Gary Neville

B20 said:
I didn't add Robben as iirc he only played on the left for Chelsea.

Kanchelskis I am not sure was actually better than Mahrez.
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Thought Robben was right sided at Chelsea. With duff on the left.

Kanchelskis was mega. Bias with him being my fav player but he was rapid, strong, finish with both feet, technically sound. Somewhat restricted…playing 442 in 90s. If he was part of a front 3 in the modern football age, he’d be unreal
 
tenpoless said:
He had a huge stake at Valencia, went pretty well
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Have you never made a mistake/s in your life? I’ve never met a person who hasn’t. For me he’d be a great addition as an owner. Obviously opinions differ but we’re all entitled to give them.
 
This dweeb saying what a bad time it was to announce the INEOS thing was funny. Nice 9 day break between games, new year, new start, that meeting that people seem to be positive about, Jan window opening...when else should they have announced it I wonder.
 
TwoSheds said:
This dweeb saying what a bad time it was to announce the INEOS thing was funny. Nice 9 day break between games, new year, new start, that meeting that people seem to be positive about, Jan window opening...when else should they have announced it I wonder.
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I’d have thought they announced it as soon as they were able to. If they had held it back for “PR” reasons* it would almost certainly have been leaked.

* and what would have been the point, other than to forestall criticism from GNev? When does he think would have been the right time?

I still really like him, and thought he came across well on the Beckham mini-series. But there’s no doubt he talks a lot of shite.
 
TwoSheds said:
This dweeb saying what a bad time it was to announce the INEOS thing was funny. Nice 9 day break between games, new year, new start, that meeting that people seem to be positive about, Jan window opening...when else should they have announced it I wonder.
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I missed that. Why was he saying it was bad timing?
 
Withnail said:
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Yeah but what was his rationale?

EDIT: I had a look. He didn't even say why he just threw it out there like everyone would agree.

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Only thing I can think of was that it was on a Sunday on Christmas Eve so much of the media could not really scrutinise it.
 
Most likely NOT from United welfare POV, because for us, the sooner the better and preferably for INEOS to have more time to decide about this January window.
 
He’s the fecking worst when it comes to commentating on Utd games. Such a negative bastard all the time. You’d think we were losing this game if you were only listening to him droning on.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
He’s the fecking worst when it comes to commentating on Utd games. Such a negative bastard all the time. You’d think we were losing this game if you were only listening to him droning on.
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It’s like he’s reading out a transcript from the match day thread.
 
I like how he tried to take away the one two between hoijlund and rashford and it took him a few replays to realise it was a good connection between the two and his first thought was it was lucky
 
All season Arsenal were winning the league, then it's Liverpool, then City, now Spurs will finish 2nd or 3rd. Contradiction after contradiction.
When Jamie Redknapp is talking more sense than you thats really saying something
 
He was constantly banging on about the injuries to the Spurs team yet we’ve been absolutely decimated by injuries all season even worse than Spurs and you barely hear a peep out of any of them about it. It’s always “they’ve spent x amount on the squad so should be able to cope”, “just get on with it” etc… the double standards are an absolute joke.
 
Withnail said:
He's now claiming Spurs when they get their players back can be better than Arsenal and Pool.
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Last year they had Kane and were practically midtable. I think most commentators get their minds wiped every summer because I think he's basing that on the start of the season.
 
Withnail said:
He's now claiming Spurs when they get their players back can be better than Arsenal and Pool.
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He seems to be falling into the pundit trap of always needing an attention seeking opinion. No middle ground, only extremes.
 
You can argue he’s not technically saying anything wrong/incorrect…but his need to discredit everything United do is a little strange.
 


Commentary might be garbage but his post match assessments are usually on the money. He highlights a good point in the panel with Jamie and Roy with the performances this season being the biggest issue for United not the results. The evidence of this being more inclined to the seasons failings is due to the lack of consistency. A team that performs well and encounters poor results is usually periodic but what we have seen is a stagnation from last year February.
 
At the end of the day Gary Neville is a United fan. And his commentary might be unbearably negative but it’s not even close to being as unbearably negative as most of the United fans on this website. Particularly in a match day thread. So it’s a bit rich to see his negativity being criticised by redcafe members.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
At the end of the day Gary Neville is a United fan. And his commentary might be unbearably negative but it’s not even close to being as unbearably negative as most of the United fans on this website. Particularly in a match day thread. So it’s a bit rich to see his negativity being criticised by redcafe members.
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Well, strange that it needs saying but you expect a bit more from someone who's being paid to commentate on the game than from the average poster in the match day thread. To be honest I'd prefer they didn't have ex players commentating on their own team. It doesn't add anything of value imo.
 
Withnail said:
Well, strange that it needs saying but you expect a bit more from someone who's being paid to commentate on the game than from the average poster in the match day thread. To be honest I'd prefer they didn't have ex players commentating on their own team. It doesn't add anything of value imo.
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Oh I agree with that. I don’t like his commentary on our games just like I loathe our match-day threads on here. Just think the similarities between the two are obvious.
 
Why is he constantly saying that we don't have a sporting director?! We do.
 
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bucky said:
Why is he constantly saying that we don't have sporting director?! We do.
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Because Gary Neville often doesn't know what he is talking about, but has enough self belief to repeat whatever uninformed nonsense he likes without fact checking.

He is like that old mate you don't have the heart to cut out of your life because he's a decent enough person deep down, is occasional good comic relief (even if he doesn't realise it) and you go way back, but you've basically realised is a whingebag drama queen who never shuts up. You'll go for a pint with him a couple of times a year and put it up with it, but if you met him for the first time today you probably wouldn't like him.

His takes are really awful at times, and I was curling up in embarrassment watching him playback his predictions for the season with Jamie every week on MNF last year as they were so wildly off the mark and yet he didn't have the self awareness to laugh at how bad they were or realise that everyone was laughing at him.

Any wisdom he has is through lived experience playing alongside and under the very best in the game for 15+ years. Anything he's coming up with himself might be rooted in this acquired knowledge, hence him occasionally talking sense, but whenever he starts to apply his own spin he often talks utter shit.
 
flameinthesun said:
What did he say that you found wrong yesterday?
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It's actually what he doesn't say. He rambles on about their injury issues and doesn't even mention our even worse issues. If you hand this injury crisis to any manager in world football for the length it has been given to Ten Hag, lets see how they do. He's overly negative about united and overly positive about Spurs. You would think they won 4-0 last night the way he goes on.
 
SuperiorXI said:
It's actually what he doesn't say. He rambles on about their injury issues and doesn't even mention our even worse issues. If you hand this injury crisis to any manager in world football for the length it has been given to Ten Hag, lets see how they do. He's overly negative about united and overly positive about Spurs. You would think they won 4-0 last night the way he goes on.
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I do think our injury record definitely goes under reported and is almost mentioned as an afterthought, however credit has to be given to Ange for also going through a similar injury record whilst still managing to get his team to implement his tactics and style of play. Yeah they haven't won anything but in the context of both teams having injuries, one manager being there half a season the other 2 seasons, one being a bigger club, Ange is performing way above Ten Hag on pretty much every aspect. So I think he deserves to be recognised for that. At the end of the day the reality is if on that game you ask me who would you want United to play like, Ange's way or Ten Hag's, its hard for me to say Ten Hag right now.
 
SuperiorXI said:
It's actually what he doesn't say. He rambles on about their injury issues and doesn't even mention our even worse issues. If you hand this injury crisis to any manager in world football for the length it has been given to Ten Hag, lets see how they do. He's overly negative about united and overly positive about Spurs. You would think they won 4-0 last night the way he goes on.
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It's annoying to listen too, I agree, but in fairness I think it's coming from a position as a fan. It's like the matchday thread in here, but on Sky (and censored a bit of course). If we were doing well it would probably be better, but its just the case that we've been (relative to his time here) pants since he's been on Sky. It does feel Neville forces it to be overly positive about our opposition, and especially the bigger teams, where you can imagine he'd love nothing more than to be making digs but he can't because of how we are.

I'm not sure if it's worse than people getting overly impressed every time 'Trent' or 'Mo' make a five yard pass, that's equally annoying from the other side.
 
flameinthesun said:
I do think our injury record definitely goes under reported and is almost mentioned as an afterthought, however credit has to be given to Ange for also going through a similar injury record whilst still managing to get his team to implement his tactics and style of play. Yeah they haven't won anything but in the context of both teams having injuries, one manager being there half a season the other 2 seasons, one being a bigger club, Ange is performing way above Ten Hag on pretty much every aspect. So I think he deserves to be recognised for that. At the end of the day the reality is if on that game you ask me who would you want United to play like, Ange's way or Ten Hag's, its hard for me to say Ten Hag right now.
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It's apples and oranges in my opinion. Ange has came into a club that is structured in the correct way. Like any club, they can have the wrong manager in place, but Tottenham have a good structure and good ownership in place. On top of that, the expectations and pressures for Tottenham are far less than they are at United. In addition to this, Tottenham's injuries have only recently become extensive, we have been dealing with the crisis all season which makes it even more difficult to get going.

Question for you, do you think that if you swapped Ten Hag and Ange around we would be playing much better?
 
SuperiorXI said:
It's apples and oranges in my opinion. Ange has came into a club that is structured in the correct way. Like any club, they can have the wrong manager in place, but Tottenham have a good structure and good ownership in place. On top of that, the expectations and pressures for Tottenham are far less than they are at United. In addition to this, Tottenham's injuries have only recently become extensive, we have been dealing with the crisis all season which makes it even more difficult to get going.

Question for you, do you think that if you swapped Ten Hag and Ange around we would be playing much better?
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Good question, I think Ange would definitely be performing worse than he currently is at Spurs. However, I think Ange is performing above what is expected from him at spurs even given the structure and I think Ten Hag is currently performing worse than expected given the structure.
 
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