General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Kentonio said:
The only thing I've ever heard from her that I'd consider at risk of actually being racist was the incident with the Finnish nurses. What seems to be continually overlooked however is that if you're subject to constant racism throughout your life, and you're representing large numbers of people in your constituency and nationally who have also faced institutional and societal racism, then you're going to be talking about race a lot more than a comparable MP from the ethnic majority.

What really pisses me off though is this idea that a black MP calling out racism is itself racist. It's an appalling attempt to silence minorities and its coming up more and more with the recent wave of populism. It really hurts peope's feelings to be called racist, well I'm sorry but the vast majority of British people ARE racist, whether they mean to be or not. It's largely because of us being such a hugely majority white country, and but it doesn't make it any less true.

I'd challenge anyone who thinks that's wrong, to go take this test from Harvard university..

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1

It only takes about 5-10 minutes, and please complete it honestly and quickly as they ask, and then come back with your results.
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Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for Black people over White people
 
Kentonio said:
The only thing I've ever heard from her that I'd consider at risk of actually being racist was the incident with the Finnish nurses. What seems to be continually overlooked however is that if you're subject to constant racism throughout your life, and you're representing large numbers of people in your constituency and nationally who have also faced institutional and societal racism, then you're going to be talking about race a lot more than a comparable MP from the ethnic majority.

What really pisses me off though is this idea that a black MP calling out racism is itself racist. It's an appalling attempt to silence minorities and its coming up more and more with the recent wave of populism. It really hurts peope's feelings to be called racist, well I'm sorry but the vast majority of British people ARE racist, whether they mean to be or not. It's largely because of us being such a hugely majority white country, and but it doesn't make it any less true.

I'd challenge anyone who thinks that's wrong, to go take this test from Harvard university..

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1

It only takes about 5-10 minutes, and please complete it honestly and quickly as they ask, and then come back with your results.
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I don't really get that test. I took it as more of a memory or mental agility test between which way round the options are, rather than finding any implict racist notions.

Here is your result:

Your data suggest no automatic preference between African Americans and European Americans.
 
Kentonio said:
The only thing I've ever heard from her that I'd consider at risk of actually being racist was the incident with the Finnish nurses. What seems to be continually overlooked however is that if you're subject to constant racism throughout your life, and you're representing large numbers of people in your constituency and nationally who have also faced institutional and societal racism, then you're going to be talking about race a lot more than a comparable MP from the ethnic majority.

What really pisses me off though is this idea that a black MP calling out racism is itself racist. It's an appalling attempt to silence minorities and its coming up more and more with the recent wave of populism. It really hurts peope's feelings to be called racist, well I'm sorry but the vast majority of British people ARE racist, whether they mean to be or not. It's largely because of us being such a hugely majority white country, and but it doesn't make it any less true.

I'd challenge anyone who thinks that's wrong, to go take this test from Harvard university..

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1

It only takes about 5-10 minutes, and please complete it honestly and quickly as they ask, and then come back with your results.
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Here is your result:
Your data suggest no automatic preference between Black people and White people.
 
I did the homosexuality one and discovered I have a strong automatic preference for straight people.

I should try meeting some.
 
I have a preference towards black people over white people, not surprised at all :lol:
 
I can't be bothered to do it, so I have an automatic preference for laziness.
 
Kentonio said:
Cool, if you don't mind me asking, what is your ethnicity and how ethnically mixed was the area where you grew up?
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Sure - I'm white and grew up in rural south west wales (born in 1966). In my first 18 years of life, I only remember 2 kids who were not white. I was friends with both of them.

I don't know if there's a correlation between my upbringing (in that I had very limited exposure to other cultures) and my ambivalence towards the colour of someone's skin.

On a side note, my sister married a Nigerian guy and my wife is of mixed white/indian heritage, so maybe it's a familial thing? :)
 
Kentonio said:
The only thing I've ever heard from her that I'd consider at risk of actually being racist was the incident with the Finnish nurses. What seems to be continually overlooked however is that if you're subject to constant racism throughout your life, and you're representing large numbers of people in your constituency and nationally who have also faced institutional and societal racism, then you're going to be talking about race a lot more than a comparable MP from the ethnic majority.

What really pisses me off though is this idea that a black MP calling out racism is itself racist. It's an appalling attempt to silence minorities and its coming up more and more with the recent wave of populism. It really hurts peope's feelings to be called racist, well I'm sorry but the vast majority of British people ARE racist, whether they mean to be or not. It's largely because of us being such a hugely majority white country, and but it doesn't make it any less true.

I'd challenge anyone who thinks that's wrong, to go take this test from Harvard university..

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1

It only takes about 5-10 minutes, and please complete it honestly and quickly as they ask, and then come back with your results.
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The quiz broke on me
 
I was given that test a year ago, it was for male/female rather than race.

Am I the only sexist on here? :(
All you guys aren't racist at all. I feel excluded.
 
berbatrick said:
I was given that test a year ago, it was for male/female rather than race.

Am I the only sexist on here? :(
All you guys aren't racist at all. I feel excluded.
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It's quite remarkble really, I've seen lifelong progressives who have campaigned for decades for racial equality still get a result from that test that they have implicit biases. Yet at Redcafe, everyone is apparently colour-blind. :)
 
Kentonio said:
It's quite remarkble really, I've seen lifelong progressives who have campaigned for decades for racial equality still get a result from that test that they have implicit biases. Yet at Redcafe, everyone is apparently colour-blind. :)
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Almost enough to make you wonder about the worth of the test.
 
Kentonio said:
Well you know those Harvard professors, known for their amateur ways. ;)
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They can be as professional as they like, you can't make an accurate online test for prejudice. Even when the theory behind the test works it's only testing connections in the brain so someone who like those you mentioned spending their lives battling racism are going to do a lot of thinking about racism and thus have the connections.
 
Kentonio said:
It's quite remarkble really, I've seen lifelong progressives who have campaigned for decades for racial equality still get a result from that test that they have implicit biases. Yet at Redcafe, everyone is apparently colour-blind. :)
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Like I said earlier- it's just a mental agility test really, trying to catch you out by changing the tabs round to try and confuse you. Hard to view it as anything more.
 
Nikhil said:
Seriously, Jezza winning this election would be the greatest current affairs thing to have happened in at least 25 years.
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Well, that or Mandela. Toss-up.
 
It's no wonder the 'centrists' have never spoken for me, they live in a different universe.

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So bias and propaganda pieces are only terrible if the other side do it?

Not sure why this thread needs to be filled with social media shite most of us scroll past.
 
Kentonio said:
The only thing I've ever heard from her that I'd consider at risk of actually being racist was the incident with the Finnish nurses. What seems to be continually overlooked however is that if you're subject to constant racism throughout your life, and you're representing large numbers of people in your constituency and nationally who have also faced institutional and societal racism, then you're going to be talking about race a lot more than a comparable MP from the ethnic majority.

What really pisses me off though is this idea that a black MP calling out racism is itself racist. It's an appalling attempt to silence minorities and its coming up more and more with the recent wave of populism. It really hurts peope's feelings to be called racist, well I'm sorry but the vast majority of British people ARE racist, whether they mean to be or not. It's largely because of us being such a hugely majority white country, and but it doesn't make it any less true.

I'd challenge anyone who thinks that's wrong, to go take this test from Harvard university..

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1

It only takes about 5-10 minutes, and please complete it honestly and quickly as they ask, and then come back with your results.
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I finished it to make you happy.

I do think the test is somewhat flawed.... it put White People = Good / Black = Bad first... so of course when it swapped it around, that was more difficult...

But, the result doesn't actually surprise me. Matthew Syed wrote a good article about racial prejudices a while back (amongst people who dont think they have any), although I'm sure there are many others.
 
rcoobc said:
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I finished it to make you happy.
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Aww, thanks. :)

rcoobc said:
I do think the test is somewhat flawed.... it put White People = Good / Black = Bad first... so of course when it swapped it around, that was more difficult...

But, the result doesn't actually surprise me. Matthew Syed wrote a good article about racial prejudices a while back (amongst people who dont think they have any), although I'm sure there are many others.
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Yeah, I think we all have them to some extent. I got the same result and it made me stop and realize that just thinking you aren't bias isn't worth anything. I think its useful as a self awareness thing and something to work on.
 
Just watched Sturgeon's Neil interview. I'm not a fan of hers, but credit where it's due, I thought she was the best yet.
Her ability to recite figures across inter-departmental policies and the like must make the Tory campaign chiefs weep.
 
Kentonio said:
Aww, thanks. :)

Yeah, I think we all have them to some extent. I got the same result and it made me stop and realize that just thinking you aren't bias isn't worth anything. I think its useful as a self awareness thing and something to work on.
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I've noticed several times in my life that I've had an automatic prejudice against non-White people... thoughts I wouldn't have thought if it was a white person in that situation.

The Black vs White person stealing a bike is the easiest example of this



So I think you are right, being aware that you do have these prejudices (as a liberal) is important, to be aware of, and to fight against them.

But incidentally, I think the difference between the left and the right on this, is that whilst the right will try to justify their prejudices. I know of people who really do think Black people are less intelligent and are happy to try and justify that.

It's a sad state of affairs
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
That's really poor compared to the original.
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Obviously we're seeing the polls narrow, but everyone, including Sturgeon, expects a healthy Tory victory, despite everything.

I'm leaning more towards a hung parliament or Corbyn win through a coalition. I can't decide if that's cos I'm heavily influenced by the amount of time I spend here or whether the media is underestimating another populist movement gathering momentum, much like Brexit.
 
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