Gary Neville - Pundit

lsd said:
It's bizarre some people didn't get that from him. I'm assuming that if you don't get how xenophobic he comes across in so much of his commentary it's because you share the same views.

Either that or other English people just don't hear it in him
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And he had some really low stuff.
1. Blaming Lindelof for Maguire's form
2. Being vocal through media how Henderson needs to replace De Gea
3. During McFred midfield days he was blaming only Fred for everything and not saying a single word against McT
4. Criticized Martial for laziness but never Rashford

His mask definitely slipped last few weeks with Tuchel and Casemiro comments. So yeah; in football terms (i don't know his other views) he is a definition of xenophobe.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
And he had some really low stuff.
1. Blaming Lindelof for Maguire's form
2. Being vocal through media how Henderson needs to replace De Gea
3. During McFred midfield days he was blaming only Fred for everything and not saying a single word against McT
4. Criticized Martial for laziness but never Rashford

His mask definitely slipped last few weeks with Tuchel and Casemiro comments. So yeah; in football terms (i don't know his other views) he is a definition of xenophobe.
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His comments about liverpool aren't great either. If i was to be judgy i'd say hes pretty selective about english people too.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Carragher is tiers above Neville. More funnier, more direct and with way more general knowledge than Neville. Neville showed multiple times how he barely knows players outside top clubs.
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Agree. Not sure if you remember but there was an infamous game in the 2010 World Cup when the BBC pundits, paid for by the British people, were boasting about how they hadn't done any research despite being flown out to Cape Town at our expense. Carragher is a genuine student of the game and was even as a player. It definitely comes across in his punditry.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
And he had some really low stuff.
1. Blaming Lindelof for Maguire's form
2. Being vocal through media how Henderson needs to replace De Gea
3. During McFred midfield days he was blaming only Fred for everything and not saying a single word against McT
4. Criticized Martial for laziness but never Rashford

His mask definitely slipped last few weeks with Tuchel and Casemiro comments. So yeah; in football terms (i don't know his other views) he is a definition of xenophobe.
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Show a bit of respect to a former club captain and our best right back in the EDL sorry I mean EPL era.
 
He is a limited self indulgent pundit who likes the sound of his own voice

Sky sports could do so much better
 
Andycoleno9 said:
His mask definitely slipped last few weeks with Tuchel and Casemiro comments. So yeah; in football terms (i don't know his other views) he is a definition of xenophobe.
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Let's not forget that he pushed for Moyes to take over from SAF because a United must have a British manager because "tradition" or something. Although to be fair that was a very common viewpoint even on here after SAF retired but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

Neville got himself in hot water at one point laying into Pogba every week and people online started accusing him of racism around the time Sterling controversy/BLM rise, and Neville did a 180 and basically only tried to speak positively of Pogba after that, and started predicting him to be in his team of the season every year to prove how non-racist he is, as Carragher sat there laughing at him.

He is a bit boomerish when it comes to football but it's not even just his views on British vs foreign, it extends to tactics, I remember not that long ago he suggested Simeone at United because he sometimes plays 442 and "United are a 442 club", and I remember him and Scholes discussing how United shouldn't be playing out from the back because United fans don't like that.
 
Dominos said:
Let's not forget that he pushed for Moyes to take over from SAF because a United must have a British manager because "tradition" or something. Although to be fair that was a very common viewpoint even on here after SAF retired but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

Neville got himself in hot water at one point laying into Pogba every week and people online started accusing him of racism around the time Sterling controversy/BLM rise, and Neville did a 180 and basically only tried to speak positively of Pogba after that, and started predicting him to be in his team of the season every year to prove how non-racist he is, as Carragher sat there laughing at him.

He is a bit boomerish when it comes to football but it's not even just his views on British vs foreign, it extends to tactics, I remember not that long ago he suggested Simeone at United because he sometimes plays 442 and "United are a 442 club", and I remember him and Scholes discussing how United shouldn't be playing out from the back because United fans don't like that.
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Which is moronic, because we always did under Fergie.
 
Not for the first time but he was intolerable on commentary today. Former player and was like chelsea cheerleader. Wanted Martinez sent off even though it was the same challenge that Bruno did against Spurs and got downgraded to yellow. OTT nonsense about Ugarte for no reason and was talking about Chelsea as if they were some great team. Everytime a United player made a mistake, it was a "lack of coaching" while Chelsea mistakes were just "a lapse in concentration". Funniest part was when he called United's press atrocious after they had won the ball in Chelsea's half 3 times in a row.
 
He was absolutely terrible on co comms today. He tries so hard to not be biased, he cones across as a total ABU.
 
His lack of nuance with United is almost comical, you would think that someone in his inner circle would perhaps give it a mention for a commentator for a national broadcaster but it's strange.

He'll so easily dismiss the Glazers, players, infrastructure etc but will seldom be objective with the managers.
 
Redstain said:
His lack of nuance with United is almost comical, you would think that someone in his inner circle would perhaps give it a mention for a commentator for a national broadcaster but it's strange.

He'll so easily dismiss the Glazers, players, infrastructure etc but will seldom be objective with the managers.
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Whilst he sacks managers at Salford all the time.
 
We have to listen to other pundits blinkered view of their clubs but for some unknown reason, Gary seems to go out his way to be balanced....to the point he goes the complete opposite way.
 
Somebody in the club needs to have a word with him.

What he doesn't realise is his fawning to opposition fans gives legs to all the conspiracies and keeps the criticism of us alive. Anybody thinking we get favourable decisions will look at that tackle and decide if Gary Neville says it was a red card then it must be, despite the fact it was nowhere near and the referee, VAR and referee pundits said it wasn't. Most of the articles about it today are referencing his comments as justification.

If he keeps his mouth shut then it quietly fades away as the yellow card tackle it was.


Aka Jaap Stam was right.
 
11101 said:
Somebody in the club needs to have a word with him.

What he doesn't realise is his fawning to opposition fans gives legs to all the conspiracies and keeps the criticism of us alive. Anybody thinking we get favourable decisions will look at that tackle and decide if Gary Neville says it was a red card then it must be, despite the fact it was nowhere near and the referee, VAR and referee pundits said it wasn't. Most of the articles about it today are referencing his comments as justification.

If he keeps his mouth shut then it quietly fades away as the yellow card tackle it was.


Aka Jaap Stam was right.
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I think it was blatant red card. We got very lucky. Studs up at knee height can't happen in 2024.
 
SuperiorXI said:
Studs up knee height but look at the physics of it, that's not going to seriously injure anyone, will at most scrape the knee and hurt a bit. For a red card you need to consider these things.
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It's reckless challenge and he isn't in control of the outcome. Palmer could have suffered a nasty injury.

Most fans would have been happy to see a Chelsea player sent off if the roles were reversed.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
I think it was blatant red card. We got very lucky. Studs up at knee height can't happen in 2024.
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Studs up is not an automatic red. There needs to be excessive force or dangerous play, a light touch with the toe end of the boot doesn't cut it.
 
Dominos said:
He is a bit boomerish when it comes to football but it's not even just his views on British vs foreign, it extends to tactics, I remember not that long ago he suggested Simeone at United because he sometimes plays 442 and "United are a 442 club", and I remember him and Scholes discussing how United shouldn't be playing out from the back because United fans don't like that.
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That in itself is quite staggering!

Anyone who has watched Simeone play 4-4-2 at Atletico Madrid would clearly know that it's nothing like the way Alex Ferguson played 4-4-2!

For Simeone he does it to nullify the opposition! Im struggling to think of a manager and a style of play less suited to 'the United way' than Diego Simeone!
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
I think it was blatant red card. We got very lucky. Studs up at knee height can't happen in 2024.
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It’s football, all he did was stretch for the ball and very lightly touched the player and immediately pulled his foot away. No danger, no force, it was nothing. “Studs up” means very little because players have to actually lift their feet off the ground to do anything and are not moonwalking around the pitch. I wouldn’t even describe it as a studs up challenge. He didn’t get lucky because it’s literally not a red card challenge by the laws of the game, as confirmed by the ref, VAR check, and Mike Dean on commentary.
 
El Zoido said:
It’s football, all he did was stretch for the ball and very lightly touched the player and immediately pulled his foot away. No danger, no force, it was nothing. “Studs up” means very little because players have to actually lift their feet off the ground to do anything and are not moonwalking around the pitch. I wouldn’t even describe it as a studs up challenge. He didn’t get lucky because it’s literally not a red card challenge by the laws of the game, as confirmed by the ref, VAR check, and Mike Dean on commentary.
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Right... and these things are never wrong.

You're not going to change my mind. Best to move on.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
It's reckless challenge and he isn't in control of the outcome. Palmer could have suffered a nasty injury.

Most fans would have been happy to see a Chelsea player sent off if the roles were reversed.
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No he couldn't, unless his knee joints are paper mache.

It's a yellow definitely, but a red would have been harsh.
 
MaMa given red said:
That in itself is quite staggering!

Anyone who has watched Simeone play 4-4-2 at Atletico Madrid would clearly know that it's nothing like the way Alex Ferguson played 4-4-2!

For Simeone he does it to nullify the opposition! Im struggling to think of a manager and a style of play less suited to 'the United way' than Diego Simeone!
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No one should take Gary Neville's thoughts on tactics seriously.

I think he's still among the better pundits, even if he's insufferable when he commentates our matches, but he's literally admitted that he couldn't keep track of the games when he was Valencia manager. He clearly has no idea how to put a team together on the pitch, or how to get them playing in an effective way, and his thoughts on the matter are all very superficial, which is why he brings up basic formations and vagueries like "the United way".
 
Never a red in my interpretation of "serious foul play" but have seen them given.

But on topic, Neville is definitely getting worse. I don't think he's trying to hide his bias, I think he just views United differently and is overly harsh. Lots of folk on here do the same thing.
 
Carl said:
Never a red in my interpretation of "serious foul play" but have seen them given.

But on topic, Neville is definitely getting worse. I don't think he's trying to hide his bias, I think he just views United differently and is overly harsh. Lots of folk on here do the same thing.
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I don't think he's harsh. He just has dumb takes consistently on most United related topics.

His constant deflecting of blame when it comes to managers is by far the most irritating thing that he does.

Comments like his Rashford take yesterday are tiresome at this point. He's a 27 year old player with almost 9 years worth of first team experience at this stage. Maybe the problem is Rashford at this point. Sterling also started to decline at around 27/28 after early exposure to senior football. At least he has criticised his defensive contribution recently. But I think he needs to stop treating Rashford as a player United must keep.
 
Carl said:
But on topic, Neville is definitely getting worse. I don't think he's trying to hide his bias, I think he just views United differently and is overly harsh. Lots of folk on here do the same thing.
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I think Neville believes he should have been hired by the club in some capacity over the last few years, and it rankles with him that he was ignored, especially during that period where Nicky Butt, Darren Fletcher, etc. were all getting fairly senior backroom roles.

A lot of his punditry contributions come across very much like him attempting to showcase his ideas for the club, rather than necessarily being on topic or appropriate for whatever they're supposed to be discussing in the studio.

The negativity is two-fold, I feel. As well as the above, he is ultimately a United fan, and as an ex-player that won the lot with us, he expects greatness, so it hurts more to see us falling so short of those standards.

Livewire1974 said:
He adores Trent.
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Yeah, he's said some insane stuff in praise of Alexander-Arnold in the past. Often making out like he was some pub-level clogger in comparison.
 
My Liverpool fan colleague even said to me she was confused by what he was saying.
 
Alex99 said:
I think Neville believes he should have been hired by the club in some capacity over the last few years, and it rankles with him that he was ignored, especially during that period where Nicky Butt, Darren Fletcher, etc. were all getting fairly senior backroom roles.

A lot of his punditry contributions come across very much like him attempting to showcase his ideas for the club, rather than necessarily being on topic or appropriate for whatever they're supposed to be discussing in the studio.

The negativity is two-fold, I feel. As well as the above, he is ultimately a United fan, and as an ex-player that won the lot with us, he expects greatness, so it hurts more to see us falling so short of those standards.



Yeah, he's said some insane stuff in praise of Alexander-Arnold in the past. Often making out like he was some pub-level clogger in comparison.
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Neville was a top RB in his era. Especially the early 00's. But full-backs like Neville, Salgado and Tassotti are seen as obsolete by modern standards.

We've had some exceptional right backs over the past 20 years or so. Particularly from a technical/attacking perspective.

Maicon
Lahm
Alves
Walker
Carvajal
Azpilicueta
Kimmich
TAA
R.James (just needs to stay fit)
Hakimi

Neville probably feels inferior from an athletic and technical perspective. He has better defensive awareness than most modern full-backs. Azpilicueta is probably the closest to him in terms of style and stature.
 
He was absolutely awful yesterday. His constant need to show that he isn't biased in United's favour has made him go further and further towards the other extreme. He's turned into an overly negative, insufferable presence on co-comms. I've got to the point where I'd prefer Carragher over him on comms, that's how weird the situation is.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
Neville was a top RB in his era. Especially the early 00's. But full-backs like Neville, Salgado and Tassotti are seen as obsolete by modern standards.

We've had some exceptional right backs over the past 20 years or so. Particularly from a technical/attacking perspective.

Maicon
Lahm
Alves
Walker
Carvajal
Azpilicueta
Kimmich
TAA
R.James (just needs to stay fit)
Hakimi

Neville probably feels inferior from an athletic and technical perspective. He has better defensive awareness than most modern full-backs. Azpilicueta is probably the closest to him in terms of style and stature.
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It's just the way he goes on as if he were some League Two level player, stealing a living at the top level.

The man was our first choice right-back for over a decade, a period in which we were one of the best teams on the planet, and helped us win everything there was to win.
 
I always think it stems from Gary thinking he and the rest of '92 should have played a bigger role in the club post retirement.
 
Marwood said:
I always think it stems from Gary thinking he and the rest of '92 should have played a bigger role in the club post retirement.
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I think this is what SAF ultimately wanted at one point. He's alluded to it in the past. It's that kind of thinking that resulted is Ole being manager.

A bit like the Bayern setup, which featured a lot of former players at one point.

Unfortunately, a lot of our ex players don't seem qualified at all for such high profile positions. Neville is one of the more articulate. There's no way that the likes of Evra, Rio and Scholes could run such a big organisation.

Paul Merson suggested that Neville and Rio should be involved in United's recruitment department. :lol:

Edwin is the only one who is actually qualified and has a good CV.
 
Alex99 said:
It's just the way he goes on as if he were some League Two level player, stealing a living at the top level.

The man was our first choice right-back for over a decade, a period in which we were one of the best teams on the planet, and helped us win everything there was to win.
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exactly, apart from Lahm, youd take G Nev over the rest of the list if you were building a team to actually win things.
 
Superden said:
exactly, apart from Lahm, youd take G Nev over the rest of the list if you were building a team to actually win things.
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I'd take Dani Alves over all of them. The best RB of all time, for me. One of the winningest of all time too.
 
El Zoido said:
It’s football, all he did was stretch for the ball and very lightly touched the player and immediately pulled his foot away. No danger, no force, it was nothing. “Studs up” means very little because players have to actually lift their feet off the ground to do anything and are not moonwalking around the pitch. I wouldn’t even describe it as a studs up challenge. He didn’t get lucky because it’s literally not a red card challenge by the laws of the game, as confirmed by the ref, VAR check, and Mike Dean on commentary.
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Agree similar to Sabitzer few years ago were Sourness was calling for a red.
 
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