Or maybe he just truly believes the problem lays beyond the manager.
Yeah all that's fine and nothing is particularly new.
Gary Neville
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Or maybe he just truly believes the problem lays beyond the manager.
That was a great Overlap. They’ve really called out the players, but disappointed the three Englishman stuck by Rashford and Keane was the lone voice.
I was surprised they all agreed on Fernandes
I was surprised they all agreed on Fernandes
Gary's opinion about Maguire is mind-blowing. "I want to see him under new owners".
Hmmmm
It's easy for them to call out the players, they never played in a bad team. They spent their careers in the very best, under the very best manager. Criticising the players ended Roy Keane's time at Manchester United. I don't think its helpful to have United-dominated media whos only experience was playing in one of the greatest sides of all time. Gary Neville lived an especially charmed life, I'd love to see him in this side.
It’s not rocket science. This is the first time in ten years I am not calling for the coach’s head. And it’s simple, we have a history, we have data. We have tried all types of coaches with all types of characters. Nothing seems to work.
Every coach fails, it has to be beyond that. There is something rotten at the club and it stops with the owners.
Every coach fails, it has to be beyond that. There is something rotten at the club and it stops with the owners.
You've determined that from the objectively poor managers we've had?
Bang on the money for me. If lads want to sack yet another manager work away but the stats have shown us we'll probably be here again in 2 years time
Absolute bollocks this. We most definitely have not tried all types of coaches. Two has beens, a club legend and a coach from a farmers league. Two reactive coaches, a low risk coach and now a coach who I don’t even know what he’s trying to implement.
Exactly. Even if you define with friendlier parlance, we've gone for only one supposed best in class up and comer in the entire post-Fergie era.
LVG was already well known to be beyond his best years by the time we employed him; Mourinho was renowned for his toxicity and 3-year cycles as well as short-termism; Ole was a shot in the dark and Ralf doesn't even count as he was hired to do a different job.
That is not exhausting all and sundry in pursuit of excellence. And even if you do fail with one supposed best in class, you do it again, and again, and again until you get the right one in, like literally all big clubs on the planet do.
What cannot happen from this point forth is them having heavy input in the signings and the squad. They are there to coach and nothing else.
Just admit you’re a right wing nut job and save us all the effort of reading your rubbish.
We haven't tried getting Pep Guardiola
He wouldn’t survive in this side for one reason; the fans. Unless you’re Cafu you’re not good enough
Here is the thing which is strange to me; as you said, they played under best manager in history. And they are all wanking on Pep and Klopp. So they should be perfectly aware how much manager is important. And yet, they all backed Solskjaer and they all refuse now to blame Erik.
Fans opinion is based on results.. When we are winning, all players are "world class". When we are losing, all are dross.
Yeah this is the bit I just can’t comprehend. It’s not even big clubs it’s basically every club.
What makes us so special that we can’t just go through this process of changing managers until you get a successful one. And it doesn’t even need to necessarily be one who wins the league every year but we should be in the top 4 every year and every manager we’ve had has either failed to do this or got to the stage of a season where it’s obvious it wouldn’t happen.
I agree on the second bit too but you just know what our fanbase is like. They’ll then start complaining that the manager hasn’t been backed or allowed his own signings if it goes tits up.
On topic Neville makes me laugh. His lack of self awareness at times is astonishing. He literally runs Salford moreoreless the same way. Since becoming a football league club the managers have been getting one season and then when there’s no improvement the following year/no promotion- he then sacks the manager. rinse repeat. Maybe the Salford owners are as bad as the United owners. Salford got to the playoffs last year (which was good) they’re now well off the pace. I can say with absolute certainty they will have sacked this manager by the end of the January transfer window.
Bolded is true but I reference big clubs because they are so much more in the spotlight and therefore seen as the more cuthroat and ruthless unless special cases like Watford's come along. The reality is we're well out of the loop when it comes to modernisation and we are an extremely special case in the whole of football because all of our true success came at the hands of only two managers in the post-war era, which massively skews perception of the time managers are likely to get to make their mark in the real world. Ideally another torch bearer comes along and runs us for 10,15, 20 years, but the more realistic line of thought is we're now like everyone else and have to cycle heartily, like they do, to get the right one in. What you don't do is just stop or rest on your laurels or attribute time to lost causes as that only worsens the rot and wastes invaluable time and money. You cut off the rotten limb before it infects the rest of the proverbial body.
Backing the right one is also what all clubs do. Once satisfied, clubs will settle on their manager and let them have at it so long as they stick to the remit by which they're employed.
Neville is a hypocrite living in a very rose-tinted bubble as an ex-player who had an entire career under undoubtedly the best manager of all time at nurturing an entire club and protecting every soul under his umbrella. His perception of reality is that all manager have this power, by which he actually does the great man a huge disservice, because it's a very rare trait indeed and certainly not seen to the extent of Fergie's magical sleeves. We're talking the Messi/Maradona/Pele bracket of managers here; it's literally stupid to compare others to him. So far as Gary being an owner, it's either cognitive dissonance or he's got a leaning toward being a politician. He's never called out on the point you made, and it would be very interesting to see how he'd rebut that statement of fact.
I would say the vast majority of our legends who knew nothing but legends as managers (Keane with Clough and SAF), have little awareness of what they're talking about. It should be put to them whether the affiliate nations should have stuck with their shocking managers, too. See how Keane answers then or Neville who both experienced a world apart from the flawless ship Fergie ran with the likes of McCarthy and Capello etc. respectively. They're never probed when it comes to the management discussion and it makes a lot of what they say redundant, especially if they're only referencing best in class and not the terrible bosses they suffered under.
Nah, one thing I’ve learnt from these boards, United fans are never happy
Like SAF was.
He's going to be insufferable this weekend with the Super League rearing its head again. Expect pontificating about the working man/woman, local club, heart and soul etc. when he's just saying it all to appease Sky.
yes very probably, looking all serious and sombre. He's probably looking at his thesaurus right now to see what kind of big words he can use!I can't stand when he decides to be Che Neville, Man of the People.
"At this moment in time..."
Preceded with a bit of a silence, a stern look, a sigh even maybe, and then ponctification.
EDIT: he won't actually be wrong (the ESL is a stupid idea), but his sanctimonious approach is just so fake and disingenuous, it'll be funny.
"Truly awful timing" because Sky don't have another game until next weekend so this will be old news by the time his obnoxious voice can talk about it live on tv? He's such a miserable sourpuss.
Checkmate.
Salford will be onto their 5th manager since we had Mourinho.
Must be an ownership problem as you can’t keep sacking the managers.
In fairness it's not like he is the sole owner is it. For all we know he didn't want to sack the manager.
Unlikely to be the case though considering how shite Salford are.
yeah he’s not but he steers the wheel. Peter Lim probably isn’t too bothered about Salford when he’s got Valencia.
I’d watch the Salford documentary if you haven’t (it’s a good watch) but everything begins and ends with Neville. He was constantly digging out the manager in one of the episodes when they were doing okayish too.
Butt is in charge at Salford now, Neville stepped back over a year ago.
Fair decision anyway, they have one of the top budgets in League 2 but are in a relegation battle.
Fair decision anyway, they have one of the top budgets in League 2 but are in a relegation battle.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gary-neville-quits-salford-city-28373860.amp
Yeah you’re right, I had no idea
I’ll let him off with that sacking. Not the others though or the way the club was running previously. And yeah on the face of it was a justified sacking. Shocked it took that long actually. Although makes sense now…. Nev wasn’t there !
Sure he still manages to give his opinion! With Wood being ex-United they might possibly have given him a little longer as well.https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gary-neville-quits-salford-city-28373860.amp
Yeah you’re right, I had no idea
I’ll let him off with that sacking. Not the others though or the way the club was running previously. And yeah on the face of it was a justified sacking. Shocked it took that long actually. Although makes sense now…. Nev wasn’t there !
The latest series on Sky has just started actually, first one was last night with 2 more parts tonight and tomorrow. Haven't watched it yet but assume that will cover Neville's departure.
He's tough going on United games. Better as a pundit.
about thirty seconds apart he says United just havent settled at all, then says hes infuriated by onana standing on the ball and slowing down a pass. As if not settling and having a goalkeeper slow things a little arent related.
about thirty seconds apart he says United just havent settled at all, then says hes infuriated by onana standing on the ball and slowing down a pass. As if not settling and having a goalkeeper slow things a little arent related.
As if it’s not frustrating enough watching United at the moment, you’ve got fecking Neville whining on all game stating the obvious. We know we’re shite Gary!
He’s a tedious bore.
It’s just a constant moan. Is it because he’s a Utd legend that he thinks he can highjack a game like this?
He's like a lot of us though. This team is an absolute bore to watch and we have nothing to show. He clearly doesn't like most of the players and I don't get the sense he likes ETH much either.
Is it painful to listen to? But the United games are a chore to watch too
Is it painful to listen to? But the United games are a chore to watch too
He said Antony can become a Riyad Mahrez type.
This guy is supposed to be an expert pundit? He hasn't a clue about football.
This guy is supposed to be an expert pundit? He hasn't a clue about football.
I sense he’s once again being criticized for saying the exact same things we’re all saying?