I can absolutely see that it's possible to dislike both. Although I like Corbyn he is not for everyone. What is really lacking in this election is an eloquent third choice, in a Clegg mould, for centrists. Farron just isn't that.
General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
- Thread starter altodevil
- Start date
So who are you voting for?
Labour MPs have shut up in hope that after June's defeat they can't be blamed. Naive to think they've genuinely rallied behind
That's pretty damning. There really hasn't been enough analysis on the tory cuts around this.
Whilst i keep seeing papers refer to Corbyns speech as the one labelled Monstrous by Boris, yet there's no critical comment on Corbyns claims. Frustrating
May and Corbyn facing questions from an audience and then individually from Jeremy Paxman tonight on the telly.
You guys should see this if you haven't already. Ed's pretty cool now.
I always liked Ed, probably more so than Corbyn. His perception damaged him massively though.
Does help that I met him (randomly in the park) a couple of weeks after the election and he was really nice bloke too.
I liked Ed, and voted for Ed. But either before the event or in hindsight was never a huge surprise that he lost. That's why I oppose Corbyn so much, because Labour already had its 'we all know he'll probably lose but feck it, he's a nice guy' leader and I think it's a tragedy for the party and the country that we followed him with another.
The state of the Labour party probably in the last election and this likely has done more for the Tory chances of winning than anything the Tories did themselves. Certainly this year where everything has been an absolute shambles for them. Without evening mentioning the absurdity of Brexit.
The state of the Labour party probably in the last election and this likely has done more for the Tory chances of winning than anything the Tories did themselves. Certainly this year where everything has been an absolute shambles for them. Without evening mentioning the absurdity of Brexit.
I don't agree tbh. Ed was a nice guy but that was all. Awkward in public, difficult to tell what he actually stood for and came across as a ditherer
Corbyn is a nice guy but crucially is also decisive and has a clear set of morals and beliefs which guide his policies
Thatcher meeting and praising the Mujahideen
Dam terrorist sympathiser.
Dam terrorist sympathiser.
Last edited:
Conservatives slash election projections as Corbyn surge in polls continues
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...tinues/ar-BBBB32f?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...tinues/ar-BBBB32f?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout
See, I disagree with this. Ed was nice, Corbyn is not, but he's somehow convinced everyone he's a man of the people. Sure he may look approachable but there is nothing 'nice' about the associations and viewpoints he has held in the past and seems reluctant to renounce even now. He's probably more extreme in his personal views than any mainstream Tory.
Another poll that accidentally tweet but has now be removed(Should be up later today)
Need 42-38 for a hung parliament. Getting close. Can't help but feel pessimistic since it always goes the Tories' way on the night.
Yup. Old people vote and feck over the young
That guardian article shows May for what she is. She isn't doing these things for Britain, she is furthering her own career/agenda.
Polls in the last week have shown majority support for the death penalty on stuff like terrorism and child murder. Support for it does always leap up after an attack though.
Never doubt the tories for anything but canny, the peculiar turn on their so-called 'own' is extremely baffling. Either someone is for the chop big time, or something is amiss.
Young have nobody to blame but themselves for not getting up and acting a lot of the time.
Yup, bloody frustrating.
You've articulated pretty much how I feel about this election.
I like the Labour manifesto (at least it has specifics) whereas the Tories manifesto is vague and seems to be "more of the same".
I'm not sure that our social welfare and health systems can take any more "austerity", especially the NHS.
I'm concerned that the estimates from increased income/corp tax are overstated and as someone who is lucky enough to be affected by these tax increases, I'm worried that if a shortfall occurs, there may be even higher raises in store for me in the future.
As far as the leaders go, if May gets blown off course this easily and this publicly, it doesn't bode well for EU/Brexit negotiations. If I were an EU negotiator I think I'd prefer to have May as my opponent.
Wasn't the attempt at removing Corbyn related to concerns that Labour were becoming un-electable? If he delivers Labour into power it will consolidate his position and nullify that position no?
I'd like to add that this thread has been extremely informative with some great debating going on, well done to you all!
Great to see, but I can't allow myself even a second of optimism after the total feckwank that was last year.
As I've said in this thread before, shy Tories will be the shyest they've ever been about voting for the arms dealing vicar's daughter and this manifesto. But yes, the idea of some of the cnuts at Tory HQ losing sleep over the polls is a nice one.
I would think that if corbyn won, the last thing that would happen is another coup, simply because it would be utterly pointless. No one else in the party could beat him in a leadership election if he wins a general election.
For the polls, it is not just about 'shy tories' this time. There is another factor, probably bigger, and that is the youth vote. 2 million under 25s registered to vote after the election was announced, corbyn has a massive 60%+ of those voters, and ALL weighted polls you see balance against the young voters because historically they simply do not turn out on the day. That is, when they interview younger voters, they weigh their responses much less than any other age group.
For the polls, it is not just about 'shy tories' this time. There is another factor, probably bigger, and that is the youth vote. 2 million under 25s registered to vote after the election was announced, corbyn has a massive 60%+ of those voters, and ALL weighted polls you see balance against the young voters because historically they simply do not turn out on the day. That is, when they interview younger voters, they weigh their responses much less than any other age group.
Those were applications to register, many will be duplicates.
And yes, they do tend to weight younger voters down because historically younger voters always overestimate how likely they are to vote (part of this is because politically active ones are often more likely to respond to surveys - this was one of the reasons of the big miss in 2015).
EDIT - Also, your figures are a little out, about 1 million under 25s applied to register between 18th April and 22nd May, the other million is the 25-34 group (which Labour still lead by a lot in, but not by as much).
Last edited:
That's the case every time I really do think the left have to reconsider seemingly now constantly relying on a demographic that consistently shows they don't turn up in as bigger numbers as they say they will
The parties that win the elections are the parties that has the biggest centrist appeal not those who make calculations based on if everybody under 25 and everybody who has never voted votes for us we might win.
The parties that win the elections are the parties that has the biggest centrist appeal not those who make calculations based on if everybody under 25 and everybody who has never voted votes for us we might win.
I agree that there is precious little choice here. May's odious, but Corbyn will wreck the economy. It's saying something when you're wishing Cameron and Miliband were back.
Economy is fecked either way.
I think you've got to do that to stand a chance, yes.
I expect the personal attacks on Corbyn to be stepped up even more now, given his and Labour's rise in popularity and the fact that Lynton Crosby is directing the Tories campaign.
I, and I guess quite a few others here, remember the dark days of the troubles - and they were indeed dark days. It really did seem there was no way out. Both sides were so polarised and full of hate towards each other. Just about anyone back then would be totally disbelieving that we would have a lasting peace in Northern Ireland.
There were some attempts early on, even in the midst of some of the worst attrocities committed by both sides. Back in 1972 we had Bloody Sunday in January, the Aldershot bomb in February, the Bloody Friday bomb in July, etc., etc.. Behind the scenes, in June Tory William Whitelaw was informed that the IRA might be willing to talk if the government released Gerry Adams, the then 23-year-old republican activist held under internment. Viscount Whitelaw agreed and the meeting was on. The subsequent talks, held in secret near the Donegal border and later in London, failed.
Will the Tories, by digging up the history of Corbyn's efforts to move the negotiations forward many years later, be willing to talk about their own party having flown into London the then IRA Chief of Staff and other senior IRA members many years earlier, in the hottest period of the conflict?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2601875.stm
I, and I guess quite a few others here, remember the dark days of the troubles - and they were indeed dark days. It really did seem there was no way out. Both sides were so polarised and full of hate towards each other. Just about anyone back then would be totally disbelieving that we would have a lasting peace in Northern Ireland.
There were some attempts early on, even in the midst of some of the worst attrocities committed by both sides. Back in 1972 we had Bloody Sunday in January, the Aldershot bomb in February, the Bloody Friday bomb in July, etc., etc.. Behind the scenes, in June Tory William Whitelaw was informed that the IRA might be willing to talk if the government released Gerry Adams, the then 23-year-old republican activist held under internment. Viscount Whitelaw agreed and the meeting was on. The subsequent talks, held in secret near the Donegal border and later in London, failed.
Will the Tories, by digging up the history of Corbyn's efforts to move the negotiations forward many years later, be willing to talk about their own party having flown into London the then IRA Chief of Staff and other senior IRA members many years earlier, in the hottest period of the conflict?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2601875.stm
Also in both pictures of the questionaires where the voters were asked to describe the leaders in 3 words, they used 4 words. Proof positive that democracy is a sham, and we should get rid of it in favour of robot overlords.
Dominic Raab had himself another Alan B'stard moment this morning. Lovely stuff.
Wow, just watched the clip. Are we absolutely SURE they're not trying to lose?
Difference between talking with the IRA with a view of negotiating a settlement on behalf of the UK government and meeting then as a supporter of their aims and speaking at dinners held to fund raise for them.
No amount of tweeting pics of Gerry Adams meeting Prince Charles 20 years after the Good Friday Agreement really changes that.
Corbyn was never central to the pace process. He can only justify his words in respect of the IRA by pretending he was
No amount of tweeting pics of Gerry Adams meeting Prince Charles 20 years after the Good Friday Agreement really changes that.
Corbyn was never central to the pace process. He can only justify his words in respect of the IRA by pretending he was
Interested to know why you feel Corbyn is not 'nice' and which associations and viewpoints he has held which you disagree with?
I think one of the problems Corbyn has is that he is opinionated and does have principles. Politicains these days scramble for the middl ground because if you don't stand for anything in particular nobody can disagree with you
Corbyn has done absolutely the right thing - come out with a solid manifesto of ambitious but achievable policies. Not everybody will agree with them but the reaction from the general public seems to be that many do
I honestly don't know which was to go. I suppose I could protest vote for the lib dems but I guess that would be same as being inactive. I honestly worry for the future as I think the recent political path of the country is leading us down a cul de sac in which the only occupants are bankruptcy and poor international relations!
What was the result in your constituency last time?
You could vote purely on local issues, which I'm doing. Our bloke is a good constituency MP who helped us out when we had problems with the council.