Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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My first reaction was that the poison was in the cake, but may be triggered by the mixture with Joffrey's wine. When Joffrey asked for the wine from Tyrion he remarked that the cake was very dry; maybe it was just to make a further example of Tyrion but if it was a combination of both then it meant that people could eat the cake, and drink the wine (although not the same wine that Joffrey had) and there would be no reactions like Joffrey's.
ah right. I suppose that would work better in terms of the story. Most would suspect the wine being the cause. If it's the pie, it opens it up for more people to be the killer.
I just watched it.
Well feck, slightly disappointing way for him to go but still awesome he's gone. Hope Tyrion can get out of the shit ASAP
Well feck, slightly disappointing way for him to go but still awesome he's gone. Hope Tyrion can get out of the shit ASAP
I'm one of the few who will miss him. I liked how much of a cnut he was, I found him funny in fact.
I would miss him too. But I found him intriguing more than funny
I liked how he put everyone on the spot. He never cared and put everyone down and got away with it for a long time. Not this time sadly.
I'm not so sure that you'd be one of the few. I mean, people hated his guts, but that's also a reason as to why he was such a good character for the show. I'll certainly miss him and the drama he created.
I started out as hating him for what he did to Ned but he grew on me. I looked forward to seeing him on screen, he was different to everyone else. He became one of my favourites.
I've just rewatched a few bits and am almost certain I've cracked it. I am actually quite impressed with myself for putting it together.
That's the most Irish he's ever looked.This shall cure you.
I'll take a pm to see what you've got.
That is speculation about future events. If it hasn't actually happened yet and been broadcast put it in spoiler tags or don't post. If it is from the books don't posts it or be banned.
It shows how amazing the show/book is when I start caring about this little shit dying.
Spoiler it if you're so confident. I'm curious to see everyone's opinion and how close it is to mine.
Just to clarify, is it speculation about future events if it is speculation about who did something using clues from the episode that just aired? I read the books so I'm obviously staying out of it, but just so everyone is sure what the rules are.
If it hasn't happened or been seen in an episode it is speculation and needs to be spoilered. You could talk about the clues in that they have been shown but not what they may mean. Best to just spoiler tga things.
There were dead birds in the pie and that may mean that
You should also label the content which can now be done as part of adding the tag.
There were dead birds in the pie and that may mean that
Walter White killed Joffrey
You should also label the content which can now be done as part of adding the tag.
Kinell people. We have had everything from hints to expalnations of things that could only be known from the books to wild specualtion.
STOP IT
Read the spoiler rules now as most of you don't seem to even know they exist.
I've been handing (mainly) zero point warnings out and deleted nearly 100 posts which is a colosal waste of my time. From now on 3 point (or more warnings) and thread bans will be the norm.
STOP IT
Read the spoiler rules now as most of you don't seem to even know they exist.
I've been handing (mainly) zero point warnings out and deleted nearly 100 posts which is a colosal waste of my time. From now on 3 point (or more warnings) and thread bans will be the norm.
Pretty certain this is how it happened after re-watching about 6 times and then reading up on different theories online. Don't read this if you don't want to know what probably actually happened:
It was all about Sansa's necklace. When Olenna plays with Sansa's hair, she takes one of the crystals. Marjorie then puts Joffrey's cup down next to her Grandmother who uses the crystal to poison Joffrey's wine. Also explains why the fool was able to sneak Sansa away beforehand.
I watched Joffrey's death scene again and...
they handed out pie to everyone, you can see plates of it on the tables. Also Tywin has some on his fork which makes me think it is not the pie that had the poison in.
What will really annoy me is if we find out who did it, but they don't explain how. Unlikely, but they kind of did that in Breaking bad a couple of times and it got on my nerves not knowing how.
Y'know the proper sad thing? I got the end spoiled by someone earlier this evening just as I was about to sit down and watch it. Gutted. Proper fuming, the spoiler is now deleted from my life.
Need to rewatch the end. I had a hunch something like this might happen though...
Speculation:
Need to rewatch the end. I had a hunch something like this might happen though...
Speculation:
I think they hinted at it in the last episode of the season when he started to hurl his weight about and stood up against Tywin. He was becoming a problem, a King they were struggling to control... on first thought, I think Tywins had a hand in this.
Had a thought he was going to die this season but didn't expect it so early because Joffs leech was last. So the leeches were out of order? Cunning feckers!
Had a thought he was going to die this season but didn't expect it so early because Joffs leech was last. So the leeches were out of order? Cunning feckers!
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So speculation is not allowed. Got to use the SPOILER tags.
You have deleted quite a lot of my posts in the thread. Sorry for the trouble.
What an amazing character, to steal a line from Louis C.K., when Joffrey was born it was a cnut coming out of a cnuts' cnut. Really enjoyed watching him die. Love this show and can't wait for next week!
Was a great scene. Im glad the little cnut is dead.
I was hoping he'd last a little longer if I'm honest. He was a terrific character, I felt so uncomfortable throughout that scene!
This is right, I think.
DO NOT OPEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW
The bead at the far right, Sansa's left, is missing in the last shot.
Dammit. There are others. That picture is a much easier explanation than my paragraph, too 
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Wasn't that the necklace the fool gave her too?
Speculation!!!! (second viewing)
Spotted a very clear head nod from Queen to be (can't remember her name) to the Bald headed no penis fella during the dwarf history lesson. You can see the bald headed fellas eyes are looking away from the dwarves and staring at the table, then you cut to Queen to be giving a clear nod in his direction.
She reminds me of my mother, motivated by her own desires without regards to anyone else including her children. I just got chills again.
The girl Ramsay was hunting and the one with the bow are the two girls he used to torture Theon in season 3.
Didn't notice it on my first watch but thought it was pretty cool.
Didn't notice it on my first watch but thought it was pretty cool.
Posting the ending is within the rules as it has already aired even if a considerate person would spoiler tag it. If you don't want to know what happened I'm afraid you need to avoid this thread from Sunday until you have watched the latest episode.
Due to some utter twat on the train who was loudly talking about what happened and he "should know because he has read the books" I know who was behind it - assuming it is the same as in the books of course. As this is book sourced material I'm not going to give anything away other than to say that there are many things in the episode that are clues and many that are not and are maybe even red herrings.
And yes, I told him he was a cnut for spoiling it for everyone in the carriage.
And yes, I told him he was a cnut for spoiling it for everyone in the carriage.
I don't see why she would kill him. With him dead, I'm sure she's lost claim to the throne. Unless she's not motivated by power in which case she may have killed him.
George RR Martin talks about Joffrey's death. Interesting that it's a take from a historical death that has vast speculation for centuries.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/13/george-r-r-martin-why-joffrey-killed/
For me, one of the most brilliant things you did is that you kill off these major characters at a wedding, and then you kill off another major character a few chapters later — at another wedding! I never would have predicted that, precisely because of how much you like to vary things.
Martin: I don’t know how it comes across in the show, because I haven’t actually seen it yet, but the poison that is used to kill Joffrey is one that I introduce earlier in the books and its symptoms are similar to choking. So a feast is the perfect time to use this thing. I think the intent of the murderer is not to have this become another Red Wedding—the Red Wedding was very clearly murder and butchery. I think the idea with Joffrey’s death was to make it look like an accident — someone’s out celebrating, they haven’t invented the Heimlich maneuver, so when someone gets food caught in his throat, it’s very serious. I based it a little on the death of Eustace, the son of King Stephen of England. Stephen had usurped the crown from his cousin, the empress Maude, and they fought a long civil war and the anarchy and the war would be passed down to second generation, because Maude had a son and Henry and Stephen had a son. But Eustace choked to death at a feast. People are still debating a thousand of years later: Did he choke to death or was he poisoned? Because by removing Eustace, it brought about a peace that ended the English civil war. Eustace’s death was accepted [as accidental], and I think that’s what the murderers here were hoping for — the whole realm will see Joffrey choke to death on a piece of pie or something. But what they didn’t count on, was Cersei’s immediate assumption that this was murder. Cersei wasn’t fooled by this for a second. She doesn’t believe that it was an accidental death. You saw the scene filmed, does it come across as he could possibly be just choking or is it very clear he’s been poisoned?
For me, one of the most brilliant things you did is that you kill off these major characters at a wedding, and then you kill off another major character a few chapters later — at another wedding! I never would have predicted that, precisely because of how much you like to vary things.
Martin: I don’t know how it comes across in the show, because I haven’t actually seen it yet, but the poison that is used to kill Joffrey is one that I introduce earlier in the books and its symptoms are similar to choking. So a feast is the perfect time to use this thing. I think the intent of the murderer is not to have this become another Red Wedding—the Red Wedding was very clearly murder and butchery. I think the idea with Joffrey’s death was to make it look like an accident — someone’s out celebrating, they haven’t invented the Heimlich maneuver, so when someone gets food caught in his throat, it’s very serious. I based it a little on the death of Eustace, the son of King Stephen of England. Stephen had usurped the crown from his cousin, the empress Maude, and they fought a long civil war and the anarchy and the war would be passed down to second generation, because Maude had a son and Henry and Stephen had a son. But Eustace choked to death at a feast. People are still debating a thousand of years later: Did he choke to death or was he poisoned? Because by removing Eustace, it brought about a peace that ended the English civil war. Eustace’s death was accepted [as accidental], and I think that’s what the murderers here were hoping for — the whole realm will see Joffrey choke to death on a piece of pie or something. But what they didn’t count on, was Cersei’s immediate assumption that this was murder. Cersei wasn’t fooled by this for a second. She doesn’t believe that it was an accidental death. You saw the scene filmed, does it come across as he could possibly be just choking or is it very clear he’s been poisoned?
Watching Joffrey I can't help but imagine this is similar to a young Caligula, granted the latter inherited the throne at nearly twice Joffrey's scripted age.
I would love for HBO to produce a Caligula series next. That would be fantastic.
I would love for HBO to produce a Caligula series next. That would be fantastic.