Gary Neville

It's apples and oranges in my opinion. Ange has came into a club that is structured in the correct way. Like any club, they can have the wrong manager in place, but Tottenham have a good structure and good ownership in place. On top of that, the expectations and pressures for Tottenham are far less than they are at United. In addition to this, Tottenham's injuries have only recently become extensive, we have been dealing with the crisis all season which makes it even more difficult to get going.

Question for you, do you think that if you swapped Ten Hag and Ange around we would be playing much better?
That was absolutely not the narrative over recent years though. Spurs fans wanted Levy out and pundits were calling for him to step down too iirc. Spurs recruitment, managerial appointments etc was all being criticised extensively. When Djed Spence came in people were saying Spurs are making decisions without Contes say so. Like come on, why are this forum constantly recreating situations and history to absolve Ten Hag of his disgraceful management this season.
 
That was absolutely not the narrative over recent years though. Spurs fans wanted Levy out and pundits were calling for him to step down too iirc. Spurs recruitment, managerial appointments etc was all being criticised extensively. When Djed Spence came in people were saying Spurs are making decisions without Contes say so. Like come on, why are this forum constantly recreating situations and history to absolve Ten Hag of his disgraceful management this season.
The running of Spurs over the last decade vs United is night and day, I don't think anyone would dispute that.
 
At the end of the day Gary Neville is a United fan. And his commentary might be unbearably negative but it’s not even close to being as unbearably negative as most of the United fans on this website. Particularly in a match day thread. So it’s a bit rich to see his negativity being criticised by redcafe members.
Of course you’d never do such a thing…Unless he criticised Bruno :lol:


I interpreted it as a "hurry the feck up" gesture to the ref. Either way, interpreting it as him demanding to be subbed is mental.

You get the impression that pundits like Neville invested so much emotional energy defending Ole that he's been desperate to find any way possible to criticise the club/team/manager/players since Ole got the sack. That persistent negativity has been a real feature of his commentary this season and it's tedious as feck. You could put intermittent negativity down to normal fan frustrations in previous seasons but it feels much more like an agenda now.
 
The running of Spurs over the last decade vs United is night and day, I don't think anyone would dispute that.
Purely because Tottenham had relative success in the first part of that decade. And by success I don’t mean winning trophies but for them top 4 , CL final, great football etc.
But in the last 5 years where spurs have gone through lots of managers, bad signings and poor football, Levy has absolutely been crucified. You see things through a United scope so you may think it’s worse here but I assure you Spurs fans have been vitriolic towards him as much as we have with the glazers.

Anywhere here’s a thread

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/can-we-talk-about-how-bad-daniel-levy-is-for-spurs-yet.463390/page-6

And here’s a post from one of the most vocal spurs fans on here.


I wish he would feck off out of my club. I've been saying this for years now. There will be huge calls for him to leave at the Utd match on Thursday. The atmosphere around the club is toxic and almost every supporter hates him now.
 
He is Fergie era McTominay. Survive at all cost
Fergie is probably still mad that because of him we didn't get "Tractor".

Beckham and Zanetti would terrorize that right side for years.
 
He is Fergie era McTominay. Survive at all cost
Fergie is probably still mad that because of him we didn't get "Tractor".

Beckham and Zanetti would terrorize that right side for years.

Neville was key to the RHS for years. He wasn't first choice for Manchester United for over a decade by accident.
 
He is Fergie era McTominay. Survive at all cost
Fergie is probably still mad that because of him we didn't get "Tractor".

Beckham and Zanetti would terrorize that right side for years.

What a dreadful take, Neville was a fantastic right back and the best in the league for a long time.
 
He is Fergie era McTominay. Survive at all cost
Fergie is probably still mad that because of him we didn't get "Tractor".

Beckham and Zanetti would terrorize that right side for years.

Assume you're a younster.
No one who was around at the time would write something so utterly daft.

You're comparing a guaranteed starter for the best English team of the time and England, to a fairly limited player from a period we're in a a state of disarray.
 
He is Fergie era McTominay. Survive at all cost
Fergie is probably still mad that because of him we didn't get "Tractor".

Beckham and Zanetti would terrorize that right side for years.
:lol:

You have no idea, do you.
 
There's a weird revisionism on his career, probably because he jokes about being terrible a lot. But he was very good, you don't play for that united side that many times if you're not a top player.
 
Gary was a fairly stellar RB back then. He was a great crosser and a good defender. Not necessarily the best but he was in the Top 10 in the world for his position at his peak.
 
There's a weird revisionism on his career, probably because he jokes about being terrible a lot. But he was very good, you don't play for that united side that many times if you're not a top player.
+1

He was a much better player than he personally thinks he was, he also knew his limitations, he wasn't the best RB in the world but he was a great team player, and he hated Scousers, we don't/didn't need more!
 
I wish we had a full back as good and as consistent as Neville was these days. Probably one poor season in his prime (99-00) but for the rest up until his big injury he was a very solid full back. None of this 'good one year, crap or injured the next' we put up with now.
 
He is Fergie era McTominay. Survive at all cost
Fergie is probably still mad that because of him we didn't get "Tractor".

Beckham and Zanetti would terrorize that right side for years.
Ever wondered why you're still a newbie?
 
Alex Ferguson and Terry Venables knew more about football than I'll ever know, and they thought Neville was good enough to start for them.
 
Love how Gary Neville completely underplays Rashford's performances:

"He's had a little bit of a dip in his performance in this moment in time"
 
There's a weird revisionism on his career, probably because he jokes about being terrible a lot. But he was very good, you don't play for that united side that many times if you're not a top player.
Kind of annoys me how that's become a thing. I know it's light hearted banter, but I do find it strange.
 
He is Fergie era McTominay. Survive at all cost
Fergie is probably still mad that because of him we didn't get "Tractor".

Beckham and Zanetti would terrorize that right side for years.
And Fergie was a Guardiola era Ten Hag who would continue to play that McTominay, even though he was not good at what he does.
Am i doing this right?
 
Loads of people these days say he wasn't very good and they mean it. I expect it is mostly people who never saw him or only saw the very end of his career when he seemed to be inexplicably running through invisible treacle.

He was a fantastic player for most of his career and rarely let us down, was brilliant in attack as well with Beckham.
 
Completely reasonable and measured response to be fair, though no doubt plenty will be getting their pitchforks at the ready.
It is a reasonable response but that’s the point. If this was a Pogba or a Martial he’d be hysterical in his response. We’ve seen it before. He’d be calling it treason and demanding they be banished from the club. It’s hard to take someone seriously when they’re so transparent in their biases.
 
He is Fergie era McTominay. Survive at all cost
Fergie is probably still mad that because of him we didn't get "Tractor".

Beckham and Zanetti would terrorize that right side for years.
It takes some doing to post something so utterly bizarre you have to read it over and over again to make sure you weren’t seeing things, one of the strangest posts ever and giving us newbs a bad name!
 
You all got worked for mediocre player.
Peter
Neville Stam Johnsen Irvin
Beckham Scholes Keane Giggs
Cole Yorke

Two players are not like another ones.
Zanetti was so close to OT, but Morrati had weak spot for Giggs and it get complicated. Fergie wasn't stupid, he always wanted some "international flair" aka Batistuta, Salas, Zamorano, Zanetti, Ronaldhino ect.
I respect G Nev for his professionalisam but he was meh.
Lauren was better RB.
 
You all got worked for mediocre player.
Peter
Neville Stam Johnsen Irvin
Beckham Scholes Keane Giggs
Cole Yorke

Two players are not like another ones.
Zanetti was so close to OT, but Morrati had weak spot for Giggs and it get complicated. Fergie wasn't stupid, he always wanted some "international flair" aka Batistuta, Salas, Zamorano, Zanetti, Ronaldhino ect.
I respect G Nev for his professionalisam but he was meh.
Lauren was better RB.
Keep digging, you'll be joining @Wibble down under soon
 
Neville's best period came after Beckham left and he actively worked more on his crossing and defensively he was engaged constantly because he knew he had to cover Ronaldo. He was genuinely up there with the best RB's in Europe from 2003-2007 until the big injury which effectively ended him.

But before that, he was a bit of a liability, he would get caught out a lot when he was the back post defender. I don't think it was any secret that SAF was sniffing around Zanetti and Sagnol at the turn of the millennium. It was an obvious area to upgrade.
 
It is a reasonable response but that’s the point. If this was a Pogba or a Martial he’d be hysterical in his response. We’ve seen it before. He’d be calling it treason and demanding they be banished from the club. It’s hard to take someone seriously when they’re so transparent in their biases.
If this was Martial then I doubt he'd care much considering he's not a key player. If this was Pogba then he would be hysterical, however Pogba made a rod for his own back by having Raiola publicly saying he wants to leave United (on multiple occasions) on the eve of our most important games.