Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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If they were in such a rush to finish, why did they waste the first two episodes with all the reunion bullshit?
In the end Jon's heritage, Bran's 3-Eyed Raven, and Arya's faceless man stuff had the sum of sweet feck all impact on the show. What a waste.
D&D didn't write episode two, it was Brian Cogman or something, a guy who wrote loads of previous episodes with character development. It's not like these people weren't still available to write these sort of episodes, D&D just could not be arsed with the show anymore.
Because it's cheap to film.
I reckon they spent all the money on ep3, 5 and 6. Meaning the other eps were just people sitting around or walking.
Unfortunately, the final season has made it so that I just can't justify ever watching the show back. Which is really frustrating as, if done right, it was probably on course to be my favourite show ever. Too many arcs just ultimately went nowhere. Imagine watching the show again and having to sit through every Dany scene knowing what ultimately happens. You'd have to fast-forward through her parts.
Yeah, boils down to this ultimately.
And for as annoying as that is - imagined how pissed HBO execs must have been.
Good time for someone to create a proper Elder Scrolls style Game of Thrones game, just so people can create a new canon for the show. It would certainly be in development for less time than it'll take GRRM to finish the series.
Only if you disregard:
- House Frey being extinct
- Varys getting killed
- Dany going mad
- Which made Tyrion resign
- Which made him persuade Jon to kill her
Quite easily the greatest tv in history in my opinion, seasons 1-6 were 10/10, seasons 7 & 8 were rushed, no question and end up around the 6/10 mark.
But all in all, I’ve absolutely loved everything about this show and will miss it like no other.
No need to spend time whinging about what they could have done better in the final seasons, just appreciate the entirety of the show and wow in the accomplishment!
Jamie’s hand, Ned’s head, the Red wedding, the crown of gold, Tywin, the Mountain v. Oberyn etc etc etc.... incredible incredible tv.
But all in all, I’ve absolutely loved everything about this show and will miss it like no other.
No need to spend time whinging about what they could have done better in the final seasons, just appreciate the entirety of the show and wow in the accomplishment!
Jamie’s hand, Ned’s head, the Red wedding, the crown of gold, Tywin, the Mountain v. Oberyn etc etc etc.... incredible incredible tv.
On the end-game it made bugger all difference though. Arya didn't use it to kill Dany or the Nk or anyone actually important off her list. And Jon ended up north of the wall with the fecking wildlings. We get told he's the true heir to Westeros (after seven seasons of it being built up) and all it does is annoy Dany a little. They could have left it out and we'd end up with the exact same ending.
At least Mo Salah managed to make it onto that council...
That City fan in the press box at Wembley will be livid.
How is it strange? You've even spelled it out yourself. True Detective was a short series, featuring very few characters, with a plot building towards a climax which would reveal the mystery which was at the heart of the show. When they made a complete mess out of resolving that mystery it did go a long way towards spoiling the show as a whole.
GoT has gone on for eight rambling seasons. Dozens of episodes, dozens of characters. Nobody could reasonably expect a single episode to tie up all the loose ends. So getting furious about the season finale doesn't make sense. Especially when it was relatively inoffensive and didn't have any of the utterly batshit plot devices we saw in the final episode of True Detective.
Both Grey Worm and Jon should have died, even going by their rushed plot this season. Grey Worm had committed a lot of war crimes so to speak, and he was almost as over the edge as Dany. It seemed strange that he would suddenly consent to listen to Sansa and the other leaders, most of whom had been disapproving of Dany at various points, over who should be the King. Not to mention he first told Tyrion to shut up and then basically let him speak and have his way.
With Jon, now that he couldn't become King of the 7 Kingdoms or King in the North, he really should have died. Maybe burned by Drogon to a Targaryen crisp or something, dunno. Because the Night's Watch is pretty much obsolete now, so what is the point of having this character around. Arya's fate was atleast well executed though, she does strike one as the lone wolf adventurer type.
I noticed that too when I saw it.
With Jon, now that he couldn't become King of the 7 Kingdoms or King in the North, he really should have died. Maybe burned by Drogon to a Targaryen crisp or something, dunno. Because the Night's Watch is pretty much obsolete now, so what is the point of having this character around. Arya's fate was atleast well executed though, she does strike one as the lone wolf adventurer type.
I noticed that too when I saw it.
Which was dumb since he survived so much only to die in such a shit way. The master of whisperers, for some reason, couldn't help but reveal his motives to his Tyrion.
Never mind that - he couldn't help himself to talk to Jon about it... really loudly... in front of tons of people.
Jon's heritage was a big part of both Dany losing the plot and her advisers turning on her when they realised there was a better option. Not the huge impact we perhaps expected but he was never going to end up king(unless beyond the wall)
Arya took out a whole house opposing the Starks with her faceless shenanigans. And killed the Night King with her training.
Bran, yeah he didn't do a great deal I guess. Still like the idea he manipulated people to get the throne. On the three eyed raven stuff, didn't the last one say he had lived for over a thousand years? What if he's the same? Kings in place for a very long time.
Well her being silent taught by the faceless man went a long way to her killing NK
Also the reason Jon didnt feel the same about Dany and made him not just become king to her queen and the two on top, to join two houses (despite being a Snow, still considered a stark, which is what he believed before that)
Is this English Sylar? I’ve read the post 5 times now and still can’t make out what you’re trying to say.
Yeah overall it was a great show.
It's strange because all the reasons you're giving for True Detective are the same reasons people are pissed about GoT. Just because you find them less offensive than the finale to True Detective doesn't mean others don't. And you're either on a WUM or blind if you don't understand how a show you've watched for eight years having a shit ending doesn't annoy people more than a show you've watched for eight weeks having a shit ending.
What you've basically said is it's strange for people to give out about the ending to GoT, and then you compared it to True Detective, which you gave out about the fecking ending of
I'd be lying if I can fully remember his previous motives but he always seemed like a selfish character who did whatever he could to survive. But his last few episodes seemed like a complete lie - we were forced this idea that all he cares about is whats best for the realm which didn't seem like the case before. (Maybe I'm wrong)
True Detective is just cops and baddies anyway.
It's strange because all the reasons you're giving for True Detective are the same reasons people are pissed about GoT. Just because you find them less offensive than the finale to True Detective doesn't mean others don't. And you're either on a WUM or blind if you don't understand how a show you've watched for eight years having a shit ending doesn't annoy people more than a show you've watched for eight weeks having a shit ending.
What you've basically said is it's strange for people to give out about the ending to GoT, and then you compared it to True Detective, which you gave out about the fecking ending of
Surely you understand why the big plot reveal in True Detective was more important to the enjoyment of the show as a whole than the equivalent in GoT? You must do if you read my last post. So I'll assume you're being obtuse and agree to disagree.
It's strange because all the reasons you're giving for True Detective are the same reasons people are pissed about GoT. Just because you find them less offensive than the finale to True Detective doesn't mean others don't. And you're either on a WUM or blind if you don't understand how a show you've watched for eight years having a shit ending doesn't annoy people more than a show you've watched for eight weeks having a shit ending.
What you've basically said is it's strange for people to give out about the ending to GoT, and then you compared it to True Detective, which you gave out about the fecking ending of
Tbh Pogue is just on the WUM. Recently his opinions on GOT don’t make sense or are designed to just piss people off. Or he’s just not that big of a GOT fan and doesn’t get why people take it seriously in which case I get it but fantasy fans are known to take their shit seriously which is to be expected as it’s fantasy - it’s about lore and world building and needs to have an internal logic etc for it to stand on its feet.
GOT was arguably the greatest ever alongside LOTR in that genre and the TV show was high calibre, elite quality - he doesn’t get that as a non fantasy fan - and it ended in such a shitty way with lack of coherence and jumps in plot etc. It caused a disconnect and made the fantasy fan look at it and suddenly not believe in the plot or the characters which is a cardinal sin.
No? Because there were about 10 plot points in that episode of GoT that were almost as bad.
Funnily enough I'd have said you were the one being obtuse, but whatever.
Though you do WUM on here quite a bit afaik which would make more sense because what you're saying is illogical.
So even at the very end, Bran still doesn't impact the story in any game changing way.
He still might as well not have been in the entire thing.
He still might as well not have been in the entire thing.
Is this English Sylar? I’ve read the post 5 times now and still can’t make out what you’re trying to say.
noI just reread it - this is why I don't like posting with my phone
I think I tried to say once Jon knew his heritage his feelings towards dany changed
Before that there was a chance he would live happily with her meaning she would be happy too
Honestly think 7 and 8 could have been two season each at least. The tempo went up by so much it was hardly recognizable, no time for dialogues or character development, just rushing from one big event to the next with major time lapses thrown in for good mesure
All thing considering, the last two seasons were acceptable and i'm content with the way it ended. Could have been much worse and the directors said feck it after season 5 and left it at that
The first 2 minutes
Basically if he died when the assassin came for him in season one he'd have had the exact same impact on the story as he has had.
Even before that. People think the dagger thing actually changed anything, but it really didn't. Like at all. It just gave Cat something to do.
Short answer: educated guess I'd bet the writers thought it would 'resonate' with the ending farewells.
Slightly longer answer: A tiny tiny part of it could be budgetary like other people have said. But it's likely just related to a foible of the writing process on shows.
This is still a gross oversimplification, but generally speaking, entertainment writing consists of 'shit we want to see happen' and 'now how do we make that believable'. So in a TV show for example, before they go into a season they throw up/brainstorm all these 'cool beats' - Jon seeing Arya again; Brienne writing about Jamie; Brienne getting knighted; Melisandre lighting the Dothraki scimitars, etc etc - and then fight/discuss about which to keep as they map out everything and then go about the longer process of filling in the blanks.
What happens in a 'rushed' production is it's rare they drastically reduce all of the 'shit we want to see happen/crowd pleasing' beats and instead skimp on the connective tissue.
From there you get to the writers' intentions/ability; as mentioned earlier they might have thought the reunions would 'resonate' with the ending farewells, with that reasoning contributing to their 'winning out' over other beats that got cut during the brainstorming process.
From there you get into even more complex stuff such as clauses in actors' contracts about screentime etc. (absolutely no idea if that was at play)
Well he said so at the end. "Its why I'm here". Again made no sense. If you know you're going to be king but don't want it, don't be there, Bran.
Also, what was the point of him venturing beyond the wall?
Still doesn't excuse them wasting two episodes. Everything could have been crammed into one episode.
Why does every main character need to "impact the story in any game changing way" or not be in the show at all? Who makes these rules?!?