Do people really want or expect pundits to talk purely about what happens on the pitch and not the stuff that happens off the field in football?
Gary Neville
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Who is Gary to tell Mark Clattenberg to resign? It's ludicrous. It's this need to always dramatise and over-sensationalise every incident in the game from Gary that I find irksome.
It's commentating on stuff in the football world. Same as if pundits call for boards to sack managers or fine players or whatever.
I think we expect objectivity. They have been pushing this agenda all season and Sky get to have referees on their show
I agree with everyone saying Gary's self-deprecating stance on his abilities as a footballer is weird and tiresome.
Phil was a good player who couldn't get into the team on a regular basis, left, and became captain of a very good Everton side for many years. Gary was better than Phil which was why he was an undisputed starter for one of the best teams ever. If he was as rubbish as he pretends he was, he'd have been out with Phil and neither of them would've got near an Everton.
Phil was a good player who couldn't get into the team on a regular basis, left, and became captain of a very good Everton side for many years. Gary was better than Phil which was why he was an undisputed starter for one of the best teams ever. If he was as rubbish as he pretends he was, he'd have been out with Phil and neither of them would've got near an Everton.
The more I hear Neville speak, the less I like him.
It's actually a bit crazy just how unlikeable the majority of The Class of 92 has become since retiring.
It's actually a bit crazy just how unlikeable the majority of The Class of 92 has become since retiring.
He is there to give an opinion.
When have you ever seen Gary or another pundit call for a manager to be sacked? It never happens.
But more than that - why is Gary telling Mark Clattenberg, who's employed by Nottingham Forest, to resign? Did he tell Liverpool staff to resign after they wrote to PGMOL after their Spurs game? Did he tell Arteta's lot to resign when they complained about their Newcastle loss and VAR? If Nottingham Forest are embarrassing themselves after their own VAR incident then let them. I don't understand why Gary needs to over-dramatise it, insert himself into the story by calling for resignations. He's quite insufferable.
I don't understand this weird thing he does to downplay how good he was or make out like he was some shit player.
He was the first choice right back at Utd for over a decade while we dominated English football. He was a nailed down first team player for England at every tournament from euro 96 to World Cup 2006. Only missed out in 2002 because he broke his foot.
Why does he keep making out like he was some nobody? It's bizarre.
He was the first choice right back at Utd for over a decade while we dominated English football. He was a nailed down first team player for England at every tournament from euro 96 to World Cup 2006. Only missed out in 2002 because he broke his foot.
Why does he keep making out like he was some nobody? It's bizarre.
And he is getting the "opinions" on him here
Which is its ok to come and moan about the ref on a Sky interview but not on Twitter. Ok
Rio said Ole should lose his job. Lots said Potter should be sacked etc.
He risks losing credibility amongst other referees by standing by the Forest statement and questioning the integrity of officials and insinuate cheating.
I don't agree with everything Neville says but the job of a pundit isn't to just talk about what happens on the pitch, it's to speak about everything and to give your opinion of it.
I assume he is saying that it's fine to moan about poor refereeing but to insinuate cheating crosses the line. I think that's fair enough as an opinion.
I used to think Neville was a decent pundit when he first started but ( like many ) he's turned into a right Sky shill these days.
I think he can still be good on things like the Overlap but I'm not sure why people expect anything but drama when it's a match event. That's the whole point of what Sky wants in the pre-match and post-match chats.
No that isn’t what he said. He said the manager should say it on Sky and pay the fine. The club shouldn’t go and say it on social media and take action, he also was referring to Arsenal and Pool.
Also with regards to insinuating cheating we already had this conversation before. Forest are within their rights to call out conflicts of interests especially ones they referred to PGMOL before the game. If people interpret that as insinuating cheating thats up to them. There are conflict of interest rules for a reason
I don't recall Rio saying Ole should lost his job. When did he say this?
And specifically, when has Gary himself called for a manager to be sacked?
Clattenberg is literally employed by Notttingham Forest...do you think he's going to go against his employer's wishes?
He said on vibe with five and then said on TNT too. Did it in a way of trying to be as respectful as possible about it but said it nonetheless.
I never said Gary did, I specifically spoke about pundits in general as they are employed to give their opinions.
Who knows what Clattenberg would, should or could do. The point is that Neville is giving his opinion on something in the world football which was my point in the first place.
On the topic of "questioning the integrity" and "insinuate cheating" accusation on the Forest tweet, isn't every commentator looking at a tumble in the box and saying "Not much in that" or "Has easily gone to ground", questioning the integrity of the player and calling him a cheat?
Think it is a bit over the top to suddenly be horrified and start using words like mafia and stuff about it.
Think it is a bit over the top to suddenly be horrified and start using words like mafia and stuff about it.
Right, but his broader point was that he thinks moaning about poor refereering is fine but insinuating cheating is not.
There's a huge difference between a player is cheating to help their own side and a ref cheating to help a side.
That not what I got from it. He hardly mentioned insinuating cheating. Also IMO he is wrong on that anyway. Calling out conflicts of interest is perfectly valid.
I'll take your word for it re Rio, because I cba to check.
But Gary hasn't really told anyone to resign...other than an employee of a club who's criticising VAR.
By all means give an opinion. Calling them a mafia, saying someone should resign because the club is unhappy with officiating is just dumb (from Gary). Like I said, he has a habit of overdramatising pretty much everything these days, and it's why so many people find him insufferable.
He says it in his discussion with Saha and Carragher.
He's called for Woodward to lose his job or questioned why he hasn't before too If I recall.
Well they were criticising the official operating it and insinuating that they've cheated in their initial statement, not the system. In turn, I think the opinion Neville gave for him to resign and his reasonings for that is a fair opinion.
As I said previously to another poster, the whole point of the pre-match and post-match content is the drama and opinion based content, it's what sells and it's what is keeping him in a job. He's doing what he's paid to do.
Mr. G. Neville has form. He once went on a rant about Boris Johnson saying it was 'OK to boo England players'. What he actually said was ' He (Boris) fully respects the right for people to peacefully protest and make their feelings known'. Neville also said Boris had supported players not taking the knee. Wrong again, the statement said 'He (Boris) was more focused on action than gestures'. Does anyone still take the knee? I am not a fan of either of these people especially Boris but Neville twisted the words to suit his own political agenga. His mouth will get him into trouble sooner rather than later. He should keep his Political opinions to himself or choose a different platform to spout them. SKY are happy with it, but they weren't happy with Le Tissier and his views on the Covid vaccine.
Those self-deprecating comments from him aged like milk when you see Alexander-Arnold's performance last night.
I love the overlap. It’s brilliant. And I appreciate what Gary has created.
I generally have enjoyed his punditry and opinions as well.
But more recently however, I’m finding that Gary is really starting to annoy me
I find he gives his opinions as fact
He asks very leading questions to find answers that align with his own opinion.
And when the conversation has moved on elsewhere, he brings it back to his opinion and tries to convince the room (for a second time)
the more I watch the overlap the more noticeable it is that the rest get frustrated with him.
He needs to tone it down. He doesn’t have all the answers. He just has very strong opinions.
I generally have enjoyed his punditry and opinions as well.
But more recently however, I’m finding that Gary is really starting to annoy me
I find he gives his opinions as fact
He asks very leading questions to find answers that align with his own opinion.
And when the conversation has moved on elsewhere, he brings it back to his opinion and tries to convince the room (for a second time)
the more I watch the overlap the more noticeable it is that the rest get frustrated with him.
He needs to tone it down. He doesn’t have all the answers. He just has very strong opinions.
I agree with this. He is becoming more and more forceful with his ideas as though alternative lines of thinking are bogus. I was dissapointed with his reaction to the Forest statement in relation to his staunch support of PGMOL and complete disbelief in the possibility that someone could be swayed by who they support. Everyone is human and the slightest bit of allegiance can influence your decision making. I wonder how he would feel if he was on the end of some of this nonsense as a player.
I get what he means about those defenders who are asked to step into midfield. Gary would have struggled with that.
But that's a handful of fullbacks who are asked to play that way. The vast majority play the role as Gary did. So he'd have been just fine in the modern game.
Put this clown out of his misery. Just shouts out absolute gibberish for 90 mins.
Is it just my tv or is he looking incredibly orange on tonight's MNF?
Well he is a property developer, owns a hotel and sticks his nose into politics.
All he needs now is to play golf, have a trophy wife and be sued by a porn star.
#BudgetTrump.
Golf: tick
Punching well above his weight: tick
Now where's that porn star with an expose?
Now where's that porn star with an expose?