But if it's true that the more people see of Corbyn the more they like him, the approach of "if she's not doing the debate, I'm not doing the debate" is surely bonkers?
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Subsample, but has SNP 46%, Labour 26% and Tories down to 22% up here...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/6dqito/westminster_voting_intention_scotland_snp_46_1/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/6dqito/westminster_voting_intention_scotland_snp_46_1/
Who keeps thinking putting Diane Abbott on TV is a good idea?
Corbyn's on Peston this morning. Out of the holy trinity, McDonnell is by far the best TV performer.
Corbyn's on Peston this morning. Out of the holy trinity, McDonnell is by far the best TV performer.
Tory Campaign HQ?
Well I read a recent list of health care ratings around the world and france was not as high on the list as people like Paul would have you believe but was way ahead of the UK that was 30th on the list. If they do move to something more nhs like then I imagine it will be funded and managed better, I imagine income tax rates are also higher in france than the uk allowing better funding.
Drivel it may be but you pay feck all income tax in the uk and have the worst services I've come across in western Europe. That's not just coincidence.
Are you going to tell me I am wrong?
Corbyn only has himself to blame for polling so badly on Brexit. He hasn't been assertive enough about that.
Even if labour lose this election I am confident that the future of left wing politics is secure and I predict a labour government in the election after this one.
Hopefully your right.
This was pretty much the main idea of Corbyn-ism(such a pointless word) to build back up some very basic left wing ideas and to try and challenge the argument. Now the higher polling a Corbyn lead Labour Party can get the stronger the future of left wing politics will.
Also another potentially positive could be that if the more Labour friendly polling is correct then the centrist/centre left of the PLP will just have to feck off and form other party.
Fallon is just as shite Abbott.
Or if they are more smart and mature the next leader will be a more pragmatic corbynist I.e. Left wing but no IRA links, says nothing that would raise any security fears and by that time any brexit issues will be non existent.
To be totally honest when you look at this conservative government it is full of grotesque idiots of which the evil and quite frankly not as smart as she thinks witch is the leader of.. they're going to feck up Brexit (a battle any competent leader would struggle with but these idiots will absolutely make a pigs ear of) they will bring the NHS to the absolute brink and with police cuts etc I predict more terror attacks.. they're going to be struggling big time next election.
She's not fit to lead the nation and it will be all on display next few years. It's going to be an absolute car crash and I can't wait to see it all unfold. I don't think she'll see out the entire term.
That'd be a disaster. Would guarantee Tory government for a long, long time to come.
Agreed. We need everyone to pull together and a unified vision. Alienating the centre left is not the way to go.
Wow, I just assumed they weren't going to be there. Guardian says Corbyn will only go if May does. Interesting if they send McDonnell.Didn't know she'd pulled out of the televised leader debate. Being replaced by Amber fecking Rudd..
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-for-theresa-may-in-televised-leaders-debate
It will be interesting to see who will take over after Corbyn, at the moment I can't see many standout candidate. But overall the two most important points for me are
. Getting the threshold lowered - The Mcdonnell Amendment
.The whole of the party (The PLP) understanding that it's a member lead party.
Why ?
I'm more thinking that they would form another party and get completely rinsed. I can't see a party formed by them lasting, let alone getting votes. Personally I think the only reason they are still here is because of the name recognition that the Labour Party brings.
Granted there would still be a old Labour right but that's manageable.
Why doesn't Corbyn go to the debates just because May won't? It'll be great for his campaign if he shows up and she doesn't. He's letting her off the hook.
Doesn't look uniform across all polls, YouGov has the Tories ahead of Labour by 5 and ComRes has them only 5 off the SNP (
) Could do with a Panelbase of Scotland soon.EDIT - As I post that I just saw this on Twitter, Labour have definitely jumped up but Tories still a bit ahead
Even if they were to get rinsed to the point of only getting, say, 6%, that'd probably be enough to cause a good number of seats to swing from Labour to the Tories due to the vote being split. Checked it out on ElectoralCalculus and something as low as that would cause around a 40-seat difference. Something more substantial (10-15%) would have an even bigger effect, and guarantee more Tory government.
The lack of brand recognition would significantly hamper any Labour breakaway, but I think they'd stand a decent chance of doing alright. They'd have some major, recognisable names who would presumably carry on as MP's in this hypothetical new party - again, some of them would likely still win their own constituency, and if they didn't it'd probably be the Tories who benefit.
There's ultimately got to be compromise within Labour. From both sides. The PLP and that ilk have to recognise they've not properly listened to the membership in recent times and that their attempts to undermine Corbyn from the moment he stepped into office were damaging. Likewise, Corbyn's supporters should be able to recognise that he's been highly unpopular and that the centre argument that they're better positioned to win elections does have some credence. In a PR system a breakaway would be fine, but in the current system it's just not viable.
Doesn't look uniform across all polls, YouGov has the Tories ahead of Labour by 5 and ComRes has them only 5 off the SNP (
EDIT - As I post that I just saw this on Twitter, Labour have definitely jumped up but Tories still a bit ahead
Not great from the SNP...it seems like Labour have lost votes to the Tories (naturally), but are gaining them back by convincing a lot of SNP supporters that Corbyn represents a lot of what they want anyway.
Putting in those figures has it as SNP on 41 seats, Tories on 15, and Labour on 3.
Especially when we hear that the more people see of him the more they like him. If that was even vaguely true Corbyn and his team would have him debating Rod, Jane and Freddy if he was given a prime time platform to do so.
There was a poll a couple of weeks ago that had a hypothetical "Progressives" part at 17% to a Labour 19%, I think the Lib Dems were at about 6 and you'd think they'd get subsumed. But yeah, it would be electoral poison unless one side could kill of the other quickish.
Watched that live, he tried to pass off alternative Boris Johnson quotes and failed badly.
Amusingly he tried to add the word 'fabricated' to them.
Do you agree with what I wrote or not?
Because it'd turn into an attack peice on Corbyn whilst May avoids it. Worst case Boris turns up who people already have a low opinion on.
Of course you'd hope that other parties would focus on attacking the Tories but they have vested interests so won't.
Not to say it couldn't work but it'd be risky.
Yeah it would but he gets that everywhere he goes anyway, and people would think May's a coward and scared to face him. I think that'd have a bigger impact.
Corbyn should 100% appear at the BBC leaders debate... preferably as a very late addition if he really wants to create a story around it and leave the other parties underprepared to attack him.
Then he should take every opportunity to call Theresa May a weak leader and accuse her of running scared... consistently asking Rudd why May wouldn't appear herself.
Then he should take every opportunity to call Theresa May a weak leader and accuse her of running scared... consistently asking Rudd why May wouldn't appear herself.
Lets be blunt, fallon is a liar.
He is also a crook.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...aimed-8300-too-much-in-mortgage-expenses.html
How has someone that bent stayed out of prison.
He is also a crook.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...aimed-8300-too-much-in-mortgage-expenses.html
How has someone that bent stayed out of prison.
In just terms of names who would they have ? Isn't there a chance Clegg who I think is more well know than any of the centrist MP's in Labour might lose his seat. The biggest name would a returning mid 60's Blair and people hate him just if not more than Corbyn. Their politics is not only poison but would be constantly tearing itself part as it tries to find the ''centre'' in world with a right wing Tory Party and a left Labour Party.
Maybe I am underestimating them and the power of a shit ton of money but I really think they have absolutely nothing to offer
You said Corbyn should do the debates. I responded by suggesting that I also thought he should do the debates
Not entirely sure what the basis of your confusion is
That's correct I do not. Did you agree then?
If he goes I expect this will be his line. Has to be. May would look conspicuous by her absence if Corbyn's there. If he doesn't go then he's letting her off the hook.
But that said I thought the only thing she was doing was that BBC Question Time thing where they appear one at a time in front of an audience, which is still going ahead. Not sure if not turning up to a debate she was never scheduled to do really counts as 'pulling out'.
Who's going on instead of Corbyn?
No
I presume they'd have plenty of well-known names: Umunna, Kendall, Cooper, Benn, Jarvis etc. Not that I particularly rate them, or think they're anything great as such, but they'd certainly have a bit of pull. They'd have the majority of current standing MP's from the party, meaning they'd presumably form the opposition in some way.
All-in-all, it just strikes me as a bit...pointless? Their politics may be a 'poison' to you, but I'd argue they'd still represent more of your views in regards to Brexit, the environment, social values etc. They're better than the current Tory a lot, certainly, even if I'm not that fond of them myself. And if Corbyn loses next Thursday, while I don't think the current Labour policies should be swept aside with the party membership being ignored, I do think the left should also listen to the moderates. Compromise is needed from both sides.
You never know, they might put a reversal of the benefit freeze in their manifesto.
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