Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

That song was meant to be there but a minute later along with the opening credits. Strangely happened with the last ep of TWD the other week too.

All I can say is holy shit at that ending. feck me.
 
VeevaVee said:
Pretty sure that's not meant to be there. Wonder if we'll see a new side of Jamie (refuse to spell it the female way) now?
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It is. They had the National do "The Rains of Castamere" for the closing credits last season.

On HBO, it started as soon as the scene was over.
 
Sir Matt said:
It is. They had the National do "The Rains of Castamere" for the closing credits last season.

On HBO, it started as soon as the scene was over.
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Oh right, well it wasn't meant to be where it was for most of us
 
The best thing about this show is that it doesn't give a toss about televisual or cinematic conventions. It's written by a proper author who knows exactly where the story is going and exactly what happens to each character at the end, meaning that the TV execs can't then stick their oars in and force a bunch of focus-group tested scenes into the show.

The Ned Stark "incident" would never have happened in any other show or film (Sean Bean had been the star of the show up until then and GoT's moral touchstone). Nor would that scene from last night. They're both too potentially alienating to the audience, but that's exactly what makes the series so fantastic and unpredictable.

I like the fact there are no likeable characters. I like that there are a thousand names to keep a track of at any one time with relatively little dumbing down. I like that George R R Martin could decide to throw the show's fans a curve ball at any point and take things in a direction that doesn't make sense from a traditional storytelling point of view.

This show's fecking brilliant.
 
Snow said:
There are no likable characters? Why on earth are you watching it then?
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I was kind of responding to the charge that others have made about the characters in the show. If you read back a few pages, I'm sure a few will have said as much on the Caf as well, though I don't necessarily agree.

I think killing off the whiter-than-white Ned Stark was George RR Martin's way of telling his readership that GoT wasn't a fairytale about heroes and magic. Almost everyone vying for the throne is a bit of a wanker, though I agree with Phil that there are a few nice characters there as well. The point is that there is no one the audience is expected to support. The narrative is more important than the sense of satisfaction the reader/viewer gets when their favourite character achieves something. I have no idea where the story is going precisely because I have no idea who the protagonist is meant to be. Almost everyone on the show is kind of an antagonist.
 
Was last nights episode any good? Bit of an underwhelming start to the season so far for me.
 
It possibly had the most shamelessly superfluous sex scene to date. Plus bread shaped like animals, what's not to like?
 
I also had the fecked up audio. "All you have to do is mention your father an-A BEAR A BEAR A BEAR A BEAR!".

Was a good episode.
 
Dante said:
I was kind of responding to the charge that others have made about the characters in the show. If you read back a few pages, I'm sure a few will have said as much on the Caf as well, though I don't necessarily agree.

I think killing off the whiter-than-white Ned Stark was George RR Martin's way of telling his readership that GoT wasn't a fairytale about heroes and magic. Almost everyone vying for the throne is a bit of a wanker, though I agree with Phil that there are a few nice characters there as well. The point is that there is no one the audience is expected to support. The narrative is more important than the sense of satisfaction the reader/viewer gets when their favourite character achieves something. I have no idea where the story is going precisely because I have no idea who the protagonist is meant to be. Almost everyone on the show is kind of an antagonist.
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Usually when you read books or watch TV there's a protagonist. That's not how ASOIAF is written. They are written from the POV of many characters. Characters like Ned are rare just as they are in real life. Most people in power positions are dicks. Power and money changes people and people lusting after either don't usually go about it in a nice manner.

You have a few semi-protagonists if you look at the show from the start. We're seeing a lot of Jon Snow, Catelyn, Arya, Brann and Robb. Add Tyrion and Daenerys to that and you've got the main characters from the get go. Perhaps Cersei as well.

Non of the Starks are dicks or unlikable. I dare say that Arya is a fan favorite. So is Jon Snow. Robb's motives are quite pure as well and Brann is a boy who was crippled and almost killed for reasons he couldn't have done nothing about. Surely people are rooting for him as well.

I'd say the Stark family or Daenerys are the protagonists, whichever one you relate to better. If not then you've got the rest to watch as well which makes this show great. It's unconventional but there are plenty of characters to root for.
 
Snow said:
Non of the Starks are dicks or unlikable. I dare say that Arya is a fan favorite. So is Jon Snow. Robb's motives are quite pure as well and Brann is a boy who was crippled and almost killed for reasons he couldn't have done nothing about. Surely people are rooting for him as well.
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Sansa is a dick, but I suppose she's more like her mother than a real Stark.
 
Scrumpet said:
No, most of the versions online are like that. I could have put my fist through my screen when it happened. Then I was even more annoyed when I realised I had no right to be annoyed that the audio of the programme I was stealing fecked up.

The end of the last scene is on youtube now if you want to hear the bit you missed.
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I usually watch TV shows with subtitle files so that I could improve my english.Despite the music, I managed to know what was said
 
Snow said:
She isn't a dick. She's a 14 year old girl that's raised up in privilege. She's the 0,001%.
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She's a self absorbed dick. All the other Starks were taught responsibility and grew up as decent people (discounting Rickon who doesn't have parents around). The way she treats Arya in season 1 just shows what a terrible person she is.
 
Drainy said:
She's a self absorbed dick. All the other Starks were taught responsibility and grew up as decent people (discounting Rickon who doesn't have parents around). The way she treats Arya in season 1 just shows what a terrible person she is.
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She's very self absorbed, sure. Shocking behavior from a teenage girl, I know. Teenagers are usually not self absorbed, are they? And you're probably the same person you are now as when you were 14 right?

And Arya isn't self absorbed? Before Ned was killed wasn't she only doing what she wanted, always disobeying? Another shocking behavior from a child.

I'm sure Robb and Jon have always been buddy buddy and never fought either.
 
Arya doesn't see herself as too good to engage certain types of people. She also loves her family. Sansa thought she was too good to even interact with her own 'half brother' in anything beyond a superficial level.

I'm not saying Sansa is 'shocking', she's not Joffrey, but she is just a bit of a dick.
 
I'm enjoying this season more than the second one so far. Some of the dialogue makes me cringe at times though, especially the ones involving dragon lady and sir friend zone.
 
Drainy said:
Arya doesn't see herself as too good to engage certain types of people. She also loves her family. Sansa thought she was too good to even interact with her own 'half brother' in anything beyond a superficial level.

I'm not saying Sansa is 'shocking', she's not Joffrey, but she is just a bit of a dick.
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Sansa thought she was too good for Jon? Where was this in the show? She treats him as not a full member of the family but then she's most like her mother so you can see why. Doing that though doesn't mean she thinks she's too good to interact with him.
 
Sansa wasn't even in that episode you weirdos.

That was class. The 720p version I "acquired" had no audio issues, by the way.

Nice to see HBO aren't phased by the complaints about nudity :)
 
roseguy64 said:
Sansa thought she was too good for Jon? Where was this in the show? She treats him as not a full member of the family but then she's most like her mother so you can see why. Doing that though doesn't mean she thinks she's too good to interact with him.
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Maybe I'm overly applying my own reading of her character to their relationship, but I believe it's because he's a bastard that she won't get close to him. Not because she'll offend her mother. Robb is a bit of a mummy's boy but he still trains with Jon Snow and calls him brother.

Sansa's been brought up, mostly by Septa Mordane with a very classic view of femininity and her role in life. She's likely to believe that associating with your lessers is unbecoming of the first daughter of the Warden of the North. Despite Ned insisting that his children should be raised to be respectful of the lower classes, she is clearly more influenced by her tutor.
 
I like Sansa, well I don't, but I like the point of her character.

She's realistic, she has a view of the world that you would expect a medieval Princess to have, she reminds you that even though Ned, Robb, Jon etc... appear to be positive characters the Stark family is not whiter than white.

I'm interested to see how the Robb scenario plays out though, according to the War of the Roses time period the books are set in his marriage is illegitimate because of his pre-contract to another woman (no idea what the bridge family was called), it would be disappointing if thats glossed over.
 
That's not book talk, I haven't read them.

I'm just speculating how its dealt with and hoping that it is, knowing the historical context in which the source material for the TV show is based in.

Regardless, it should be a huge deal and one of the more subtle moral ambiguities of Robb's character.
 
Loved Brienne to Jaime: 'You were slower than I thought you'd be, and predictable'. Hehehe. It's a good bit in the books when he realises she's actually stronger than he is, I think it's the first moment when he stops underestimating her. I think the actress playing Brienne is brilliant.

I'm liking this season so far. I wish they'd shown more of the White Walkers attacking the Night's Watch though, we should have seen more of that battle.

And how dare Craster start fat-shaming Sam!
 
Drainy said:
Maybe I'm overly applying my own reading of her character to their relationship, but I believe it's because he's a bastard that she won't get close to him. Not because she'll offend her mother. Robb is a bit of a mummy's boy but he still trains with Jon Snow and calls him brother.

Sansa's been brought up, mostly by Septa Mordane with a very classic view of femininity and her role in life. She's likely to believe that associating with your lessers is unbecoming of the first daughter of the Warden of the North. Despite Ned insisting that his children should be raised to be respectful of the lower classes, she is clearly more influenced by her tutor.
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Sansa grows up as she experiences more. She realises that chivalry is a myth. I actually quite like her as a character, I know she's unpopular with most though. She was annoying in season one, but she's got better.
 
Brienne and Jamie's relationship has been one of the best things about this season so far. Every scene with them two has been great.
 
Scrumpet said:
No, most of the versions online are like that. I could have put my fist through my screen when it happened. Then I was even more annoyed when I realised I had no right to be annoyed that the audio of the programme I was stealing fecked up.

The end of the last scene is on youtube now if you want to hear the bit you missed.
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:lol: Thank feck for that. I thought I was tripping out. What was all that about?
 
MG said:
Sansa grows up as she experiences more. She realises that chivalry is a myth. I actually quite like her as a character, I know she's unpopular with most though. She was annoying in season one, but she's got better.
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Yeah, she has certainly learned the hard way that the gallant knight she dreamed of is just a cruel lie.

I don't think she's actually developed as a character though, she's still really just the 'little bird' saying what she's supposed to, doing what people tell her and still has a fairly superficial outlook on life.
 
Drainy said:
Brienne and Jamie's relationship has been one of the best things about this season so far. Every scene with them two has been great.
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Yeah, they're brilliant together.

Drainy said:
Yeah, she has certainly learned the hard way that the gallant knight she dreamed of is just a cruel lie.

I don't think she's actually developed as a character though, she's still really just the 'little bird' saying what she's supposed to, doing what people tell her and still has a fairly superficial outlook on life.
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There's a lot more I could say about this, but I don't want to give stuff away for the non-book readers. She has to say what she's supposed to because she's being watched in King's Landing by the Lannister spies.
 
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