Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

SquishyMcSquish said:
He's constantly in charge of battles though, which is a problem. You get the feeling he's going to want to continue to be in charge of battles as well.
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Yes - bit random!


His general wit in the battlefield is not there. A warrior without brains, like John Terry almost. Except he's not a racist git.
 
The opening scene with the Dothraki and the flames was fecking fantastic.

The climax of the episode, eh, not so much...
 
Raees said:
He’s only in charge of battles because he has been thrust into that role. He doesn’t actively seek conflict albeit when he’s put in a pressure situation where his loved ones are at risk he goes for the jugular brainlessly as is befitting of his stark lineage and well the Targaeyran side doesn’t lend itself to ice cold tactical thinking either.
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Robb was a Stark though, and while he made a brainless decision by marrying Talisa, he was a great tactician. He was also far less of a 'i want to do it all' merchant than Jon Snow and was aware of his own limitations, refusing to fight Jaime 1 on 1.
 
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People getting this excited over something so dumb makes me happy. It's rare but sometimes the simple stupidity of people is lovely.
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I like the way they're all tense as feck on the off-chance the White Walkers just wipe out everyone and that's it.:lol:
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Robb was a Stark though, and while he made a brainless decision by marrying Talisa, he was a great tactician. He was also far less of a 'i want to do it all' merchant than Jon Snow and was aware of his own limitations, refusing to fight Jaime 1 on 1.
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Yes but that marriage was a poor tactical decision - he could have done it in a more deceptive way and he didn’t - leading to his death. For me being a great leader isn’t just being strong tactically on the battle field but politically too.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I believe Martin has a different intention for the Night King that is not so black and white.

I believe in the books, the Night King will be inextricably connected to Bran/Three Eyed Raven in a deeper way than depicted in the show. They are either two halves of the same whole, some type of duality or literally the same type of non-linear magic entity. I don't think the Night King was drawing his sword to kill Bran, at least not in the books he won't be. Its possible he was drawing his sword to swear fealty. Maybe Bran is, in a multiple personality way that is hinted at in the show, actually the real Night King.

The Hodor/Hold the Door aspect that delves into a non-linear time thing I think has something to do with this. I think the show took the easy out because they couldn't deal with the complexities as well as Martin hadn't fully finalized his plans here (he also gave an interview where he said he intentionally changed things in Winds of Winter book to continue going in different direction than the show which got an earlier outline of his intended ending). So since the show didn't develop this more grey telling of the NK, I think that is one area martin will get into in the books more - the Night King - Three Eyed Raven connection to the Children of the Forest and whole question of why this Long Night is even a thing.

I think in the books, to kill the Night King, they will have to kill Bran.
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Actually just said this to my brother on whats app this afternoon
i think jon will kill bran in the next 3 episodes. I just think there's some unexplained connection between bran and the NK and that story isn't finished
 
Pretty good episode but not anywhere near 'the best TV episode ever'. Have accepted that they have limitations to fully pull this off with the budgetary restraints and enjoy the show for what it is. Sadly it does make me long for him to finish the books as they will do it it better but unfortunately the show is likely the only ending we'll ever get. Overall it's still an incredible show without being the best show around.
 
Raees said:
Yes but that marriage was a poor tactical decision - he could have done it in a more deceptive way and he didn’t - leading to his death. For me being a great leader isn’t just being strong tactically on the battle field but politically too.
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Sure, but he was a naive kid at the time who fell in love.

Of course being a leader is much more than just being great on the battlefield, but it's pretty clear Jon shouldn't be in charge of any armies at this point. He's far too headstrong and individualistic, he can't be relied upon to take a step back and think about the rest of the battle.
 
OutlawGER said:
To those complaing about the darkness: Of course they had to use some tricks with their budgets. They obviously were not able to animate the whole episode with a massive authentic WW army together with the dragons, magic, fire, etc etc etc.

Also the darkness helped for the 'horror' feeling, so it was a good choice.
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personally i had no issue with the darkness. it was the sound that i was most upset about
 
OutlawGER said:
In a few years all of us will remember this as a true masterpiece of TV. I already do.
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I think I need to give it a second watch. First time round was quite dark which was an issue.

For me it was a great episode and loads of fun, but with a few too many flaws to be a true masterpiece.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I think I need to give it a second watch. First time round was quite dark which was an issue.

For me it was a great episode and loads of fun, but with a few too many flaws to be a true masterpiece.
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Turn your brightness way up. I done it tonight and its like an entirely different episode
 
Cheesy said:
I like the way they're all tense as feck on the off-chance the White Walkers just wipe out everyone and that's it.:lol:
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I've seen this exact video with a football game on that screen, with boobs being flashed, with random other videos before. It's sadly fake. :lol:
 
Lyricist said:
I've seen this exact video with a football game on that screen, with boobs being flashed, with random other videos before. It's sadly fake. :lol:
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Indeed it is. The internet beat me this time. :(

The other videos are legit though.
 
Also Theon is a massive character death. He has been a main part of the show for most seasons.
 
This made me smile on youtube
"Fan 1 : Bran Stark is destined to fly. He will ride a dragon. Fan 2 : Bran Stark will wrag a Dragon to defeat night king. Fan 3 : Bran Stark is the Night King !!! Reality : Bran playing Raven Stimulation this entire time"
 
There were some really good bits in that episode and some quite shit stuff.

Good stuff - Flaming swords and just priest woman flaming shit up in general, genuinely tense zombie mgs sequence with Arya that made me jump when they burst through the wrong door :lol:

Shit stuff - bottle job with killing more of the major characters to the extent that they were literally the only ones left at the end, Arya delivering an rko out of nowhere.

Oh and glad that others are saying it was too dark. I thought my TV was fecked. Was barely watchable at times.
 
kidbob said:
Also Theon is a massive character death. He has been a main part of the show for most seasons.
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True, but at the same time his death was kinda painfully obvious. Not sure there was one more likely than him.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
There were some really good bits in that episode and some quite shit stuff.

Good stuff - Flaming swords and just priest woman flaming shit up in general, genuinely tense zombie mgs sequence with Arya that made me jump when they burst through the wrong door :lol:

Shit stuff - bottle job with killing more of the major characters to the extent that they were literally the only ones left at the end, Arya delivering an rko out of nowhere.

Oh and glad that others are saying it was too dark. I thought my TV was fecked. Was barely watchable at times.
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Same for me, specially the part where the wights started to charge. I try to adjust settings but it was impossible to get a decent image
 
Epic fight scenes and good build up of tension, But i can't help but feel let down with the death of the Night King ,never read any of the books ,but i was expecting him to last longer than that ,considering the whole series from the first season was leading up to this. Now it's down to Cersei being the main villain, be pissed if it ends up with her sitting on that throne.
 
lsd said:
Why does everyone think Theon died ?
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Because we saw him die?

SquishyMcSquish said:
:lol: I got all excited when it looked like Sam was being eaten.

Genuinely laughed out loud when Jon took one look at him about to be mauled to death and then just fecked off.

I had a similar reaction when Lyanna Mormont died. Her 'I'm a very angry little girl who IS JUST AS CAPABLE AS YOU' act got boring real quickly.

like feck off love you're about 3 feet tall a zombie squirrel could have taken you out.
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Oh no you didn't! Lyanna is a total and utter badass and should have survived and told Danny to go suck a sick

Loved this episode from start to finish.
 
Great episode of television, had me on tenderhooks with a great ending. Loved every second.
 
LInkash said:
For people criticising the Dothraki charge, it's all they know, they have no plan B. They're like Sarri's Chelsea. They have history of it, going head first into Unsullied and losing https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Qohor
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Thats fine and dandy, but when your opponent can raise the dead that changes your plan. It's up to the commanders to ensure they're used correctly.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
He's the worst military commander ever.

In the Battle of the Bastards he charged head on because he got overly emotional, playing right in to Ramsay's hands and getting his army slaughtered. In this one he allowed the dothraki cavalry (a large bulk of their forces?) to be annihilated in about 10 seconds because they charged with zero support, and then spent the rest of the episode trying (and failing) to be a hero.

He doesn't command, he's just a great warrior. People keep talking about him as a King or a leader when really he's just very good with a sword and a honourable bloke. He's led two battles and his army has been destroyed in both, and he's only 'won' because Sansa and Arya came up with the clutch.

The Dothraki should have been forced to fight on foot and clearly instructed that cavalry charges will not be effective against this kind of enemy, Jon should have known that. That would have been 40 thousand more men (some of the finest warriors they have to boot) holding the line rather than thrown away at the start.

I hope someone calls him out for all of it. Doubt it though.
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He comes across as a good person but quite dumb and naive in the books too. Hence the hole "you know nothing Jon Snow". Literally knows feck all.

But the show writers made him an extra level of dumb today. He had entered a staring contest with a wight dragon, for god knows what reason, and had Arya not pulled off the clutch he would've been thoroughly crispy.
 
Who or what was Bran warging after using the ravens to get a visual on the Night King?

Watched it a second time and still maintain it's really good episode. For the supposed 'heroes' of the story Dany and Jon didn't do an awful lot, which, I guess was a nice twist. Kind of put an end to the set up of Jon vs the NK that we were given after the hardhome battle.
 
MadMike said:
He comes across as a good person but quite dumb and naive in the books too. Hence the hole "you know nothing Jon Snow". Literally knows feck all.

But the show writers made him an extra level of dumb today. He had entered a staring contest with a wight dragon, for god knows what reason, and had Arya not pulled off the clutch he would've been thoroughly crispy.
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He's a targ. Fire can't hurt him.

That dragon was shaping up for a Jon Snow snacc.
 
RedSky said:
Thats fine and dandy, but when your opponent can raise the dead that changes your plan. It's up to the commanders to ensure they're used correctly.
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Aye, if they're capable of crossing an entire continent and fighting in unknown terrain, they're surely capable of a slight tactical variation.
 
Fully Fledged said:
By at worst I mean that they are defiantly not tier three.
Someone said that they said in an earlier episode that there were only two giants left and we know how the one died. He would have been burnt.
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Having watched the ending of season 7 again, there were more than 2 giants but like you said, could have easily been burned anyway
 
Cheesy said:
Aye, if they're capable of crossing an entire continent and fighting in unknown terrain, they're surely capable of a slight tactical variation.
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I'm not even sure how they were feeding 40 thousand horses (alongside god knows how many troops, hiding civilians etc) in a frozen wasteland.

That said .. it's a tv show so I can ignore that shit :lol:
 
Cheesy said:
Aye, if they're capable of crossing an entire continent and fighting in unknown terrain, they're surely capable of a slight tactical variation.
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Sarri made his way from Serie A to the Prem, doesn't mean he can vary his tactics though. I suppose he'll get top 4 now but that's only due to the incompetence of the white walkers, such a good first half until a mistake from De Night King. What are we talking about again?
 
Carl said:
Was really hoping she'd be the one to kill Cersei (wearing Tyrion or Jaime's face) but I'd say that looks unlikely now she's killed the NK.
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Tyrion, Jaime or Sansa. Maybe she doesn't even die. Maybe she turns babyface and tells everyone "you can't see me!" for the next 3 episodes. ... Or she just gets imprisoned.

I think Jaime will kill her tbh. They probably die together, Romeo and Juliet style.
 
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