It was on skype mate. I avoid thIs thread like the plague until i've watched it!
Arrrrrgh. I hope you abused whoever it was.
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Arrrrrgh. I hope you abused whoever it was.
You have to watch pretty much the whole scene, not just the final bit.
My thoughts ...
It's the bird. H5N1, bird flu. Boom. Didn't see that coming. The bird definitely has something to do with it.
I like Bronn's take on life. Very simple and uncomplicated.
Reading the interview MrMarcello posted it states Joffrey's actor is quitting the profession. What a shame, he was nothing short of brilliant
Nice one did not notice this.
It's not the pie. You can clearly see Tywin tucking in. Although I can't imagine it's too healthy seeing as it contains freshly cleaved raw dove.
Looks like
Looks like
the pictures above tell the story. It's poison in the wine that Diana Rigg got from Sansa's necklace which was given to her by the fat jester in the episode before. Hence him quickly whisking her away. Tyrion seems to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Nah, just re-watched the scene and Tywin doesn't eat any. Only Joffery eats the pie.It's not the pie. You can clearly see Tywin tucking in. Although I can't imagine it's too healthy seeing as it contains freshly cleaved raw dove.
Looks likethe pictures above tell the story. It's poison in the wine that Diana Rigg got from Sansa's necklace which was given to her by the fat jester in the episode before. Hence him quickly whisking her away. Tyrion seems to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
My Opinion:
I don't think the bird has anything to do with it really, would be a bit shit to kill off Joffery accidentally. I also don't think it is the pie because it gets handed out to everybody on the head table and I doubt there is anybody with enough incentive to kill all those people... Oberyn Martell would be the only person really?
I think it had to be the wine and surely the only person who was close enough to only poison Joffreys was Lady Tyrell?
I think it had to be the wine and surely the only person who was close enough to only poison Joffreys was Lady Tyrell?
Sigur Ros's nice version of Rains of Castemere.
"Mother, what is Munchausen-by-proxy?"
Was referring to "It's not the pie. You can clearly see Tywin tucking in."
My thoughts on this episode: about fecking time!
Awesome, awesome show.
Awesome, awesome show.
Maybe it is a combination of both of them. A reaction poison so to speak.
Times like this I wish I hadn't read the b***s. Great sense of anticipation throughout the wedding, but it's not so fun when you know what's happening at the end.
Id been anticipating that death for a while now as somebody book spoliered me during the first season. Glad its finally out the way though, I can finally watch the show and remain clueless.
Same but unlike you I was reading about this elsewhere yesterday and some gimp had posted another spoiler in the comments section so I've now got that to look forward to.
I give up. Probably best to stay off the internet full stop when it comes to this show.
Having watched it twice I still can't work out exactly who it was. But I did notice loads of red herrings, or clear camera angles that presume to be red herrings. Details in spoiler:
The focused angle on dead birds was an immediate red herring for me. Tyrion staring at the cup bemused was another. If the pie was poisoned then Tywin, Diana Rigg, etc, were a couple of seconds away from sticking their forks into their mouths. This death seemed like a targeted act rather than random poisoning.
I'm leaning towards the cup being poisoned, while at the table. How many hands touched the cup prior to the death? Tyrion, Sansa (did she switch cups or administer the poison while picking it up?) and of course the new Queen. Tyrion and even Sansa weren't making any great escapes (it was Ser Dontos urging Sansa away). The one person I expected to be by the dying king's side was the new Queen, but she departed sharpish with her mother. And that's where Joffrey was pointing before expiring.
We've got the who and I guess the necklace picture above completes the how. I don't think the Tyrells were ever interested in the Throne, though not quite sure what their real motives are yet. General revenge most likely.
I'm leaning towards the cup being poisoned, while at the table. How many hands touched the cup prior to the death? Tyrion, Sansa (did she switch cups or administer the poison while picking it up?) and of course the new Queen. Tyrion and even Sansa weren't making any great escapes (it was Ser Dontos urging Sansa away). The one person I expected to be by the dying king's side was the new Queen, but she departed sharpish with her mother. And that's where Joffrey was pointing before expiring.
We've got the who and I guess the necklace picture above completes the how. I don't think the Tyrells were ever interested in the Throne, though not quite sure what their real motives are yet. General revenge most likely.
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Sorry, as there's no preview I had to post random text to make sure it got spoilered properly. Real text now added.
Speculation:
Margaery, her grandmother and Lord Varys are all in on it. As I said last night, Margaery and Lord Varys exchanged a long look, Margaery gave a head nod in his direction too before the pie was brought out. Which makes me think both the Pie and the Wine was required to kill. I imagine the Tyrells realising what a monster Joffrey is wanted to have nothing to do with him. Margaery referred to him as an animal and a monster back in Season 3 and it was obvious what she thought of him during the wedding. Also notice how Margaery fork fed Joffrey the pie then handed him the wine. Brilliant.
Yep, I'm still not sure if the pie and wine mixture is the combo killer but Margeary was definitely apprehensive and then immediately excited by the pie's arrival. Her excitement was too obvious which could be red herring number 3 from a pie perspective. She was however very insistent on 'toasting' and drinking wine as much as possible. Probably finding the opportune moment to get the poison into Joff.
I think its straightforward wine poisoning in his cup only. Finding that opportune moment of handing him the wine when Joffrey said the pie was dry. Like you mentioned. As for others being in on it, I agree. Varys held a fondness for Sansa and her dad so would have been party to it.
I think its straightforward wine poisoning in his cup only. Finding that opportune moment of handing him the wine when Joffrey said the pie was dry. Like you mentioned. As for others being in on it, I agree. Varys held a fondness for Sansa and her dad so would have been party to it.
She pointed Tyrion towards the particular cup of wine that she wanted him to serve to Joffrey when he was eating his pie and called him and asked for the wine.
True I missed that. But the one thing that gets me with my Columbo hat on is the motive. Yes everyone wants the Joff dead but who has the most to gain at this particular moment, on this particular day? I've been speaking to my work colleague (who I am assured is a non-book fan) and he's thrown a different perspective on it with regards to motive. Thinking further on his observations I'm beginning to join those dots.
I won't post his observations on here due to minimal risk they could be book related.
Speculation:
I think it's several motives.
- He was a monster, a terrible King and would have been an awful husband. Margaery asked Sansa a number of times what she thought of him. Margaery and her family wasn't impressed by Joffs actions during the wedding as it was! Margaery was seen berating his name a number of times last season. They seem a more noble family, the Lannisters don't have a good reputation if you think about it. For good reason!
- Weren't the grandmother and Tywin talking about money a lot? Margaerys family are extremely wealthy which was the reason the Lannisters agreed to the wedding in the first place. So by taking Joffrey out, I think they've taken away the pressure of having to hand over vast sums of money to the Lannisters.
- This could be a great way of removing the Lannisters once and for all. Jamie won't be getting married any time soon, he has no children. Tyrion has no children either and he's not considered a true Lannister anyway! Cersei has one boy left? So by killing Joffrey they've crippled the Lannisters line from what I can see?
So who had Joffry in their Games of Thrones Death Pool this season?
Speculation:
I don't doubt for a second that Little Finger is involved in all of this. Conspicuous by his absence.
That is exactly the theory my work colleague was talking about. Now that its out here I will explain why I go along with this:
Motive: Cersei would lose queenship to Margeary that night (consumating). She would marry a 'pillow biter' and lose her beloved brolover once again, and this time forever. The geezer from Dorne was intent on revenge for her sister and Cersei would be prime candidate for a like for like sword trick.
Reasons: I was sympathising with Cersei recently. But in this episode she acted like a true bitch. Food for the dogs, Brianny slap down, laughing at Tyrion's humiliation. Lest we forget she is a poison maestro. Varys has been the poison supplier in the past, no questions asked, so that could explain his unease. She has been indirectly linked to mild poisoning of her husband, which led to his death by boar. Ned Stark was getting close to solving that mystery too. So why not her uncontrollable and soon to be lost son? I'm watching the complete episode again tonight to see if this line of reasoning holds up.
Motive: Cersei would lose queenship to Margeary that night (consumating). She would marry a 'pillow biter' and lose her beloved brolover once again, and this time forever. The geezer from Dorne was intent on revenge for her sister and Cersei would be prime candidate for a like for like sword trick.
Reasons: I was sympathising with Cersei recently. But in this episode she acted like a true bitch. Food for the dogs, Brianny slap down, laughing at Tyrion's humiliation. Lest we forget she is a poison maestro. Varys has been the poison supplier in the past, no questions asked, so that could explain his unease. She has been indirectly linked to mild poisoning of her husband, which led to his death by boar. Ned Stark was getting close to solving that mystery too. So why not her uncontrollable and soon to be lost son? I'm watching the complete episode again tonight to see if this line of reasoning holds up.
I know he went to the Vale of Arryn
"Look the pie !! " is something I'm gonna say each time a pie is served.
I'm going to grab my Valerian sword and slice it through each time a pie is served.
"Valerian sword" is that what the cool kids are calling their cocks these days?
Regarding "The Pie" being served to everyone and it therefore not being a "targeted" attack on Joffrey, I'd say the only way that it could be the Pie is if it was a Tyrel plan as Margery executed it by making sure that Joffrey was the first, and by default only, person to eat the Pie.
I agree, if the pie was the culprit, they would have known the poison was fast acting and therefore Joffrey would be squirming around on the floor before anyone else went near it.
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