He's the human embodiment of the "old man yells at cloud" joke from the Simpsons.
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The annoying thing about the bad parts of the episode is that they were, again, mostly down to lazy writing and writers who couldn't be arsed to tell the story properly.
There were plenty of scenes in there which in isolation worked if you ignored the story around them. Drogon melting down the Iron Throne was brilliant and seeing the thing they'd all been fighting for so long for being destroyed in an instant to show the supposed futility of it all worked. Similarly the actual ending itself with the Starks fully restored and now more powerful than ever was good as well. Even Jon going back to Castle Black kinda makes sense even if the reasons for it are nonsensical: he's a broken man who's seen two women he loves die in his arms (one directly because of him) and he's someone who both never really wanted to rule and knows how ruling corrupts. The Starks/Lannisters finally fully putting their animosity behind them and essentially ruling Westeros sort of worked too. It was just that no one could be bothered to actually write a semi-coherent story to get the characters into their respective positions.
There were plenty of scenes in there which in isolation worked if you ignored the story around them. Drogon melting down the Iron Throne was brilliant and seeing the thing they'd all been fighting for so long for being destroyed in an instant to show the supposed futility of it all worked. Similarly the actual ending itself with the Starks fully restored and now more powerful than ever was good as well. Even Jon going back to Castle Black kinda makes sense even if the reasons for it are nonsensical: he's a broken man who's seen two women he loves die in his arms (one directly because of him) and he's someone who both never really wanted to rule and knows how ruling corrupts. The Starks/Lannisters finally fully putting their animosity behind them and essentially ruling Westeros sort of worked too. It was just that no one could be bothered to actually write a semi-coherent story to get the characters into their respective positions.
Feck that just reminds me of what a bloody fantastic show it was. Ned was a brilliant character. Season 1 might be my favourite and i loved the show up until end of season 6. It went downhill in season 7 and full on kamikaze in season 8.
Also, hilarious reply to that tweet:
After re-watching the finale and having time to process it, it definitely wasn’t as shitty as I initially thought. Don’t get me wrong, some stuff was clumsily wrapped up and other parts just seemed just silly... but still, all the questions were answered.
For me, seasons 1-5 were amazing. Seasons 6 & 7 definitely dropped in quality as they passed the books, but still decent and enjoyable to watch. Season 8, in comparison, was just okay. Tbf, it was always gonna be tough to wrap up everything in only 6 episodes. The backlash from the finale feels a bit ott. It’s just disappointing how a show with some truly shocking and memorable moments (Ned getting his head chopped off, Joffrey’s death, red wedding, Oberyn getting his head squished, Tyrion’s heartbreaking speech, battle of the bastards, Hardhome) ended on a whimper.
For me, seasons 1-5 were amazing. Seasons 6 & 7 definitely dropped in quality as they passed the books, but still decent and enjoyable to watch. Season 8, in comparison, was just okay. Tbf, it was always gonna be tough to wrap up everything in only 6 episodes. The backlash from the finale feels a bit ott. It’s just disappointing how a show with some truly shocking and memorable moments (Ned getting his head chopped off, Joffrey’s death, red wedding, Oberyn getting his head squished, Tyrion’s heartbreaking speech, battle of the bastards, Hardhome) ended on a whimper.
That video of all of Tywin's scenes was great. You honestly wouldn't think it was the same show as season 8 if the faces weren't the same.
Pretty boring episode, but atleast I called Jon murdering Dany and Drogon burning the iron throne.
Also, Jon was forced to surrender his weapons before meeting Tyrion in his cell. Tyrion informs him that Dany will be suspicious of Jon and will see him as a threat. By now, Dany has been established as unstable , delusional and paranoid. Yet, Jon walks up to her with 2 daggers clearly hanging from his waist and she doesn't suspect a thing while he stabs her.
Tyrion finding Jaime and Cersei in the rubble was a nice bit of emotional heft, but last episode they showed the whole roof caving in. Whereas, here they were just buried under a shallow layer of bricks. No way the faces were so well preserved, they would have been crushed and mangled beyond recognition.
I think GRRM would have wished to highlight the fact that Sansa wasn't a perfect character until last season. She and Jon clearly had some tension, and she had always been a bit haughty from the start. I think her ending in the books won't be so happy, though I am only up to ACOK, so I don't know much yet.
Greyworm was reduced to looking pissed off and doing random shit by himself. Should have died actually.
Best part of the episode was Tyrion getting more dialogue. Always great to see Dinklage get more time, he's a class actor. Otherwise, pretty boring, but probably the best ending they could have achieved considering how rushed the show was. Should have been 1 more season of Dany ruling and some Dany-Sansa strife before all this happened.
It makes sense because there is no guarantee that future generations will have the same camaraderie or affection as Sansa and Bran. It was the old allegiance that turned sour in the first place leading to Ned's death.
Sam is the last remaining Tarly and hence is representing his house. He deserved to be on the council.
Also, Jon was forced to surrender his weapons before meeting Tyrion in his cell. Tyrion informs him that Dany will be suspicious of Jon and will see him as a threat. By now, Dany has been established as unstable , delusional and paranoid. Yet, Jon walks up to her with 2 daggers clearly hanging from his waist and she doesn't suspect a thing while he stabs her.
Tyrion finding Jaime and Cersei in the rubble was a nice bit of emotional heft, but last episode they showed the whole roof caving in. Whereas, here they were just buried under a shallow layer of bricks. No way the faces were so well preserved, they would have been crushed and mangled beyond recognition.
I think GRRM would have wished to highlight the fact that Sansa wasn't a perfect character until last season. She and Jon clearly had some tension, and she had always been a bit haughty from the start. I think her ending in the books won't be so happy, though I am only up to ACOK, so I don't know much yet.
Greyworm was reduced to looking pissed off and doing random shit by himself. Should have died actually.
Best part of the episode was Tyrion getting more dialogue. Always great to see Dinklage get more time, he's a class actor. Otherwise, pretty boring, but probably the best ending they could have achieved considering how rushed the show was. Should have been 1 more season of Dany ruling and some Dany-Sansa strife before all this happened.
1. Bran being king is a big feck you to all of us.
2. The north seceding makes no sense (more so when a stark is the king!)
3. Jon's storyline makes no sense. fecking knightswatch ? No mention of him being the rightful heir...feck off
4. Why would the unsullied give up tyrion or jon ? Nonsense. Both should have been executed on sight.
5. Dany didn't seem mental enough to be murdered. Infact she seemed saner this episode than the previous one. On the other hand the council that elected bran as king behaved like imbeciles.
6. Bron blackmails his way to become the richest man in kingdom (-><-)
7. How come that fat twat samwell is on the small council. Did D&D forget he's in the nightswatch ?
8. Why wouldn't Drogon not burn jon ? Why would he melt the iron throne instead ? and why would he just fly away ? Basically the writers were clueless.
9. What was the purpose of Arya coming to KL ????
10. Podrick in the kingsguard (->
It makes sense because there is no guarantee that future generations will have the same camaraderie or affection as Sansa and Bran. It was the old allegiance that turned sour in the first place leading to Ned's death.
Sam is the last remaining Tarly and hence is representing his house. He deserved to be on the council.
Some decent ideas but why the feck would Gendry, an uneducated peasant, be elected king? At least Bran is kind of qualified.
Plus Jaime killing Cersei and Jon killing Dany in the exact same way in consecutive episodes would be terrible writing.
Did the small council meeting at the end remind anyone else of a the Vicar of Dibley? Was half expecting Hot Pie to turn up late and tell everyone he had the shits.
No that’s incredibly dumb.
Glad it's over.
I have serious respect for those who watched it a 2nd time so soon.
I have serious respect for those who watched it a 2nd time so soon.
Pretty cool idea that.
Have watched every episode this season twice despite not rating them highly but just couldn’t bring myself to rewatch that one.
The others for all their faults were still spectacles or somewhat entertaining - this one after the first 15 minutes was just horrid.
Because that would be incredibly shit and underwhelming.
When Dany dies, why doesn't her Khalasar collapse and start wreaking havoc on King's Landing and the surrounding lands? We saw in Season 1 & 2 that when Drogo died, his Khalasar split into numerous factions and starts raiding the nearby lands. It was only under Dany that the Dothraki were mostly prevented from raping/murdering the smallfolk of Westeros. Yet in the show, after the 3-4 week time skip, we find out that not only are the Dothraki still in King's Landing, they are seemingly just chill with waiting around for someone to tell them what to do. For the dothraki that Dany named as her bloodriders, shouldn't they have all immediately tried to find and kill Jon, to avenger her?
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They were scrapping the hereditary monarchy so once Bran dies, the North could again be controlled by an unfavourable ruler.
Well, for one thing, they aren't as powerful as they used to be. Most of them were wiped out in the battle of Winterfell and with no Unsullied to help them, they would twatted away by the armies of the North if they tried to raise hell.
I don't remember who is the poster said it but it was along side "this episode was slow and so fast at the same time".
We wasted valuable minutes with Tyrion searching for the bodies of his sis and bro.
The dragon burning the iron thrones was the worst thing i've ever seen. Why didn't they either:
a. Have the dragon burn Jon, only for Jon to walk out of the flames (because I assume these dragon people can actually do that?).
b. Actually kill fecking Jon, as keeping him alive achieved absolutely feck all. At least it would have been a worthy death.
Having the dragon suddenly become aware that the Iron Throne was the source of all conflict was absolutely fecking pathetic.
a. Have the dragon burn Jon, only for Jon to walk out of the flames (because I assume these dragon people can actually do that?).
b. Actually kill fecking Jon, as keeping him alive achieved absolutely feck all. At least it would have been a worthy death.
Having the dragon suddenly become aware that the Iron Throne was the source of all conflict was absolutely fecking pathetic.
As opposed to what happened? I mean it just didn’t make fecking sense.
They could have done that but millions of different people would have bitched and moaned about it being dumb.
There was no nightwatch. It was just the wildings and he joined them.
To add to that, I think here bloodriders already died before.
What's the reasoning behind keeping Tyrion alive for the unsullied ?
Despite Season 8 not being as good as everyone wanted (I personally thought it was OK on the whole and the ending was what I expected for the most part), I'd give the show in its entirety about an 8.5/10, or maybe a bit higher. I think the fact that this season took so long to arrive has built the majority of people's expectations way too much, probably so much so that it was never going to live up to the hype and a large amount of people would always be disappointed anyway. The biggest complaint I've seen is that there wasn't more killing and excitement in the finale, but after the two main battle episodes I always expected the ending to be something like it was.
My thoughts on the entire journey of Game of Thrones was that eventually, the end game point was to be in a place where war and killing are just a thing of the past. They managed to keep the brutality, ruthlessness, war, destruction etc all the way up to the second-to-last episode, so that was enough for me. Maybe some more major characters could have died, but I think it was poetic that Danny had to be the final death, and only death of a main character, in the finale episode after she had become what everyone else was trying to rid Westeros of.
Fitting ending, while not the best in most people's view.
My thoughts on the entire journey of Game of Thrones was that eventually, the end game point was to be in a place where war and killing are just a thing of the past. They managed to keep the brutality, ruthlessness, war, destruction etc all the way up to the second-to-last episode, so that was enough for me. Maybe some more major characters could have died, but I think it was poetic that Danny had to be the final death, and only death of a main character, in the finale episode after she had become what everyone else was trying to rid Westeros of.
Fitting ending, while not the best in most people's view.
The council mentioned that they had a huge army outside the castle ready to tear through it (illogical itself but that’s another point) so on that basis I guess you can assume that they had done a deal with them to keep him alive, seeing as they requested he be at the meeting.
Hilariously bad final season.
Absolutely laughable. Were Benioff and Weiss on crack when they concocted this monstrosity?
Absolutely laughable. Were Benioff and Weiss on crack when they concocted this monstrosity?
I can't be arsed sitting here picking holes in it, was terribly shite. The worst episode of the show.
That was the first and only time I’ve ever laughed out loud at Game of Thrones.
Hilariously moronic.
".....and I call it 'A Song of Ice and Fire' *winks at camera whilst Bronn says something naughty*
Glorious.
*winks at camera whilst Bronn says something naughty*Glorious.
Yes, what happened was definitely better than that.
People were already complaining that Arya got to kill the Night King. Imagine the reaction if she’d been the one to kill Daenerys too.
It also would’ve contradicted her final scene with the Hound too.
You can’t solve bad writing with even worse writing.
Whilst it wasnt as good as previous seasons some of you guys who are annoyed are really coming up with equally shit if not worse ideas
Really enjoyed everything up until Dany's death. The scenes of Drogon spreading his wings behind her, coming out of the snow, and burning the throne were all spectacular.
Everything after the time-jump (including the fecking time-jump itself) was pure dung though, just really lazy, poor, cliche ridden, everything you wouldn't want in a finale to GoT. An absolute shocker.
So, yeah, I'll just pretend it ended with the throne melting, or something.
Everything after the time-jump (including the fecking time-jump itself) was pure dung though, just really lazy, poor, cliche ridden, everything you wouldn't want in a finale to GoT. An absolute shocker.
So, yeah, I'll just pretend it ended with the throne melting, or something.
I act like it jumped from that to the stark montage at the end with things left up in the air.
I really doubt that’s how you’re supposed to process what happened.
Basically Drogon’s instinct was to rage burn Jon for killing Dany but couldn’t due to their familial/spiritual bond so fecked up the thing right next to him instead.
It was pretty lame but you’re projecting a conciousness onto Drogon that wasn’t there.
I read it that it didn't want anyone sitting on the throne apart from her, no?
Lazy writing. i think he's a fan favourite, along with jon so they didn't kill them.
don't try to search for logical explanations, i stopped doing that. this season has been extremely shit and th last episode was the epitome of that.
Is it really that illogical? The Knights of the Vale are allies of the Starks and would vastly outnumber the remaining Unsullied and Dothraki. Killing Jon Snow would continue the civil war with Greyworm’s side having no true leader to unite and lead them and the Unsullied without Daenerys and would be inevitably defeated by a northern coalition.
Thinking about it, there’s a half a season you could get out of that alone.
That was for Jon Snow. The north was loyal to him
If they had executed Tyrion, no one would have cared
To be fair to this last episode, it really suffered that we had to wait a week after episode 5 to watch this.
It really should’ve been a double episode. This could’ve solved a few uproars. One letting fans process the mad queen with an episode straight away to process. Second the anticlimatic last episode wouldn’t have seemed so anticlimatic.
I wonder if I ever do rewatch this season, if binging fixes a lot of the issues?
I was lucky enough to binge the last season of breaking bad and that was glorious.
It really should’ve been a double episode. This could’ve solved a few uproars. One letting fans process the mad queen with an episode straight away to process. Second the anticlimatic last episode wouldn’t have seemed so anticlimatic.
I wonder if I ever do rewatch this season, if binging fixes a lot of the issues?
I was lucky enough to binge the last season of breaking bad and that was glorious.
I was talking from a sense point of view, it made little sense for Jon to kill her the way he did when Arya was stood outside.
You mean as in you cant please eveyone? Yeah sure. But i was just floating around ideas, narrative choices always divide people but i just consider this ending just plain bad. Where as with say sopranos its still all very well done if not what i would have ideally wanted.