Gary Neville

Dan_F said:
Ah I see what you mean now I’ve read the quotes. He also included Ronaldo in that sentence so I don’t think he said it because now fans are unhappy with Pogba. He’s been consistent with criticising the clubs transfers and Pogba himself, so I don’t think it’s a correlation.
Click to expand...
 
croadyman said:
Sourness was trying to defend those yankee leeches again, so Gary read him the riot act. He then went in on the club for these OTT player announcements like Alexis and Pogba.
Click to expand...

Let me guess he didn't criticise British players
 
Gary is a whingey bitch. Look we get it, the performances are shit, what's the point going over the fact that the players aren't good enough over and over? Tell us about the tactics, tell us about the board, tell us about the next steps. Your job isn't just to bitch like you're on Redcafe, it's to actually analyse the game and the club and tell us something we didn't already know.
 
TwoSheds said:
Gary is a whingey bitch. Look we get it, the performances are shit, what's the point going over the fact that the players aren't good enough over and over? Tell us about the tactics, tell us about the board, tell us about the next steps. Your job isn't just to bitch like you're on Redcafe, it's to actually analyse the game and the club and tell us something we didn't already know.
Click to expand...
You don't actually hear him much do you.
Hes outlined a few times what Glazers need to do.
 
Dan_F said:
Ah I see what you mean now I’ve read the quotes. He also included Ronaldo in that sentence so I don’t think he said it because now fans are unhappy with Pogba. He’s been consistent with criticising the clubs transfers and Pogba himself, so I don’t think it’s a correlation with Pogba not being liked now.
Click to expand...

Gary Neville usually just feeds off the general atmosphere, there's a reason he's suddenly having a go at how players are being presented. There's a reason he's blaming everyone but Rashford for his performances and so on.
How players are being presented matters feck all, doesn't influence the way they perform, we're doing what we can to maximize revenue because we have to. It took Russia waging war on Ukraine and Abramovich being targeted for Gary to realize that certain ownerships are bad, the fecking tit of a man he is. It's the way he presents his opinion that annoys me the most, hindsight and coming off as if he couldn't be more correct.
 
croadyman said:
Absolutely spot on post match, stuck that Scottish twat Sourness in his place as well
Click to expand...

So, when Souness called United "A magnificent, one of the greatest clubs In the world" he was wrong?

Also, as a Scot, what's his nationality got to do with anything? He has the sane nationality as Alex Ferguson, Matt Busby, Denis Law, etc. I'm sure they would have something to say about your xenophobic comment.

As a nation, of twats (apparently), Manchester United have got a tartan thread running through their core.

Also, it's Souness. I wish this current United squad had 1/10 of his passion.
 
UncleBob said:
Gary Neville usually just feeds off the general atmosphere, there's a reason he's suddenly having a go at how players are being presented. There's a reason he's blaming everyone but Rashford for his performances and so on.
How players are being presented matters feck all, doesn't influence the way they perform, we're doing what we can to maximize revenue because we have to. It took Russia waging war on Ukraine and Abramovich being targeted for Gary to realize that certain ownerships are bad, the fecking tit of a man he is. It's the way he presents his opinion that annoys me the most, hindsight and coming off as if he couldn't be more correct.
Click to expand...

Now im by no means a Gary supporter, but he didn't feed off the atmosphere when we wanted Ole gone, he's been letting Rashford off the hook for years, hes been critical of the commercial angle of the club. Neville is neville, he has his views and generally is passionate about them. The issue tends to be that there is not usually anyone around him that can challenge his points, although I think Carragher and to an extent Keane does.

End of the day the guy is a fan in the media as most pundits are, sometimes he'll say stuff you agree with, sometimes he wont. He can't encapsulate every point and feeling of every fan of united. Whether you agree with his points he still is by far the best at articulating his points and at least goes a little bit deeper than 99% of the pundits out there who rinse and repeat "they don't want it enough", "hes gotta run back" etc
 
UncleBob said:
Gary Neville usually just feeds off the general atmosphere, there's a reason he's suddenly having a go at how players are being presented. There's a reason he's blaming everyone but Rashford for his performances and so on.
How players are being presented matters feck all, doesn't influence the way they perform, we're doing what we can to maximize revenue because we have to. It took Russia waging war on Ukraine and Abramovich being targeted for Gary to realize that certain ownerships are bad, the fecking tit of a man he is. It's the way he presents his opinion that annoys me the most, hindsight and coming off as if he couldn't be more correct.
Click to expand...

Absolutely. He sounds like he’s repeating soundbites off Twitter most of the time.
 
croadyman said:
Sourness was trying to defend those yankee leeches again, so Gary read him the riot act. He then went in on the club for these OTT player announcements like Alexis and Pogba.
Click to expand...
Good on him for relaying the reality to Souness. I feel Souness is desperate to just believe that it has nothing to do with the owners because Liverpool have American owners too and somehow in his mind it elevates further what they have done.

As for the player announcements. They seem to have settled down now but wasn’t that a thing that EVERY club was doing at the time? Like even Crewe Alexandra ? City have pathetic little stadium events when they sign players. They’re hilarious. Doesn’t stop them being brilliant. It’s shite like this with Neville that needs to stop.
 
Gary Neville has only a rudimentary understanding of the issues at United. Falls into the Roy Keane school of just criticising the players mentality, which is just the default "I don't understand the complexity of the issues, so I'm going to lash out" position nowadays.
 
Neville is upset, for the first time United board is trying to move away from the clutches of all these ex players influencing decisions from outside.
I hope United board somehow ban all these ex players from even attending the games, throw that Fletcher guy out as well.
 
Dan_F said:
Neville has been complaining about Pogba for ages, not sure what you’re on about. So much so that sections of our fan base were criticising him for it.
Click to expand...
Neville has been slobbering all over Pogba for years until recently. The clown has said many times in the past, that we should keep changing tactics until we find one that allows Pogba to shine. There's a reason he was such a failure at Valencia. The mans a complete twat.
 
He thinks we were going somewhere with Ole at the end of last year. Most reasonable people could see the chickens were coming home to roost.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Gary is angry on the mess which his mate left and who he defended till the end.
Click to expand...
Gary doesn’t call for managers to be sacked so this is just the consequences of keeping someone on for far too long. Gary should be giving leeway to the players for such nonsense.
 
He's a fan like most of us
He's got friends and allegiances which you would expect

He tries to stay partial and professional but Sometimes it leads to going the other way completely. However he must have felt like most of us yesterday having to commentate on that against our biggest rivals whilst having Carragher there for him

Most of what he said was spot on.
 
Just watched his reaction to ETH appointment. Apparently he can't get exited, because how poor we have been!?

He gets exited by russian mobsters and dictators putting money in to football but not an exciting manager to the club he supports?! The man is a fool.
 
The post match Liverpool debate, I thought he was right. However, its a pretty obvious analysis to any Manchester United fan.

The Woodward Era was almost like one giant PR scheme. Signing Pogba, Sanchez and the like, focusing on big names, ignoring how they'd fit into the team. But giving them a cult status that gave them power over their managers. Look at how divided the fanbase is over Pogba. Frankly, he's been a disaster for United. Every international break has his name involved in smearing the club in some way(Raiola comments come back to him, make no mistake). Normally, that would put a player at odds with the fans, as it's seeming to now, but instead for the vast majority there's been war over the club letting the player down or the player letting the club down.
No club of our size ever lets a player down. You should be proud of the fact that you play here. People will be proud to have you here if you show your true quality time and time again. Instead, our PR seems to have superceded the actual club and suddenly all these players think they're far bigger than us, not listening to managers, talking about how miserable it is to play here, etc. In what world do you come into the media and describe how you hate working for the company you're at.

Back to the point. The last decade, every thing we've done has been like one large PR scheme, with all the antics, and nothing being shown on the pitch, and the players have reflected that. The robotic and predictable media comments after lacklustre and heartless performances.
If you had to describe us under Woodward, you're say big talkers but couldn't back it up. That mentality went through the club from top to bottom.
Under Fergie and Gill, you'd have called us obsessive winners. That mentality again would infect the club from top to bottom. If you weren't with it, get out.

It all starts at the top and the decisions being made. But hopefully, with Rangnick and Murtough we can look at changing the dynamic around the club.
 
Dante said:
Just like he defended LvG. And Mourinho. And now he's defending Rangnick as well.
Click to expand...
And he is right for defending them and something we should do to. We know where problem have been and still is. And that is not managers.
 
A bit like in the Keane thread, I'm not sure why people get so annoyed with him. I think he's right in a sense to be a bit cautious because he knows who is running this club and that 4 of the last 5 managers (Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ralf) have moaned about the structure in place here, with seemingly a lot of justification.

He's a fan with an opinion just like the rest of us. I mean ok, when he was on about the Moyes appointment being "a victory for sanity in football" or kept going on about United DNA and stuff it can get a bit irritating but it's his opinion.
 
Irwin99 said:
A bit like in the Keane thread, I'm not sure why people get so annoyed with him. I think he's right in a sense to be a bit cautious because he knows who is running this club and that 4 of the last 5 managers (Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ralf) have moaned about the structure in place here, with seemingly a lot of justification.

He's a fan with an opinion just like the rest of us. I mean ok, when he was on about the Moyes appointment being "a victory for sanity in football" or kept going on about United DNA and stuff it can get a bit irritating but it's his opinion.
Click to expand...

He’s a moron, and a massive tit, i think that explains why people get annoyed with him.
 
MattofManchester said:
The post match Liverpool debate, I thought he was right. However, its a pretty obvious analysis to any Manchester United fan.

The Woodward Era was almost like one giant PR scheme. Signing Pogba, Sanchez and the like, focusing on big names, ignoring how they'd fit into the team. But giving them a cult status that gave them power over their managers. Look at how divided the fanbase is over Pogba. Frankly, he's been a disaster for United. Every international break has his name involved in smearing the club in some way(Raiola comments come back to him, make no mistake). Normally, that would put a player at odds with the fans, as it's seeming to now, but instead for the vast majority there's been war over the club letting the player down or the player letting the club down.
No club of our size ever lets a player down. You should be proud of the fact that you play here. People will be proud to have you here if you show your true quality time and time again. Instead, our PR seems to have superceded the actual club and suddenly all these players think they're far bigger than us, not listening to managers, talking about how miserable it is to play here, etc. In what world do you come into the media and describe how you hate working for the company you're at.

Back to the point. The last decade, every thing we've done has been like one large PR scheme, with all the antics, and nothing being shown on the pitch, and the players have reflected that. The robotic and predictable media comments after lacklustre and heartless performances.
If you had to describe us under Woodward, you're say big talkers but couldn't back it up. That mentality went through the club from top to bottom.
Under Fergie and Gill, you'd have called us obsessive winners. That mentality again would infect the club from top to bottom. If you weren't with it, get out.

It all starts at the top and the decisions being made. But hopefully, with Rangnick and Murtough we can look at changing the dynamic around the club.
Click to expand...

Weird rant. How was Pogba and Sanchez PR signings? They were both very much wanted by the manager.
 
jackal&hyde said:
Just watched his reaction to ETH appointment. Apparently he can't get exited, because how poor we have been!?

He gets exited by russian mobsters and dictators putting money in to football but not an exciting manager to the club he supports?! The man is a fool.
Click to expand...
Clearly didnt do a day's training with him 6 years ago
 
For a man who is seemingly so disliked and whose opinions are bullshit, he sure does get an awful lot of attention.
 
Have to admit the Gary Neville podcast after the Liverpool game was brilliant.

Gave me goose bumps. Especially after he named a few of my childhood hero’s as warriors!
 
I have no idea why people here dislike Gary. He is United through and through and he is, for me, the best pundit out there by miles
 
mitchmouse said:
I have no idea why people here dislike Gary. He is United through and through and he is, for me, the best pundit out there by miles
Click to expand...

I don't think he's been much of a quality pundit since his early days.
Too opinionated, his take on Abramovich\Abu boys etc etc, he needed Russia to wage war on Ukraine to realize what the actual problem is and then we're back to his opinion being the only truth out there.
His take that Pochettino is the only answer, a narrative that sticks out every single time he talks about Ten Hag, his frustrations over Rashford being benched while neglecting to mention how he's actually performing. His lack of logic is outstanding, really, to the point where he argued that ETH might reconsider taking the job on the basis of how we were performing, but Pochettino who he reckons is a much better option would apparently jump at the chance, great.

His latest narrative on Uniteds failures, going on about the commercial side of the club etc, he's just like any daft fan picking the easy narrative without having much of a clue. We've always maximized opportunities on the commercial side, simply because we have to, we've done it for years including when we were successfull.

He's a hypocritical knob with too many agendas, imo.

People need to understand that this isn't 1's and 0's. Manchester Uniteds failures has little to do with the commercial side, our failure to modernize the club goes back to Fergusons period. He wanted, needed, and had full control of much of the operational side, transfers. When you're performing at the very highest level and obtaining results, it's not always easy to see the need for changes to the structure, changes that wouldn't have been tolerated by fans or Fergie. Can you imagine the reactions if the club restructured to take away parts of Fergies responsibilites, there would've been an uproar and angled towards the managers arms being tied behind his back. Fergies transfers, for an extended period, were dodgy as feck, including some utter bizarre deals via Mendes.

We hired Moyes, similar mold to Ferguson when it comes to need for controlling too much, to the point where he had a negative effect on transfers because he insisted on scouting them on his own. Brendan Rodgers had been at Liverpool for a year, and their transfer committee was an absolute disaster because Brendan Rodgers wanted to be in complete control as well, he loathed them. People were joking about how much of a disaster their setup was, restricting the manager, it was hardly being pointed out how it's the standard every club should follow. Transfers were still a disaster at Liverpool, we hired Van Gaal who didn't mind sharing control but he didn't last long enough, Mourinho wanted complete control and opposed every suggestion of change, and by now Klopp was at Liverpool and he was happy to seek out improving the relationship between manager and Edwards as a sporting director, often praising the work being done signing the right players. Liverpools method went from laughing stock to being the golden standard of how a club should operate.

We followed the same path that made us successfull in the first place, main problem was that we didn't see the need to modernize and change the structure, preparing for Fergusons departure. It's fairly fecking easy to sit here 10 years later and point out what we should've done, just like you should've purchased every stock that goes up, identifying it beforehand is where it gets complicated. We've invested a shit ton of money, just in terms of transfer spending we've spent around £825mill to allow the managers to bring in the players they wanted, we've always had one of the highest wage bills in the world during this period. The club has done it outmost to provide the funds, but we've followed a model that depends far too much on the managers being "one of a kind".

It's not as if the desire to be successfull isn't there, if you'd asked Gary Neville during the early days of Liverpools transfer committe if United should go down the same path it's not hard to guess what his reply would've been.
 
UncleBob said:
I don't think he's been much of a quality pundit since his early days.
Too opinionated, his take on Abramovich\Abu boys etc etc, he needed Russia to wage war on Ukraine to realize what the actual problem is and then we're back to his opinion being the only truth out there.
His take that Pochettino is the only answer, a narrative that sticks out every single time he talks about Ten Hag, his frustrations over Rashford being benched while neglecting to mention how he's actually performing. His lack of logic is outstanding, really, to the point where he argued that ETH might reconsider taking the job on the basis of how we were performing, but Pochettino who he reckons is a much better option would apparently jump at the chance, great.

His latest narrative on Uniteds failures, going on about the commercial side of the club etc, he's just like any daft fan picking the easy narrative without having much of a clue. We've always maximized opportunities on the commercial side, simply because we have to, we've done it for years including when we were successfull.

He's a hypocritical knob with too many agendas, imo.

People need to understand that this isn't 1's and 0's. Manchester Uniteds failures has little to do with the commercial side, our failure to modernize the club goes back to Fergusons period. He wanted, needed, and had full control of much of the operational side, transfers. When you're performing at the very highest level and obtaining results, it's not always easy to see the need for changes to the structure, changes that wouldn't have been tolerated by fans or Fergie. Can you imagine the reactions if the club restructured to take away parts of Fergies responsibilites, there would've been an uproar and angled towards the managers arms being tied behind his back. Fergies transfers, for an extended period, were dodgy as feck, including some utter bizarre deals via Mendes.

We hired Moyes, similar mold to Ferguson when it comes to need for controlling too much, to the point where he had a negative effect on transfers because he insisted on scouting them on his own. Brendan Rodgers had been at Liverpool for a year, and their transfer committee was an absolute disaster because Brendan Rodgers wanted to be in complete control as well, he loathed them. People were joking about how much of a disaster their setup was, restricting the manager, it was hardly being pointed out how it's the standard every club should follow. Transfers were still a disaster at Liverpool, we hired Van Gaal who didn't mind sharing control but he didn't last long enough, Mourinho wanted complete control and opposed every suggestion of change, and by now Klopp was at Liverpool and he was happy to seek out improving the relationship between manager and Edwards as a sporting director, often praising the work being done signing the right players. Liverpools method went from laughing stock to being the golden standard of how a club should operate.

We followed the same path that made us successfull in the first place, main problem was that we didn't see the need to modernize and change the structure, preparing for Fergusons departure. It's fairly fecking easy to sit here 10 years later and point out what we should've done, just like you should've purchased every stock that goes up, identifying it beforehand is where it gets complicated. We've invested a shit ton of money, just in terms of transfer spending we've spent around £825mill to allow the managers to bring in the players they wanted, we've always had one of the highest wage bills in the world during this period. The club has done it outmost to provide the funds, but we've followed a model that depends far too much on the managers being "one of a kind".

It's not as if the desire to be successfull isn't there, if you'd asked Gary Neville during the early days of Liverpools transfer committe if United should go down the same path it's not hard to guess what his reply would've been.
Click to expand...

I'd say the marketing is fine and should leave it as it is.

If footballers are troops finance is the logistic department. Having a great marketing department is helpful for the troops as long as they dont get involved.

Great manager wins you title once in a while but part of our success is due to our commercial behemoth back in the 90s.

In the long run money brings glory. Just like united can simply shrug the past 10 years and buy their way a new team.

Leicester won the league but have no means to sustain their growth.
 


Neville is setting the bar low for EtH. Even lower than he did for LVG, Mourinho, Ole and Rangnick.

Watch him defend Ten Hag every week for the next few years. If it was Pochettino, he'd have wanted a title challenge next season.
 
Dante said:


Neville is setting the bar low for EtH. Even lower than he did for LVG, Mourinho, Ole and Rangnick.

Watch him defend Ten Hag every week for the next few years. If it was Pochettino, he'd have wanted a title challenge next season.
Click to expand...

He wanted Poch. If anything he’d have been more accommodating.
 
Pexbo said:
Why are people moaning about Fletcher again?
Click to expand...
Because he's a Ferguson stooge.

Neville addresses the Poch preference in the video, btw. I assume you haven't watched it because it's 15 minutes long and you replied only 5 minutes after I posted.
 
Dante said:
Because he's a Ferguson stooge.

Neville addresses the Poch preference in the video, btw. I assume you haven't watched it because it's 15 minutes long and you replied only 5 minutes after I posted.
Click to expand...
I was replying to your summary.
 
Dante said:


Neville is setting the bar low for EtH. Even lower than he did for LVG, Mourinho, Ole and Rangnick.

Watch him defend Ten Hag every week for the next few years. If it was Pochettino, he'd have wanted a title challenge next season.
Click to expand...

I mean that's a good thing surely. By setting the bar low we're giving ETH a bit of time and breathing space to build the club as he sees fit. He'd say the same if it were Pochettino btw, the point is the issue stems from the top at the boardroom and executive level.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.