General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
The polls are narrowing, but the problem for Corbyn is he's well behind on the issues like terrorism and Brexit.

These are the 2 main issues which people will be basing their votes on.
 
@Unmutual's guess of a 10-point win is looking a decent shout at the moment.
 
altodevil86 said:
That's not good - negative momentum for Labour will kill any chance of a hung parliament.
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On the one hand both results are in each others margin of error, so could just be normal statistical variation, on the other hand if you compare it to the result from a week ago (pre U-turn and terror attack), it's actually a gain of two.
 
DenisIrwin said:
I wanted to find out more about Corbyn's "Gandhi International Peace Award" and its credibility or otherwise. While researching it I came across a wealth of very interesting stuff. Among previous recipients were the founders of Media Lens. I guess I must have come across them before but never really looked in depth. It's a goldmine! The stuff on how the press treated our involvement in Libya is fecking mindblowing - and all backed up with good links. I recommend it highly.

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Then there's this:

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This is a very interesting piece, imo...

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2016/827-the-great-libya.html
 
Just watching Andrew Neil's Corbyn interview. Hard to know what to make of it really. I can see the IRA and trident stuff not going down well with some voters, but jeez, at least he isn't a flustered broken robot repeating 'strong economy' etc...
 
Chorley1974 said:
Taxing people earning > £80K a year more isn't going to raise what they have 'costed' it's well known that if you just keep raising taxes it has a negative effect at some point in terms of the economy. Such as people will just move to another country, as I'm doing.
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Lowering taxes has a worse effect.

Where are you moving to?
 
The Tories have loads of shit policies, but they aren't proposing to privatise the NHS.
 
I've been very surprised by how much of a difference the Tory manifesto has made. I thought we were fare too jaded by politics, after an election in 2015 and a referendum the next year, to be paying attention to policy.

But, you know, I am just someone who watches Newsnight sometimes. Not someone paid to predict the national mood...
 
Oscie said:
Hard to think of a Labour leader in the past 30 years who wouldn't be absolutely miles ahead in the polls of this shambles.
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Careful now, there are a lot of Corbyn fanboys about. Their manifesto is full of idealistic tripe, how on earth are they going to come up with the money for some of the stuff they're proposing without putting the country in a huge amount of debt.
 
Acole9 said:
Careful now, there are a lot of Corbyn fanboys about. Their manifesto is full of idealistic tripe, how on earth are they going to come up with the money for some of the stuff they're proposing without putting the country in a huge amount of debt.
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If only the manifesto was costed so you could see for yourself. Sorry, I mean 'magic money tree'.
 
Who's gaining in all of these polls where the changes in the parties listed add up to a few negative percentage points?

Is a Monster Raving Loony surge afoot?
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Who's gaining in all of these polls where the changes in the parties listed add up to a few negative percentage points?

Is a Monster Raving Loony surge afoot?
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Rounding, and "other" which includes SNP and Plaid.

But we live in hope that Nick the Flying Brick will make an impact.
 
I think even the most Tory of Tories, when it comes to the NHS, are aware that - to use an expression from Yes Minister - only 'salami tactics' are feasible.

They can make minor changes toward privatisation but if they ever dared do too much at once we'd probably burn down parliament, given how fond of the NHS we are as a nation.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I think even the most Tory of Tories, when it comes to the NHS, are aware that - to use an expression from Yes Minister - only 'salami tactics' are feasible.

They can make minor changes toward privatisation but if they ever dared do too much at once we'd probably burn down parliament, given how fond of the NHS we are as a nation.
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Apparently Jeremy Hunt wrote a book on how it can be done. I haven't read it and don't have a link though.

Edit: (after a quick google) https://whatwouldvirchowdo.files.wo...mocracy___an_agenda_for_a_new_model_party.pdf
 
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Ubik said:
So, we've today had a 6, a 7, a 10, a 12 and now a 14 point lead. YouGov had to spoil it.
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Certainly suggests no-one has a clue. Also wish I had a punt on Corbyn earlier. This as weird an election as I can remember. Trying to think- maybe Kinnock's massive fail or Major's shock win as a comparison?
 
DenisIrwin said:
Apparently Jeremy Hunt wrote a book on how it can be done. I haven't read it and don't have a link though.
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I have heard so, many times. I find it entirely believable that he wishes to do it. I very much doubt he or anyone else could get close in five years, mind.

They'll do severe damage. Of course. I don't believe they can scrap it without us electing them again and again for about thirty years, though.
 
Dobba said:
Selling services to the likes of Virgin doesn't count apparently.
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It's not privatisation in the US sense, no. It's publicly funded private provision, which may or may not be good but it's more like what Canada have. Thus the scare story about bomb victims receiving medical bills isn't relevant.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I have heard so, many times. I find it entirely believable that he wishes to do it. I very much doubt he or anyone else could get close in five years, mind.

They'll do severe damage. Of course. I don't believe they can scrap it without us electing them again and again for about thirty years, though.
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They'll start with means testing. "The country is so in debt, its only fair that the better off contribute, but of course those most in need will be covered for free!". And then once that 'free for everyone' barrier is finally broken, the system will be finished. They'll chip away, and add more and more limits until it's a truly private system. It's their dream.
 
Kentonio said:
They'll start with means testing. "The country is so in debt, its only fair that the better off contribute, but of course those most in need will be covered for free!". And then once that 'free for everyone' barrier is finally broken, the system will be finished. They'll chip away, and add more and more limits until it's a truly private system. It's their dream.
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Chipping away takes a while though. Only works if you keep winning.
 
Kentonio said:
They'll start with means testing. "The country is so in debt, its only fair that the better off contribute, but of course those most in need will be covered for free!". And then once that 'free for everyone' barrier is finally broken, the system will be finished. They'll chip away, and add more and more limits until it's a truly private system. It's their dream.
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As long as any Tory manifesto promises that the brown bloke who talks funny down the road has to pay more, the moronic masses will lap it up. They could do it tomorrow.
 
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