Why did she go to Meereen? If this world is also round,couldn't she have just crossed the Jade Sea and landed near Casterly Rock??She was in Qarth in season two, so not quite
I am just assuming the map posted above is a circle..
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I am just assuming the map posted above is a circle..
In season 1 she had no dragons and no army and nor was she the queen. They would have been laughed out of Westeros.
It's a weird scene... She says no, but she kisses him back a little, but if the director wanted it to turn from rape to consensual he could have done a much better job of it. I haven't read the books but I guess this is one of those scenes where it would really help to be inside the characters head, it's probably quite hard to shoot a scene where a woman is saying she doesn't want to have sex, but on the inside is also enjoying it or wants it to happen on some level.
It was definitely rape but fecking hell don't overreact too much
Am I the only one who doesn't give a feck if it was or wasn't a rape?
It was rape goddammit, what's wrong with you!?!
Obviously nobody gave a shit when he chucked that kid off of the castle or ordered Ned Starks men killed in the street or stranged his cousin to death.
No. The incest disturbs me more, rape is fairly normal in comparison.
I think it's two issues.
1) no one said those things weren't horrible. If everyone accepted it was rape, we wouldn't have to relitigate this
2) violence against women and rape is a bigger societal issue than kids getting thrown out of towers. TV seems to be full of it these days. Dexter finished last year, Hannibal and The Following have basically built entire shows around it. I'm sure there's more too.
I guess murder and violence in general don't cut it anymore in the "shocking" stakes on TV, which is why rape and violent sexual scenes are depicted more and more.
It was a brutal and horrible scene but that was kinda the point.
I had the same sentiment when I watched the scene, definitely rape. I asked a female friend (airhead) if she agreed she said no. But from the moment she says 'No' once everything after makes it rape. People who are disagreeing (haven't read all the pages) just go to show why women are raped as much as they are. Men seem to think if a woman is attracted to him he can do as he pleases. Jaime had really undergone a transformation as a character after his imprisonment and subsequent loss of his hand and his fighting ability (which defined him) but Cersei brings teh worst out of him. Like he said he loves a hateful woman.
I doubt the actor who lays Tyrion will never top his performance in this series. His words to Podrrick I think he was on charmed too...
I love the way Tywin knew exactly what was going on everywhere. The man who took Sansa, we know it isn't out of caring. I wonder what he wants to do with her.
I can't stand Khalesi and this utter devotion she has obtained from nowhere.
The wilding's are coming!!!
I doubt the actor who lays Tyrion will never top his performance in this series. His words to Podrrick I think he was on charmed too...
I love the way Tywin knew exactly what was going on everywhere. The man who took Sansa, we know it isn't out of caring. I wonder what he wants to do with her.
I can't stand Khalesi and this utter devotion she has obtained from nowhere.
The wilding's are coming!!!
And once you tried it out on her, did she change her mind?
And once you tried it out on her, did she change her mind?
Most agree it wasn't rape, I've done nothing wrong!
And I'm still not okay with them having a go at it in front of their son's dead body, to be honest that's more of a problem for me! Like, have some respect, you know.
Yeah, it's a bit of a weird one.
What's worse? Rape, fecking beside your dead son, or fecking your sister? Oh wait.
What's worse? Rape, fecking beside your dead son, or fecking your sister? Oh wait.
I think it was rape. But since a lot of people came to like Jamie (and kind of believing he is on the good side), they are in a denial.
I don't understand why this can even be under discussion.
I don't understand why this can even be under discussion.
That was disrespectful.Most agree it wasn't rape, I've done nothing wrong!
And I'm still not okay with them having a go at it in front of their son's dead body, to be honest that's more of a problem for me! Like, have some respect, you know.
The discussion really started because the director of the episode said it wasn't rape, that we were supposed to see that she wanted it too. Thing is, obviously a load of people didn't see it like that so the director obviously didn't do a good very good job showing it.
There was rape, incest, brutality, kid tower-chucking, baby killing, etc since season 1. Just because people are just warming up to Jamie and he's supposed to be a good guy now doesn't make his rape scene disrespectful or even shocking. Overreaction.
Why do we people a problem with that scene? It's a show, and just helps build the characters as the cnuts they are.
Steve Buscemi was a paedophile in Con Air ffs.
Steve Buscemi was a paedophile in Con Air ffs.
The director has since said he only intended for him to come off as kid friendly.
Some people are being ridiculous. Taken in isolation, the scene very clearly shows rape. The reason people are arguing it is not rape is because the director himself said that they tried to shoot the scene in a way where it 'became' consensual. In the directors own mind, it was was not rape.
Which he obviously did a terrible job of because as I was watching, there wasn't a second of that scene where I didn't think 'why the feck is he raping her'.
Which he obviously did a terrible job of because as I was watching, there wasn't a second of that scene where I didn't think 'why the feck is he raping her'.
I think this is very a presumptuous assumption from you, me and my friends had the same discussion before reading anything said by the director about what was supposed to happen. It's one thing to disagree with a view but another to try to explain it for others.
Fair point. I was talking more about people on this thread though, many of whom have used the director when talking about the scene. They may well have talked about it before hearing the directors comment though, you're right.
I dislike both of them to be honest. The only Lannister I like is Tyrion. Jamie, although changed a bit, still is a prick in my eyes. And Cersei is just a b.tch
She was in Qarth in season two, so not quite
Bloody hell so Qarth is essentially Perth. There has to be more territory or this is a ridiculously small planet.
Finally caught up with all the episodes in this season.
1. That was rape. No two ways about it.
2. I was surprised that Sansa didn't realize one of the 'beads' (or whatever) was missing from her necklace even until the point just before LittleFinger shattered it.
3. Was LF a little over the top in that scene or has he been always like this? I don't remember the actor having that kind of an accent in the previous seasons.
4. Looks like Joffrey's brother, Tommen (sp?) will be Tywin's puppet. Will be interesting to see Cersei's reaction to that as the show goes on.
5. What's the Tyrell's esp. Margery's (sp?) status now? Is she the queen? If she is the queen, where does that leave Tommen? Tywin giving him the 'king' talk makes me believe he is the king but then if he is, then that means the Tyrell's have nothing to show for..
This show has so many facets and I feel that I should probably watch all the episodes from Season 1 again before watching the next episode! Fascinating show indeed!
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What the hell is Daenerys doing? She seems to be building an army of slaves (or 'free' people). Not quite sure how useful they'd be when she makes a move to Westeros..
And that pi$$ing scene and fight were so silly ...
1. That was rape. No two ways about it.
2. I was surprised that Sansa didn't realize one of the 'beads' (or whatever) was missing from her necklace even until the point just before LittleFinger shattered it.
3. Was LF a little over the top in that scene or has he been always like this? I don't remember the actor having that kind of an accent in the previous seasons.
4. Looks like Joffrey's brother, Tommen (sp?) will be Tywin's puppet. Will be interesting to see Cersei's reaction to that as the show goes on.
5. What's the Tyrell's esp. Margery's (sp?) status now? Is she the queen? If she is the queen, where does that leave Tommen? Tywin giving him the 'king' talk makes me believe he is the king but then if he is, then that means the Tyrell's have nothing to show for..
This show has so many facets and I feel that I should probably watch all the episodes from Season 1 again before watching the next episode! Fascinating show indeed!
EDIT:
What the hell is Daenerys doing? She seems to be building an army of slaves (or 'free' people). Not quite sure how useful they'd be when she makes a move to Westeros..
And that pi$$ing scene and fight were so silly ...
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nimic loves Khaleesi.
4. This makes me think that Tywin may have had a hand in killing Joffrey. It just seems all rather convenient, remove the thorn bush and replace with a soft leafed shrub. Probably wrong but that scene had me thinking again...
5. I think she's still Queen, but only in title. She has no power and until she's killed or Tommen marries she'll still be Queen? I might be wrong in this!
Oh and gotta laugh at Daenarys going completely the wrong way. Looking at the map and city descriptions, Volantis looks the key for Daenarys to get her navy. It's a harbour city after all.
You have a point about Tywin having a hand in killing Joffrey but I'm not sure how Margaery gets to be the Queen and Tommen the king
And I can kinda understand her getting around her part of the world trying to acquire an army. I mean she can't possibly stake a claim to the throne with just 3 dragons and 3 trusted lieutenants and some of them unsullied people. What I don't get is she's liberating all the slaves and if it is slaves that follow her into battle, can they even put up a fight? Isn't it more of quantity over quality? Or is it as simple as her liberating a city and its army becomes hers to command?
Didn't Robb say marriages weren't officially recognised until the bedding ceremony? He might have said it was a northern tradition, I can't remember.
Yes he did. I even remember the old Tyrell lady say something about Joffrey consummating the marriage before dying or something. So it effectively means she's just the Tyrell girl now and all the $$$ they spent does not buy them a say in all the king stuff.
Besides, wasn't Cersei supposed to marry some Tyrell guy as well? Or was it someone else?
If the director says that it wasn't rape then it wasn't rape, however it came across. This isn't a court of law it is a fictional television series, for the purposes of the story it was not rape.
Ffs Jimmy. You just had to didn't you..
The director is a big rapist.
Counterpoint: no
He is right to be honest. If the Director didn't intend for it to come across as rape then everything that follows after this will assume that the sex was consensual, so it would be silly to go into the next episode thinking "Why isn't Cersei mad at Jamie for raping her?!?", because she won't be... because it wasn't rape (As the story intends at least).
But we'll not know that until the next episode, will we? What if the next episode has a whole scene planned for Cersei to avenge the rape? I mean the previous episode just stopped at the rape .. probably in the next one we'll see the ramifications of the act? (Not to sound too stupid but what if Cersei gets Jamie locked up and then Tyrion and Jamie plan an escape..prison break style
)(edit: all this assuming the director was trying to not give away much about the next episode/storyline)