General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
That's my plan too, 10 minute walk from Pereybère beach :drool:
That's where we stayed when we had the Mauritian wedding. Beautiful white sand.
Her plot is in Trou aux biches, but the moment it is just that- a bit of land that needs clearing before we can build on it.
Thank feck her didn't buy somewhere in Arsenal. We're going in September, so we'll get to see it for the first time:)
Oh what a dive! Why did I think she was from East Asia?
It has it's problems, but everything looks better in glorious weather...
The wasps are the worst. They're fecking massive and look terrifying.
 
I thought we were talking about present Labour policy? Is Corbyn using a Rachel Reeves speech from four years ago as his template or something? I'm confused as to why it's her fault that Labour aren't yet pledging to reverse those cuts.
it just dawned on me, is this all coming from that 'Resolution Foundation' report? :lol:
 
it just dawned on me, is this all coming from that 'Resolution Foundation' report? :lol:
That's what the Guardian's report's from, IFS saying much the same, as were Labour after the manifesto last week (to paraphrase Thornberry, "we can't afford that".)
 
By the way if you vote Tory then your voting for this cnut



Also



The choice really isn't difficult.

Unpalatable, but then again Diane Abbott has made racist comments, so that's one flipside.
Is the Fallon stuff corroborated beyond a single source?
 


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PM Corb on the way. Survation also shows lead down to 12.
 
Unpalatable, but then again Diane Abbott has made racist comments, so that's one flipside.
Is the Fallon stuff corroborated beyond a single source?
No I don't think so. So I guess people can take it with a pinch of salt but Murray was a former British ambassador. What were Abbott racist comments ? Was it the whole divide and rule thing ? She not really wrong is she.
 
Jeremy Corbyn: the only bearded bloke from the Seventies to be arrested for streaking with his clothes on. Even then they were out to get him.
 
People will vote Tory because the left ensured there is no alternative. Corbyn supporters and Trump supporters may be opposite ends of the spectrum politically but they have the same grasp of reality. Defending utter, breathtaking competence and insisting on blaming it on "fake/biased" media. The two men also have grey beards, the difference is one isn't called Mike Pence.

It feels like we've been tied on a track with the train coming. Everyone saw the dangers of Corbyn/the train coming. Everyone said his leadership would be absolute fecking disaster. What gets me now is people who purposely pretended that wasn't the case and denied reality when it was putting its cock in its face and thrusting hard, will, on 9th June, pretend that somehow the massive shit show that will be a Tory majority of Thatcher/Blair like proportions was somehow unforeseeable.

If you look at the two great heroins of the hard left in terms of the Labour party of the past 50 years - Foot and Corbyn, have (will) both lead to among the biggest Tory wins in modern political history at some point the left have to ask themselves: "Am I dumb as feck?"

This constant battle for reality is also aping what we're seeing in America with Trump. You present the facts that Corbyn's mere presence does more to secure the long-term future of Tory rule in Britain than anything any Tory has or possibly could do in the next couple of weeks of the campaign, and all you get is memes about Laura Kuenssberg. Rome burns and Trump supporters say: "But her emails!", Corbynites post images of Kuenssberg on Twitter insinuating she's a Tory. Meanwhile the rest of us have to live in a one party state. It's infuriating but it's the story of this election and of the Labour party, taken over by dipshits who think that you can dismiss the introduction of the minimum wage, workers rights, lifting millions of pensioners and children out of poverty, record investment in public services - as nothing. But unnecessarily sitting on the floor of a train? That, my friends is a working class hero! If you disagree with me then I'm going to Tweet a picture of BBC journalists and imply they're all Tories and that'll really make you look stupid.

Just kill me now.

It feels like my house is on fire and the council have decided to replace the fire brigade with ducks. I'm screaming "The ducks are fecking useless!!" but the left are telling me I should give ducks a chance, because they're kind, honest, and decent ducks. And yes, my house may burn down, my kids perish and my possessions be lost forever, but what's they'd rather have; principles over water.
What a load of complete and utter bollocks.

You really want to know what it is like living as a working class man in Tory Britain? You want to know my reality?

I worked as hard as i could, pulling 60-80 hour weeks for years to build my career, I wasn't in debt, I had bought my home and i was happy enough. That was 8 years ago, since the Tory government have been in power I have seen my savings completely disappear, not through my own negligence, but through the fact that my wages have not gone up at all, yet income tax and national insurance have increased. The cost of living has steadily risen since 2010, meaning that i could no longer afford to drive a car and instead I buy a monthly bus pass to get to work. I could no longer afford to pay the bills so i ended up losing my flat and have had to move back in with my parents.

I currently earn the same as i did 4 years ago and as a parent and those added costs, once my bills are paid at the end of each month, i have roughly £17 left at the end of the month and that is working full time. I am currently thinking about trying to find a second job to ease the burden.

My teeth are fecked, the bottom 2 are rotten as feck and guess what? I can't afford a dentist and I earn slightly more than the threshold to receive any help.

The tory manifesto will be taking away my daughters free school lunches that at the moment is a fecking massive help to my ex partner and I. They will more than likely privatise the NHS meaning i am more than likely to need health insurance going forward which will be another massive monthly cost. My parents are nearly in their 70s and my dads memory is getting so bad that he might need care soon, need i say more?

This for me is about what the Tories are pledging in their manifesto, it's about what they are going to take away from me someone who has never shied away from work and have always paid my way.

This isn't about media bias, it isn't even about loyalty to one party. I have taken the time to carefully read all party manifestos and i took the decision to vote Labour based on it being 100% in my best interests, in my families best interests.

So the next time that you accuse people of only choosing Corbyn because he is the left wings choice (i am paraphrasing) remember this post.
 


While this may be encouraging for the Corbyn supporters who think he has an actual chance of winning, wasn't there a rule of thumb that Labour need to beat the Tories in the % vote by a few points to actually hold a majority in Parliament due to the way even the current boundaries, let alone the new ones, are drawn? Personally I think a narrow loss for Labour where they keep or slightly increase the number of their MPs at the expense of some non-Tory MPs would be the worst result for the party because it means Corbyn will stay on. The Tories will still end up with a slightly increased majority and a weak oppo leader.

On the spoiler, is that made up or real?
 
Any middle class and working class person who votes Tory in this election when there is a chance to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister should be ashamed of themselves. What a travesty that people actually think Theresa May has their best interests at heart. Murdoch and the gutter press have far too much power and influence in Britain.

What the Daily Mail and Dacre said about Ralph Miliband was a disgrace as well, inspite of them knowing full well that Miliband served in the Royal Navy.

I don't think anyone knows what middle, or working class means anymore, hence stupid posts and comments
 
While this may be encouraging for the Corbyn supporters who think he has an actual chance of winning, wasn't there a rule of thumb that Labour need to beat the Tories in the % vote by a few points to actually hold a majority in Parliament due to the way even the current boundaries, let alone the new ones, are drawn? Personally I think a narrow loss for Labour where they keep or slightly increase the number of their MPs at the expense of some non-Tory MPs would be the worst result for the party because it means Corbyn will stay on. The Tories will still end up with a slightly increased majority and a weak oppo leader.

On the spoiler, is that made up or real?
To get a majority, Labour would need to win by around 10 points. You may have been talking about polling bias in previous elections, the answer to which is - we basically don't know until the result comes in. In all but two or three of the elections since the war, the polls have overstated Labour's final share. After 2015, they've all tried to modify their methods to make their samples more accurate (the problem in 2015 wasn't "shy Tories", it was that the samples pollsters were getting weren't representative). It's perfectly possible that they're understating Labour this time round (this doesn't chime as well with leader ratings and doorstep anecdotes as it did in 2015, but you never know).
 
What a load of complete and utter bollocks.

You really want to know what it is like living as a working class man in Tory Britain? You want to know my reality?

I worked as hard as i could, pulling 60-80 hour weeks for years to build my career, I wasn't in debt, I had bought my home and i was happy enough. That was 8 years ago, since the Tory government have been in power I have seen my savings completely disappear, not through my own negligence, but through the fact that my wages have not gone up at all, yet income tax and national insurance have increased. The cost of living has steadily risen since 2010, meaning that i could no longer afford to drive a car and instead I buy a monthly bus pass to get to work. I could no longer afford to pay the bills so i ended up losing my flat and have had to move back in with my parents.

I currently earn the same as i did 4 years ago and as a parent and those added costs, once my bills are paid at the end of each month, i have roughly £17 left at the end of the month and that is working full time. I am currently thinking about trying to find a second job to ease the burden.

My teeth are fecked, the bottom 2 are rotten as feck and guess what? I can't afford a dentist and I earn slightly more than the threshold to receive any help.

The tory manifesto will be taking away my daughters free school lunches that at the moment is a fecking massive help to my ex partner and I. They will more than likely privatise the NHS meaning i am more than likely to need health insurance going forward which will be another massive monthly cost. My parents are nearly in their 70s and my dads memory is getting so bad that he might need care soon, need i say more?

This for me is about what the Tories are pledging in their manifesto, it's about what they are going to take away from me someone who has never shied away from work and have always paid my way.

This isn't about media bias, it isn't even about loyalty to one party. I have taken the time to carefully read all party manifestos and i took the decision to vote Labour based on it being 100% in my best interests, in my families best interests.

So the next time that you accuse people of only choosing Corbyn because he is the left wings choice (i am paraphrasing) remember this post.
I'm sorry you're struggling Roland- you're a good guy and sound a loving dad.
National insurance hasn't risen though. Wage growth has stagnated due to the economy and the recent rising cost of living is largely driven by global factors and Brexit- we've actually just been through years of the lowest levels of inflation ever.
I doubt any of this would've been much different under any government tbh.
I do hope you get solidly on your feet soon though.
I understand you being pissed about the school lunches though and your concerns about your parents- my mother was 70 last year.
I can't vote for May either btw.
 
I'm sorry you're struggling Roland- you're a good guy and sound a loving dad.
National insurance hasn't risen though. Wage growth has stagnated due to the economy and the recent rising cost of living is largely driven by global factors and Brexit- we've actually just been through years of the lowest levels of inflation ever.
I doubt any of this would've been much different under any government tbh.
I do hope you get solidly on your feet soon though.
I understand you being pissed about the school lunches though and your concerns about your parents- my mother was 70 last year.
I can't vote for May either btw.
Truthfully i don't blame anybody else for my issues and that was more a passionate rant than anything else, but reading the manifestos it seems clear to me that Labour have a much healthier outlook for people such as me and my family. I took exception to the poster (who i am sure meant no harm) saying people vote tory due to media bias and conspiracy theories etc (again, i'm paraphrasing)

I honestly and genuinely believe that we have a once in a lifetime chance to elect an honest and genuine leader of the country. I love the fact that we live in a democracy and have the ability to vote based on informed decisions.
 
^ Given the circumstance you outlined in your earlier post, i would consider it reasonably likely that free school lunches will continue. Unless others have hears specifics on thresholds of which i am unaware.
 
I'm tempted to whack some money on Betfair on Labour, this little bit of momentum is promising and at 21 now it could be a good opportunity to trade. I can see the price halving over the next few weeks.
 
9% supposedly voting Lib Dem. 9% gap between cnuts and Labour.

Wouldn't you just vote Labour to equal the odds with the Tories and potentially keep them out. Literally not a hope of Lib Dems ever winning.
 
I'm tempted to whack some money on Betfair on Labour, this little bit of momentum is promising and at 21 now it could be a good opportunity to trade. I can see the price halving over the next few weeks.
I wouldn't be so sure. Betfair are offering better odds than the rest because whilst they're exposed if the market shifts, they're very certain that the Tories will win. Which means that they've taken into account the opportunity for trading, though are probably quite confident that they can maintain an artificially high position. They could even short it, if they were a little bit rogue. First sign of Tory momentum/Labour collapse, they raise the price and feck over potential traders.
 
I wouldn't be so sure. Betfair are offering better odds than the rest because whilst they're exposed if the market shifts, they're very certain that the Tories will win. Which means that they've taken into account the opportunity for trading, though are probably quite confident that they can maintain an artificially high position. They could even short it, if they were a little bit rogue. First sign of Tory momentum/Labour collapse, they raise the price and feck over potential traders.

Betfair don't set the price it's an exchange.
 
Really? That I never knew. How does their system work? In general I mean. It's customer to customer?

Yeah it is. If I decide to back Corbyn at 21 it means a bunch of other people have laid Corbyn at the same price. Betfair markets are obviously quite sentiment driven, hence my thinking the price could lower over the next period. I'd cash it out before it got to the election, hopefully for a shorter price if all goes to plan.

Betfair just take a commission, usually around 5%.
 
Yeah it is. If I decide to back Corbyn at 21 it means a bunch of other people have laid Corbyn at the same price. Betfair markets are obviously quite sentiment driven, hence my thinking the price could lower over the next period. I'd cash it out before it got to the election, hopefully for a shorter price if all goes to plan.

Betfair just take a commission, usually around 5%.
That could be smart.

Curious, if you back Corbyn at 21, and let's say the gap narrows in the polls to 3-4%, which is within margin of error territory, does Betfair then require both ends to reach an agreement? Presumably the person who lays the bet has to be willing to sell at a loss? Or does it work differently?

Sorry for mini derail, but Betfair is now interesting me :lol:
 
9% supposedly voting Lib Dem. 9% gap between cnuts and Labour.

Wouldn't you just vote Labour to equal the odds with the Tories and potentially keep them out. Literally not a hope of Lib Dems ever winning.

It's a poll showing general sentiment, not the political dynamic at the constituency level. Take Richmond, for example: If a sizeable number of Lib Dems defect to Labour, you are in all likelihood handing the seat back to the Tories.
 
More Lib Dems in the last-but-one YouGov wanted May as PM than Corbyn (tabs on the latest one haven't been released yet).
 
That could be smart.

Curious, if you back Corbyn at 21, and let's say the gap narrows in the polls to 3-4%, which is within margin of error territory, does Betfair then require both ends to reach an agreement? Presumably the person who lays the bet has to be willing to sell at a loss? Or does it work differently?

Sorry for mini derail, but Betfair is now interesting me :lol:

Once you back or lay the bet it's locked in to the pool, rather than between each other so you don't need an agreement to get out. If you want to get out of the bet later on you have to take the current market price. So let's say I back Corbyn at 21, the polls narrow and the price moves to 10s, so I decide to cashout, I'd be essentially accepting a new bet from a different user to do so. The original user who laid my bet at 21 would keep their bet at those odds, it's just I've 'sold' it to someone else.

That someone else wins at 10s if Corbyn wins, but the original guy who laid the bet still pays out at 21s. The difference between the two is my profit. Hope I've managed to explain it well but I'm not sure!
 
Once you back or lay the bet it's locked in to the pool, rather than between each other so you don't need an agreement to get out. If you want to get out of the bet later on you have to take the current market price. So let's say I back Corbyn at 21, the polls narrow and the price moves to 10s, so I decide to cashout, I'd be essentially accepting a new bet from a different user to do so. The original user who laid my bet at 21 would keep their bet at those odds, it's just I've 'sold' it to someone else.

That someone else wins at 10s if Corbyn wins, but the original guy who laid the bet still pays out at 21s. The difference between the two is my profit. Hope I've managed to explain it well but I'm not sure!
Thanks, that's a very good explanation. Similar to a general exchange, just without a centralized price setter. Very interesting.

Had I large sum of money, I'd do the opposite. That is, lay Corbyn to win at about 40-1 as the gap narrows (presuming this is possible).

I'm working from the vantage point of the Conservatives will win, it's only a matter of landslide or slight gain.
 
I'm tempted to whack some money on Betfair on Labour, this little bit of momentum is promising and at 21 now it could be a good opportunity to trade. I can see the price halving over the next few weeks.
I'm tempted at bets on either a hung parliament or Corbyn. Didn't go with my gut on Brexit and regretted it. I'm kind of having a similar feeling now.

This election is like Liverpool v City where I want both to lose.
 
Truthfully i don't blame anybody else for my issues and that was more a passionate rant than anything else, but reading the manifestos it seems clear to me that Labour have a much healthier outlook for people such as me and my family. I took exception to the poster (who i am sure meant no harm) saying people vote tory due to media bias and conspiracy theories etc (again, i'm paraphrasing)

I honestly and genuinely believe that we have a once in a lifetime chance to elect an honest and genuine leader of the country. I love the fact that we live in a democracy and have the ability to vote based on informed decisions.
If people do vote Tory or anyone cos of what they read in the media, then they get what they deserve.
I despise democracy tbh. I don't believe that the majority of people are worthy of voting. My mother, who lives in David Davis's constituency, likes him, voted Brexit and is now voting LibDem at the GE.
She worries that May/Corbyn could damage her granddaughters' future, yet she helped ensure that they will unlikely ever be able to work or live in Europe.
Most people are idiots. We need Plato's benign *********** king.
 
If people do vote Tory or anyone cos of what they read in the media, then they get what they deserve.
I despise democracy tbh. I don't believe that the majority of people are worthy of voting. My mother, who lives in David Davis's constituency, likes him, voted Brexit and is now voting LibDem at the GE.
She worries that May/Corbyn could damage her granddaughters' future, yet she helped ensure that they will unlikely ever be able to work or live in Europe.
Most people are idiots. We need Plato's benign *********** king.
I love the idea of true communism tbh but it will always be ruined by greedy feckers and turned into a dictatorship.
 
I'm not pro-Tory but at some point you have to recognise that all the polls are probably not massively wrong. Why would anyone who wants to get rid of a Tory government not be angry at a Labour leader making such a piss-poor go of doing it? He's a politician about to lead his party to probably it's worst election performance in more than 100 years. I don't get why he isn't the subject of ire rather than treating him like a special needs fat kid whose trying his hardest at sports day and gets a sympathy applause.

Genuinely don't get why people are so protective over a leader who is pretty much guaranteeing another 5 year term for a party everyone agrees is making life harder for working people in this country. I'm flabbergasted at people who claim to hate the Tories being so supportive of a man they know deep down is probably the number 1 reason behind their massive poll lead and inevitable massive majority on 8th June
 
I'm not pro-Tory but at some point you have to recognise that all the polls are probably not massively wrong. Why would anyone who wants to get rid of a Tory government not be angry at a Labour leader making such a piss-poor go of doing it? He's a politician about to lead his party to probably it's worst election performance in more than 100 years. I don't get why he isn't the subject of ire rather than treating him like a special needs fat kid whose trying his hardest at sports day and gets a sympathy applause.

Genuinely don't get why people are so protective over a leader who is pretty much guaranteeing another 5 year term for a party everyone agrees is making life harder for working people in this country. I'm flabbergasted at people who claim to hate the Tories being so supportive of a man they know deep down is probably the number 1 reason behind their massive poll lead and inevitable massive majority on 8th June
The same leader that has managed to cut the same polls you have mentioned in to single figures with over 2 werks to go? The same leader that has managed to get a potentially record amount of young voters registered to vote? Those youngsters aren't polled either i would imagine.

Vote tory by all means but this is a silly post imo.
 
If people do vote Tory or anyone cos of what they read in the media, then they get what they deserve.
I despise democracy tbh. I don't believe that the majority of people are worthy of voting. My mother, who lives in David Davis's constituency, likes him, voted Brexit and is now voting LibDem at the GE.
She worries that May/Corbyn could damage her granddaughters' future, yet she helped ensure that they will unlikely ever be able to work or live in Europe.
Most people are idiots. We need Plato's benign *********** king.
Sad but true Jippy, unfortunately Lee Kwan Yew died a couple of years ago but he's probably the closest we'll ever see. Even then his regime could be fairly authoritarian but Singapore today is testament to the fact that the betterment of society as a whole was his only real goal.
 
I'm fairly committed to the Left without being active or silly (I hope) about it. I strongly dislike most Tory attitudes & viewpoints.

I didn't think Corbyn was electable in any way at all & was being a silly sausage in many ways.

I think he has campaigned well & looked very good actually.

Isn't going to win, mind. But I think he's come across very well - for transmitting the message & style, so on.