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What about the theory that Drogon has carried her off to take her to the other red woman, and she will return as an undead dragon queen?

In a few years (when everyone has gotten over this shit), in the form of a movie trilogy..
 
golden_blunder said:
What about the theory that Drogon has carried her off to take her to the other red woman, and she will return as an undead dragon queen?

In a few years (when everyone has gotten over this shit), in the form of a movie trilogy..
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They need to go anime, it would be much better and less of a headache budget wise
 
the detective element of True Detective was secondary to Rust and Cohle's relationship, and Cohle's demons. that first season is damn legendary. i can forgive the detective leap in the final episode.
 
What was Arya riding off on a horse all about last week? did she literally just take it around the corner?
 
kouroux said:
It's hard to enjoy the ending of something like GOT. I've liked the destruction of KL, how the red witch lit up the Dothraki swords, how Drogon was flying during the destruction of Euron's fleet.
From a visual POV, those things were very nice but the story and dialogues ? Not so much

There are also many suggestions that are much better than what the paid writers came up with.
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I agree with regards to the dialogue and story at times. Even some of the fckin characters were shite. But, i guarantee you see it more with more platforms available. Venting and critiquing happens more than actually enjoying (and its not just GoT).
Im not even saying its a bad thing, but its just the way it is.

Interval said:
That's not true. Avengers got decent reviews and most people dismissed the negatives. It was broadly a positive vibe. You cant produce sub standard work and not expect people who have invested hours watching it not to whine. Especially some who are emotionally invested.

Plus, this one was particularly absurd. Like DC comic movie absurd. It will get called out on it in an OTT manner because of the standards set. Plot holes need to be earned not be part of the shows repertoire
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But Avengers is another which gets critiqued (Endgame). Its very every single point is scrutinised to see if it holds up.
I had so much enjoyment from ep3 of this last series, but others didnt because they were assessing how the guards were lined up and battle plans and all. Thats fine, we are who we are.
I guess its the nature of the beast.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
What was Arya riding off on a horse all about last week? did she literally just take it around the corner?
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Drogon ate it since he’d toasted everything else OR one of those many Dothraki took it. You know those ones who were hiding and didn’t get completely wiped out by the NK
 
golden_blunder said:
What about the theory that Drogon has carried her off to take her to the other red woman, and she will return as an undead dragon queen?

In a few years (when everyone has gotten over this shit), in the form of a movie trilogy..
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I prefer to think he buried her then went back and burnt Kings landing fully to the ground this time including Bran and his council.

After that he went to Jon who he now protects
 
lsd said:
I prefer to think he buried her then went back and burnt Kings landing fully to the ground this time including Bran and his council.

After that he went to Jon who he now protects
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Should have had a scene with Ghost riding Drogon.
 
Sylar said:
I agree with regards to the dialogue and story at times. Even some of the fckin characters were shite. But, i guarantee you see it more with more platforms available. Venting and critiquing happens more than actually enjoying (and its not just GoT).
Im not even saying its a bad thing, but its just the way it is.



But Avengers is another which gets critiqued (Endgame). Its very every single point is scrutinised to see if it holds up.
I had so much enjoyment from ep3 of this last series, but others didnt because they were assessing how the guards were lined up and battle plans and all. Thats fine, we are who we are.
I guess its the nature of the beast.
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Venting and critiquing is part of modern society, we just have to accept it. It concerns movies, music and sports.
 
golden_blunder said:
Drogon ate it since he’d toasted everything else OR one of those many Dothraki took it. You know those ones who were hiding and didn’t get completely wiped out by the NK
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I think for every Dothraki and Unsullied that die, another two are generated somewhere else.... it's sort of like how my annual leave situation works in my head.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Eh, Pogue, you made the comparison, not me.

You're saying people can't get irritated that a show they've spent eight years watching ended in a really shite way, but it's ok for you to get irritated at a limited series ending in a shite way? How strange.
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Yes, bizarre argument. People being angry or pissed at a show they have invested more time in is more understandable than over a single move or a short limited series.
 
Sylar said:
I agree with regards to the dialogue and story at times. Even some of the fckin characters were shite. But, i guarantee you see it more with more platforms available. Venting and critiquing happens more than actually enjoying (and its not just GoT).
Im not even saying its a bad thing, but its just the way it is.



But Avengers is another which gets critiqued (Endgame). Its very every single point is scrutinised to see if it holds up.
I had so much enjoyment from ep3 of this last series, but others didnt because they were assessing how the guards were lined up and battle plans and all. Thats fine, we are who we are.
I guess its the nature of the beast.
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Again, avengers did not face the same backlash as GoT did. Because GoT this season was genuinely terrible as it was in S7. I loved Ep3. I've seen it twice already and will be one of my favourite episodes of the show - but ep5 and ep6 cant be defended. Its needs to be criticized the same way Uniteds performance against Cardiff. Justly and harshly.

You create an intricate tapestry of a storyline and have people obsess over foreboding and then complain about people nitpicking when you feck it up? Naah, you live by the sword and you die by it.
 
kouroux said:
Venting and critiquing is part of modern society, we just have to accept it. It concerns movies, music and sports.
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I know, as I said im not disagreeing with it. (matchday thread are good examples of it)
I just think theres more platforms now, so more will be scrutiny and more time spent on trying to be a critic than to enjoy.
 
I think what also makes people more angry at GoT is that the writers had the option of making more seasons but instead chose to end it in the rushed manner that they did.

(at least I think this is the case?)
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I think what also makes people more angry at GoT is that the writers had the option of making more seasons but instead chose to end it in the rushed manner that they did.

(at least I think this is the case?)
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This is the number 1 reason for the rushed ending yes. In hindsight HBO should have fecked them off, replaced them with a team of writers and done another 2 seasons.
 
I think it's quite telling that the people who have been vehemently defending this season have now only downgraded their opinion to the last episode being "ok".
 
The Cat said:
This is the number 1 reason for the rushed ending yes. In hindsight HBO should have fecked them off, replaced them with a team of writers and done another 2 seasons.
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I don't think they could - D&D own the rights to the show and not HBO - or some shit like that.

I'm sure there could have been a work around though - keeping D&D on as executive producers/writers or something... but who knows.
 
Interval said:
Again, avengers did not face the same backlash as GoT did. Because GoT this season was genuinely terrible as it was in S7. I loved Ep3. I've seen it twice already and will be one of my favourite episodes of the show - but ep5 and ep6 cant be defended. Its needs to be criticized the same way Uniteds performance against Cardiff. Justly and harshly.

You create an intricate tapestry of a storyline and have people obsess over foreboding and then complain about people nitpicking when you feck it up? Naah, you live by the sword and you die by it.
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No it didnt and ill agree with what you said. But it still went through the phase of criticising. A movie and a sports game will have different types of it but still go through it. A tv show (esp a finale) is harder to correct as theres no going back. A movie may be a one off or a culmination but you can still do more connected to it.

Expectations also add to this (but thats to be expected too). I have no issues with any of it by the way. Its why I enjoy coming on this thread, its fun to see the differing opinions (except when people insult others for having different opinions).

I really do hope we get a few more shows that capture everybodys imagination like this one has and can discuss on here.
 
I feel like we got cheated out of two massive scenes. The immediate reaction of Sansa & Arya learning about John's heritage & the aftermath of Danaery's death. Lazy writing, it's very seldom in and tv show a time jump works out well. Roll on to the books I guess.
 
The Cat said:
This is the number 1 reason for the rushed ending yes. In hindsight HBO should have fecked them off, replaced them with a team of writers and done another 2 seasons.
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Not even hindsight, I remember at the time people saying why cut it down to 13 when theres so much left to do. But then after s7, everybody thought, ok they rushed that so s8 wouldnt be rushed. But then yeah, there was still rush towards the finish line.

The person who said it felt rushed at times but also dragged at times, during same episodes, is correct. As I said, overall I had so much fun. It could have been better though (and if the two didnt want to keep it going, they should have given somebody else the chance whilst they add themselves as consultant and then work on other projects).

All ifs and buts now.
 
Found it a very unsatisfying ending. All fizzled out for me at the end, which is a shame.
 
Wait wot? The show runners decided they WANTED it to end quickly as opposed to taking some more time to draw it to a close? I thought it would be something like budget reasons or what not. That's really dumb then. I sort of accepted the rushed ending as a time constraint, but if it's a voluntary decision it doesn't really make sense.

Why did they want to rush it?
 
Annihilate Now! said:
What was Arya riding off on a horse all about last week? did she literally just take it around the corner?
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They probably put that in there to see if anyone would over analyse it, to gage the expectations of fans and to see if they would look for massive convoluted meanings out of little things. And then when everyone started talking about how it represented death because it's a pale horse they probably thought "yeah, these people are nuts".
 
KirkDuyt said:
Wait wot? The show runners decided they WANTED it to end quickly as opposed to taking some more time to draw it to a close? I thought it would be something like budget reasons or what not. That's really dumb then. I sort of accepted the rushed ending as a time constraint, but if it's a voluntary decision it doesn't really make sense.

Why did they want to rush it?
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so they could run along and make their big dollah Star Wars trilogy.
 
Sylar said:
Not even hindsight, I remember at the time people saying why cut it down to 13 when theres so much left to do. But then after s7, everybody thought, ok they rushed that so s8 wouldnt be rushed. But then yeah, there was still rush towards the finish line.

The person who said it felt rushed at times but also dragged at times, during same episodes, is correct. As I said, overall I had so much fun. It could have been better though (and if the two didnt want to keep it going, they should have given somebody else the chance whilst they add themselves as consultant and then work on other projects).

All ifs and buts now.
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Oi, I have a name... I thought we had something... :(

I think when the original announcement came, a lot of people still had trust that these guys had a plan, knew what they were doing and could appropriately finish the show within 13 episodes... especially as, in all the 10 episodes seasons, some of the episodes have just been mainly filler/character padding (though having said that, that's also a lot of the stuff that people grasp onto)

However, looking at it now, I can't see anyway that D&D genuinely thought that 13 episodes was enough to adequately tell this story to its fullest.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Wait wot? The show runners decided they WANTED it to end quickly as opposed to taking some more time to draw it to a close? I thought it would be something like budget reasons or what not. That's really dumb then. I sort of accepted the rushed ending as a time constraint, but if it's a voluntary decision it doesn't really make sense.

Why did they want to rush it?
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The writers need to work on Star Wars in a few months.
 
KirkDuyt said:
Wait wot? The show runners decided they WANTED it to end quickly as opposed to taking some more time to draw it to a close? I thought it would be something like budget reasons or what not. That's really dumb then. I sort of accepted the rushed ending as a time constraint, but if it's a voluntary decision it doesn't really make sense.

Why did they want to rush it?
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Because they badly want to get started on the KOTOR trilogy, make two films from it and bail on the last one because they've found another project like an ADHD kid in a room full of toys.
 
Massive Spanner said:
so they could run along and make their big dollah Star Wars trilogy.
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Meh.

They do seem like a good fit though. Dany's ending is very Anakin-y to me. Difference being in this case Obi Wan actually killed him in that duel before he could be crowned Darth Vader / Mad Queen.
 
Sylar said:
Not even hindsight, I remember at the time people saying why cut it down to 13 when theres so much left to do. But then after s7, everybody thought, ok they rushed that so s8 wouldnt be rushed. But then yeah, there was still rush towards the finish line.

The person who said it felt rushed at times but also dragged at times, during same episodes, is correct. As I said, overall I had so much fun. It could have been better though (and if the two didnt want to keep it going, they should have given somebody else the chance whilst they add themselves as consultant and then work on other projects).

All ifs and buts now.
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Since Season 7 they've told 30 episodes worth of story in 12, and then somehow told 30 minutes worth of story in twice that time during the finale. It's bizarre.

Love the destination, not a fan of the journey.
 
Such a shame it was so rushed from season 7 onwards. It was very obvious they suddenly decided they wanted it to finish and rushed it. Series 7 and 8 should of also been 10 episodes. The night kings sudden end and also Cersei's death felt far too easy after all that build up.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Just realised that last scene from Varys before being killed turned out to be completely useless and a waste of 5 minutes.
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Almost every thing was pointless.

Aryas face - swapping assassin skills? Nope, let’s just have her run around kings landing looking shocked.

Brans warging abilities? Nope, let’s have him roll his eyes back to try and get some WiFi while everyone else does the work.

Azor Ahai and the lord of lights prophecy? Too late the red woman decided to pack it in after she lit some Dothraki spears, just for them to all charge to their deaths and then magically respawn the very next episode.

The Jon saga was just the cherry on the proverbial shitcake. After his true identity had come to light he just fecks off on some bromance camping adventures with Tormund :lol:
 
Season 8 for the build up to the Battle of Winterfell and its aftermath.

Season 9 for the build up to the Battle for King's Landing and its aftermath.

Both 10 episodes, could've been a great ending to the show if they had taken their time indeed.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Oi, I have a name... I thought we had something... :(

I think when the original announcement came, a lot of people still had trust that these guys had a plan, knew what they were doing and could appropriately finish the show within 13 episodes... especially as, in all the 10 episodes seasons, some of the episodes have just been mainly filler/character padding (though having said that, that's also a lot of the stuff that people grasp onto)

However, looking at it now, I can't see anyway that D&D genuinely thought that 13 episodes was enough to adequately tell this story to its fullest.
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I thought it was you, but couldnt find the post to quote :(

I really really thought they had the ending figured out, and worked backwards and thought, ok we need to skip this and that, and anything more than 13 would be difficult:
-Ending
-Dany going mad with battle of KL
-Lose a dragon
-War vs NK
-Get everybody to Winterfell
-Wall falling down
-NK gets dragon

And then they tried to fill it in. But even if they did that, I dont uderstand the plotting. I really hope that was recorded as it would make for some fascinating and annoying viewing.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Since Season 7 they've told 30 episodes worth of story in 12, and then somehow told 30 minutes worth of story in twice that time during the finale. It's bizarre.

Love the destination, not a fan of the journey.
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Which is bizarre in itself cos whilst it was ongoing, the journey for the most part was so much fun. But now that we know the destination, the journey could have been better in a some elements.
 
Arya's story didn't really seem to go anywhere in the last couple of episodes, seemed a bit of a waste.

Like they needed her to be there, but didn't want her actually doing anything important as she's already had one of the biggest moments of the season
 
RobinLFC said:
Season 8 for the build up to the Battle of Winterfell and its aftermath.

Season 9 for the build up to the Battle for King's Landing and its aftermath.

Both 10 episodes, could've been a great ending to the show if they had taken their time indeed.
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Episode 5 would have made for a great season finale (especially so if it's had a whole season of Danaerys build up to becoming a crazy person... i mean it could even have included her and Missande actually having conversations with each other!) - or an episode 9 with the 10 being the quiet episode that comes afterwards like they used to do.

Then you could have a season 10 that's the aftermath (her going on to try and "liberate" more of Westeroes, the resolution and the ending.)

I wonder if D&D don't back themselves to write strong character episodes where not a lot happens, and it's just character work ... though then again Episode 2 of this season was just that, so who knows.
 
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