She says it on TV all the time, it must be true..
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She says it on TV all the time, it must be true..
Sorry didn't mean it as a dig towards to you, more that we are now in a situation where a political party announces a terrifying policy and the reaction from its supporters(Or least people who are on same political spectrum) is not of horror but of hope that policy will get killed because of party in fighting.
I work on zero hours contracts. Some of the very hard-working people I work with and meet won't vote Labour because they think it's the party of work-shy layabouts. They are dead set against people that have social housing and in receipt of benefits due to pumping out kids that will be just like them. Meanwhile, they feel they are doing the right thing, working ever harder to live outside the benefit system. So, they vote for the Tories - because they're fecking stupid, hard-working serfs.
Not sure her analogy holds up tbh- it's more of a £100k tax-free allowance on the cost of social care.
I thought a lot of the left would like the policy on one level tbh- older, wealthier people losing their homes and all that unearned houe price inflation- one of the arguments trotted out for IHT being acceptable.
Well, they ARE the party of the "WORKING CLASS" - not the scroungers. With investment in infrastrucure there will be work.
They probably feel that they'll pay more tax under Labour tbh.
Are you saying that Labour isn't the party for people on benefits?
That's not the point i was making. Rather, that come 2021/22 the imperatives of voters will be different. People won't feel so inhibited with their choices, thanks to a likely combination of negotiations being over and new leadership among the opposition parties. For example, i might feel more comfortable voting Lib Dem at that point (provided that their local candidate does still wish to build schools on park land).
I guess i take some comfort from past events. With both ID Cards and pre-charge detention, a sufficient number of MPs stood in the way of those measures. Theresa May could push through further security focused elements, yes i think that is possible. However many of the other restrictions being alluded to, go beyond what i believe parliament will accept. Maybe i end up looking naive, we shall see.
Also worth bearing in mind that the manifesto has drawn criticism from her own side; large majority or no (i think the result be closer than originally supposed), there will be the potential for revolt.
Not a lot of help to those of us who are ill scroungers and are facing cuts to our housing benefit.
I know for a fact there are work-shy layabouts that abuse the system. They are shits, in my opinion. For every one of them there are a hundred struggling against a Tory tide.
...which is because they are stupid and ignorant.
Not actually seen what the tipping points for which party you'd pay more tax under, given your salary.
...and Universal Credit. As a safety net, it's not fit for purpose. I never want to use the benefit system. I have self-respect. When I've had to though, I feel I have every right to expect the safety net to be there for me. I have paid more than my fair share of tax and NI over the years - in fact, if I had all my P60s for the past 5 years, I would be able to claim back a fair chunk of cash (but I lost all my paperwork). I didn't claim until I had no choice. Then, when I was really struggling - and I mean really struggling - I had to wait 6 weeks for 4 weeks' UC. That set the pattern. That 4 weeks UC was supposed to cover the 6 weeks I had been waiting as well as get me through the next calendar month. Of course, it didn't. So, I struggled. I found some work and borrowed from friends and family. The money I had earnt reduced the amount of UC I got the next month... and so it goes. Foodbanks were no use. What use is cans of food when you are street homeless and don't have a fridge, cooker, plates, knife, fork or spoon? It goes on. The council housed me. Yahoo! But still, you are always behind. Everything you earn reduces the amount of UC you get. You struggle to earn enough to get by and find you can't keep up with the rent. When you do manage to get regular work it all goes on rent arrears. Then, when you're going to sleep at night, you get Edwina fecking Currie on FiveLive saying you're a lazy fecker.
I think everyone should be taxed on their earnings. I am under the threshold and shouldn't be paying tax, even though it is sometimes deducted. I also sometimes pay Employer's NI. I really don't understand that - or who gets credited with the contributions. I guess it's the umbrella company. That's another thing. There is a huge industry that has arisen with the growth of zero-hours contracts. Agents and umbrella companies creaming the top off hard working people. If I was paying tax as I feel I should it would improve my self-esteem though.
That's the spirit... Let's not engage and educate those who disagree with Corbyn... Let's call them stupid and ignorant (I suppose it makes a change from calling them Tory-lite Blairite scum)..
They are stupid and ignorant because they should realise that they are the serfs to the Lords and Masters, not among the top 5%.
I was more looking for a scale, say at 35k, you're better off under the Tories and under that you'll pay less under Labour tbh...Would be interesting to see the figure (am not thinking about those earning 100k+)
You're never better off under the Tories unless you have a lot of shares in privatised industries, own a portfolio of private rent houses, donate to the party for honours, own a mainstream media conglomerate, or are otherwise a greedy fecker.
As long as 'moderates' like Reeves are unfortunately still in the party.
Pretty amazing influence she's got to be setting benefits policy from the backbenches.
I'm hardly a greedy fecker for not particularly wanting to pay more income tax. My wife and I pay over 40k a year in income tax, we mainly use private healthcare and have no kids, so we certainly pay our share already.You think she made that speech and other comments without informing (and getting approval from) anybody else in the party?
The future, looking at the voting intention of younger voters, is looking bright. Look after yourself mate, and don't go getting dementia under a Tory government.
Doesn't it always? Then they got older and a lot of them turn Tory?
My parents, god rest their souls, were racists.
I thought we were talking about present Labour policy? Is Corbyn using a Rachel Reeves speech from four years ago as his template or something? I'm confused as to why it's her fault that Labour aren't yet pledging to reverse those cuts.
I'm more confused by why in a 2 way race the best thing they can throw at Labour is 'well they might not immediately reverse the horrible things the other side are already doing'.
I'm confused as to why the Tories are pushing Terrorista May as strong and stable.
I have a mild heart condition so I expect that will go before my mind tbh.
I doubt if I make it to retirement I'll be in the UK tbh- my missus has a plot of land in her home country.
That's somewhere in East Asia isn't it? You lucky man, I'd love to retire out there, even now and I'm only 30.
My 70-year old mother turning racist- it seems in part due to the influence of her partner.
It's making my relationship with her very difficult full stop, but even more so given my wife is a non-white immigrant.
Mauritius.
That's my plan too, 10 minute walk from Pereybère beach
Oh what a dive! Why did I think she was from East Asia?
Spiders.
I agree that Corbyn has made many mistakes as leader. No doubt about that. But the media are not giving the same amount of scrutiny to the Tories that they are giving to Labour.
The Tory manifesto was terrible. What the Tories plan on doing to social care will badly affect millions of people. But the Murdoch media only say that Theresa May is 'strong and stable' and Corbyn is 'clueless'. Barely any reporting of the what the Tories want to set out to do. This is when the media bias becomes an actual problem and in a country like the UK, where the print media and the newspapers are very influential, undermines democracy.
Newspapers in the US aren't that influential because 320 million don't read the national papers and US papers are mostly terrible. Television is the largest medium and is more influential.