor mans Farage/Trump in this campaign, saying any old crap he thinks he can get away with to the populist crowd. If he keeps just half his promises he'll bankrumpt the country.
 
And the Tory's change of tack begins. Latest press release (fifth today).

10 Questions for Jeremy Corbyn on Brexit

Just 11 days after the General Election takes place, Jeremy Corbyn could be beginning negotiations with 27 EU states on the terms of our exit from the European Union.

It is therefore imperative he comes clean with the British people about the approach he will take in these crucial negotiations – as they will be central to everything over the next five years and beyond.

Questions for Jeremy Corbyn

1. Your Shadow Brexit Secretary said in April that you were going to tear up the negotiating objectives this Government has produced and ‘replace [them] with fresh negotiating priorities. How precisely will you rewrite our negotiating objectives in the 11 days between entering Government and starting negotiations?

2. Should an objective of Brexit be to reduce the number of people coming to Britain?

3. You say that you will immediately guarantee the rights of EU citizens living here on day one. Do you accept the EU’s negotiating position that they should continue to be protected by EU law rather than UK law once we have left - which would be enforced by the European Commission and European Court of Justice?

4. Your Mayor of London wants a London specific immigration policy once we have left the EU. Do you support the idea of regional immigration controls?

5. Your Shadow Brexit Secretary said in April that you want to ‘retain the benefits of the single market’. Are you willing to allow free movement of EU citizens in order to retain those benefits?

6. You said last November to Andrew Marr that preserving ‘justice issues through the European Court’ would be a red line for you in the Brexit negotiations. So would the European Court of Justice still have control over our laws once we leave the EU under your administration?

7. Your Shadow Brexit Secretary said in April that you want to leave membership of the customs union ‘on the table’. Does that mean you don’t want to strike new free trade deals in our own right?

8. Your manifesto says that ‘no deal is the worst possible deal for Britain’. Does that mean you will accept literally any deal the EU offers?

9. Will we definitely leave the EU if your MPs vote against the deal you come back with?

10. If you become Prime Minister, you will rely on SNP and Lib Dem support in a hung Parliament. Both of them want to stop Brexit. What concessions would you make to them?

Commenting, Chairman of the Conservative Party Patrick McLoughlin said:

“Eleven days after the polls close next week, Britain will be sitting down to tough negotiations with the EU 27 states. The election is a clear choice about who we want at the table negotiating on our behalf; strong and stable Theresa May or shambolic Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn’s team can’t get their sums right, can’t answer basic question about controlling immigration and don’t have a plan for Brexit – they are too big a risk to take.”

ENDS
 
DenisIrwin said:
It might seem that way if you don't bother clicking on any of the embedded links provided in that article.
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Which one justifies the headline "Theresa May's secretive plans to replace NHS in England with private UK healthcare system Kaiser Permanente", out of interest? Where's the link to this secret report that demonstrates they're planning on turning the UK system into an insurance-based one?

Or is it entirely based on photos of Hunt visiting it?
 
Just read that internal polls have leaked and while Labour vote share is up they are racking up votes in all the wrong places and are actuall DOWN 58 seats... Hope this is not the case.
 
Are the Tories really that surprised that the polls tightened when their manifesto was a massive thumb in the eye for the two most important voting blocks? Women and the elderly
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Just read that internal polls have leaked and while Labour vote share is up they are racking up votes in all the wrong places and are actuall DOWN 58 seats... Hope this is not the case.
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I find it believable, though sceptical of a figure as precise as that. Something similar happened in 2015, and polls subsamples in the west and east midlands look pretty dire still.
 
Jippy said:
And the Tory's change of tack begins. Latest press release (fifth today).

10 Questions for Jeremy Corbyn on Brexit

Just 11 days after the General Election takes place, Jeremy Corbyn could be beginning negotiations with 27 EU states on the terms of our exit from the European Union.

It is therefore imperative he comes clean with the British people about the approach he will take in these crucial negotiations – as they will be central to everything over the next five years and beyond.

Questions for Jeremy Corbyn

1. Your Shadow Brexit Secretary said in April that you were going to tear up the negotiating objectives this Government has produced and ‘replace [them] with fresh negotiating priorities. How precisely will you rewrite our negotiating objectives in the 11 days between entering Government and starting negotiations?

2. Should an objective of Brexit be to reduce the number of people coming to Britain?

3. You say that you will immediately guarantee the rights of EU citizens living here on day one. Do you accept the EU’s negotiating position that they should continue to be protected by EU law rather than UK law once we have left - which would be enforced by the European Commission and European Court of Justice?

4. Your Mayor of London wants a London specific immigration policy once we have left the EU. Do you support the idea of regional immigration controls?

5. Your Shadow Brexit Secretary said in April that you want to ‘retain the benefits of the single market’. Are you willing to allow free movement of EU citizens in order to retain those benefits?

6. You said last November to Andrew Marr that preserving ‘justice issues through the European Court’ would be a red line for you in the Brexit negotiations. So would the European Court of Justice still have control over our laws once we leave the EU under your administration?

7. Your Shadow Brexit Secretary said in April that you want to leave membership of the customs union ‘on the table’. Does that mean you don’t want to strike new free trade deals in our own right?

8. Your manifesto says that ‘no deal is the worst possible deal for Britain’. Does that mean you will accept literally any deal the EU offers?

9. Will we definitely leave the EU if your MPs vote against the deal you come back with?

10. If you become Prime Minister, you will rely on SNP and Lib Dem support in a hung Parliament. Both of them want to stop Brexit. What concessions would you make to them?

Commenting, Chairman of the Conservative Party Patrick McLoughlin said:

“Eleven days after the polls close next week, Britain will be sitting down to tough negotiations with the EU 27 states. The election is a clear choice about who we want at the table negotiating on our behalf; strong and stable Theresa May or shambolic Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn’s team can’t get their sums right, can’t answer basic question about controlling immigration and don’t have a plan for Brexit – they are too big a risk to take.”

ENDS
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I'd kill for the chance to write the official Labour response. After the Tories have spent a year insisting they can't even tell their own MPs their negotiating strategy, this is an enormous open goal. *

*which I fully expect Labour to miss..
 
Farron looks like someone who really wants to talk to you about how much better music sounds on vinyl.
 
Simbo said:
I dunno, even forgetting his past. He's like a poor mans Farage/Trump in this campaign, saying any old crap he thinks he can get away with to the populist crowd. If he keeps just half his promises he'll bankrumpt the country.
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He is saying the exact same stuff he has been saying for 35 years, he is the exact opposite of a populist. In fact, Corbyns speech about foreign policy is the exact same reasoning as the one he gave at the head of the million march against Iraq 20 years ago, where he predicted increased terrorism as a result of that war, and said precisly the same about Libya. 2 years later a libyan trained terroist shot and killed 30+ people on a Tunisian beach. While cameron did his best to look 'concerned'.

You can criticize him for many things, but Corbyn is most surely a conviction politician.
 
Kentonio said:
I'd kill for the chance to write the official Labour response. After the Tories have spent a year insisting they can't even tell their own MPs their negotiating strategy, this is an enormous open goal. *

*which I fully expect Labour to miss..
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Number 8 makes no sense. If there's no deal we fall back on the WTO- why would Corbyn, or anyone else for that matter, accept a worse deal:confused:
 
Ubik said:
Which one justifies the headline "Theresa May's secretive plans to replace NHS in England with private UK healthcare system Kaiser Permanente", out of interest? Where's the link to this secret report that demonstrates they're planning on turning the UK system into an insurance-based one?

Or is it entirely based on photos of Hunt visiting it?
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I'm not the author of that article. I think it does provide good food for thought. It might not join up all the dots but there are certainly things to think about. I have had questions in my mind about why on earth this government has behaved as it has with regard to the NHS, and this is the first time I have begun to look at KP's model. It kinda rings true, rather than lays it all out. It would certainly be remiss of a government to expose its secret plans completely open to scrutiny, wouldn't it?
 
Simbo said:
I dunno, even forgetting his past. He's like a poor mans Farage/Trump in this campaign, saying any old crap he thinks he can get away with to the populist crowd. If he keeps just half his promises he'll bankrumpt the country.
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Without question, one of the strangest comments I've ever witnessed on this website.
 
Jippy said:
Number 8 makes no sense. If there's no deal we fall back on the WTO- why would Corbyn, or anyone else for that matter, accept a worse deal:confused:
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The thing is WTO rules IS the worst deal possible.

Seriously.

There is only ONE country in the entire world that relies solely on WTO tariff trade agreements. That country is North Korea.
 
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