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Are people genuinely saying that it wasn't rape?

No matter what is the history between Jaime and Cersei, it was clearly rape.

This is the thing, the actual bloody director is saying it wasn't rape! We're supposed to know it was consensual cuz she sort of looked like she was enjoying it, or something.

So either he's a moron who doesn't know what rape is or he's a really crap director who accidentally made one of the characters a rapist.
 
This is the thing, the actual bloody director is saying it wasn't rape! We're supposed to know it was consensual cuz she sort of looked like she was enjoying it, or something.
For some reason that is what I got from it too. She was really wanting it but stopping him too, but not trying too hard.

It was weird
 
I firstly assumed that she let it happen because she wants Jaime to kill Tyrion and her shagging him makes it more likely he'll do it, but she didn't want to give it to him so easily.

Then I realised how stupid that sounded and what the feck was I thinking and rewatched, concluding it's rape.

Then I see the director says it's not rape but everybody else thinks it is so he's basically just pointlessly turned someone into a rapist.

Anyway, I enjoy Tywin, Tyrion and Oberyn the most currently.
 
While further discussion of what this fictional event meant to the two fictional characters while it happened and what it will mean to their fictional relationship in coming episodes might be interesting, I think that it is probably best to let this one go and just wait to see how the writers and actors play it out.
 
Ffs. It's not complicated. She kissed him back. Therein lies the confusion (from the directors point of view).

Of course this wouldn't stand up in a court of law in a world that isn't fictionally historical. As it is, in this world, it would barely bat an eyelid.

Also that last episode was crap. And I feel cool for saying so.
 
I actually enjoyed the last episode.. The way Tywin takes Tommen under his wings before Cercei can get her claws into him,then the interaction between him and Oberyn.. The weird part of Joffrey's death is Tywin making the Lannisters more stronger with a pliable king..

Thought the only boring part was the Sam and Gilly scenes.. Looks like a war is on near Castle Black as well as Mereen (not sure about the spelling), so something to look forward to in this season..

The cannibals are creepy as feck though..
 
Me too. The way he was trying to work-out the killer in his cell, I'm expecting him to give a Sherlock Holmes style explanation at trial of what really happened.

I'm convinced he'll get out of it. It doesn't make sense for the show to have him locked away.
 
I missed whole of season 3 last year but I'm up to date with this now. Still reeling in shock from the back end of season 3 and I actually miss Joffrey, I liked him. Shame the lad who played him has decided to quit acting so i heard, he played the role really well.

On this episode I didn't mind it, wasn't as good as the opening two but I watched many episodes in quick succession recently I always assume the last 15 minutes feels like a "meanwhile in essos.." Segment. Let's not forget that targayen girl! Yes the one with the infinite army and " I am Daenerys stormborn woman, breaker of chains woman" obligatory speech. She needs knocking down a peg or two, hope someone kidnaps her dragons.
 
I missed whole of season 3 last year but I'm up to date with this now. Still reeling in shock from the back end of season 3 and I actually miss Joffrey, I liked him. Shame the lad who played him has decided to quit acting so i heard, he played the role really well.

On this episode I didn't mind it, wasn't as good as the opening two but I watched many episodes in quick succession recently I always assume the last 15 minutes feels like a "meanwhile in essos.." Segment. Let's not forget that targayen girl! Yes the one with the infinite army and " I am Daenerys stormborn woman, breaker of chains woman" obligatory speech. She needs knocking down a peg or two, hope someone kidnaps her dragons.

:lol: so true
 
The Jaime scene was shocking, handled terribly, and a tad out of place. (Although there had been some indication that this 'no nookie' situation between them was eventually going to come to a head the setting was just plain wrong, but considering they are brother and sister caring about something like that would probably be akin to shutting the stable door after a pair of incestuous horses had already bolted).

Also the 'champion' that challenged Naharis was a load of rubbish, great big city and that's the best they could produce?
 
He was probably the champion the same way that Chelsea were European champions a couple of years ago.
 
Yeah, he was very John Terryish. I just don't get why you would charge at a bloke with a big stick on a bloody horse, when he isn't also on a horse with a big stick. He was having a jousting match with no-one.
 
I think the slow episodes disappoint some because we are all so eager for the next stunning episode. My son has finally been allowed to watch this now that he is 15 and he has watched all but S3E10 onwards in a week. He hasn't disliked the slow episodes because he can just move on to the next episode whereas we can't if up to date.
 
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Jaime's hand grew back.
 
I was rewatching some of the old episodes. Jamie says in episode 2 "even if the boy survives he'd be a cripple, I'll take a nice clean death anyday".

Well karma is a bitch you inbred c*nt.
 
I think the slow episodes disappoint some because we are all so eager for the next stunning episode. My son has finally been allowed to watch this now that he is 15 and he has watched all but S3E10 onwards in a week. He hasn't disliked the slow episodes because he can just move on to the next episode whereas we can't if up to date.

Not at all. I can happily watch a 'slow' episode with interesting characters (there have been plenty of those) but what is tedious is all the dull characters with their tiresome sub plots crammed into 1 episode.
 
Charles Dance - almost single handidly - saved that last episode. He elevates every single scene he's in, to the point where it always feels like you're watching the most important parts of the show when he's on screen. Fantastic character, fantastic actor. Also enjoyed the Tyrion/Pod scene - which was quite touching - and the decent reminder that The Hound is, in fact, still a dick.

But yeah, there was way, way, WAY too much Samwell fecking Tarley for this to be remotely considered as a good episode... he and his las are easily the worst things about this show (Bran, for all his faults, is still a very distant second) be it due to shit acting, shit dialogue, shit characters and a shit storyline... I can barely tolerate one short Samwell apperance, so two fairly long scenes with that fecker and I'm done. Danerys was way too smug in this episode too... she's incredibly one-dimensional for a main character in this show, and her steam-rolling over everyone is starting to become a bit tedious. Would be good if maybe we could get some sort of internal conflict from her (her desire to free people vs. her lust for power perhaps?) or even some sort of army that might pose a threat to her would be nice... also, who's job was it to collect all the slave chains? Poor fecker...

As for the Jaime/Cersie scene... well, I'm sure there are better ways to remind us that Jaime is, in fact, a bellend, but if they're insisting on rape...
 
Nope. Qarth -> Astopor -> Yunkai -> Meeren if I am not wrong.

Yes, but look where she was in season 1!! All she had to do was cross the water. Now she has to trek all the way back to where she was originally.
 
Yes, but look where she was in season 1!! All she had to do was cross the water. Now she has to trek all the way back to where she was originally.
She can't cross the water without ships, hence the exile for her and her brother, doesn't matter where it is as long as they have no ships.

What you are missing is though that she was taken to the dothraki sea, or more precisely Vaes dothrak, which is where she lived with the khal, so from there the route is the one she is following.
 
Saying that isn't rape is in itself a bit of a rapey thing to say. Anyone who says it isn't has definitely got a rape in them.