Yes, confirmed in next week's preview episode
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Amazing episode with great effects. People have to understand they have 6 episodes to wrap up the whole show so things have to come to an end at some point.
Kind of his deal now. His lack of humanity.
He's the worst military commander ever.
In the Battle of the Bastards he charged head on because he got overly emotional, playing right in to Ramsay's hands and getting his army slaughtered. In this one he allowed the dothraki cavalry (a large bulk of their forces?) to be annihilated in about 10 seconds because they charged with zero support, and then spent the rest of the episode trying (and failing) to be a hero.
He doesn't command, he's just a great warrior. People keep talking about him as a King or a leader when really he's just very good with a sword and a honourable bloke. He's led two battles and his army has been destroyed in both, and he's only 'won' because Sansa and Arya came up with the clutch.
The Dothraki should have been forced to fight on foot and clearly instructed that cavalry charges will not be effective against this kind of enemy, Jon should have known that. That would have been 40 thousand more men (some of the finest warriors they have to boot) holding the line rather than thrown away at the start.
I hope someone calls him out for all of it. Doubt it though.
She was. I love Arya. Been my favourite character throughout the show and she kicked ass in this.
No fecks given. Heck he told Meera Reed to feck off after she dragged his ass for a few episodes and her brother died for him. At least he thanked Theon, that's progress I suppose.
Also the dagger that bran gave to arya in the exact spot that the NK gets killed.
Theon has been one of the major characters right back since the start of season one. How the feck is he not major character? He's had more screen time than most.
And one of the best character development arcs.
Up there with the best actors/performers in the show too. Big death for sure.
Wow them battlefield tactics...
The space between lines and lack of firepower, It's like watching United.
Good episode all in all, can't wait for the next few episodes but I'm happy this is the last season.
The space between lines and lack of firepower, It's like watching United.
Good episode all in all, can't wait for the next few episodes but I'm happy this is the last season.
That was fecking brutal. "Thanks for dragging me half way across the world, but you can go now. Don't let the door hit you on the way out"
Yea, we've been hearing this winter is coming shite for years and then one good battle and hes defeated.
Plus it would've been a fitting end for characters like Jaime & Brienne to take out WW's as there farewells.
Haha, i get your point, but realistically this should be impossible to defeat her right now, shouldn't it? To me it looked like at least 90% of the whole northern and Danys army was wiped today. All Dotrahki, most insullied and probably most northmen too. Also they (probably?) lost another Dragon while Cersei seems to have a decent army right now.
Especially Dany lost almost everything she had to offer. Jon could basically tell her to feck off now.
They probably have to play some political games to stand a chance.
By at worst I mean that they are defiantly not tier three.
Someone said that they said in an earlier episode that there were only two giants left and we know how the one died. He would have been burnt.
I got all excited when it looked like Sam was being eaten.Genuinely laughed out loud when Jon took one look at him about to be mauled to death and then just fecked off.
I had a similar reaction when Lyanna Mormont died. Her 'I'm a very angry little girl who IS JUST AS CAPABLE AS YOU' act got boring real quickly.
like feck off love you're about 3 feet tall a zombie squirrel could have taken you out.
Being a King is different to being a tactician. That's what his hand will be for (whoever it ends up being). His qualities make him perfect to be King. Just, fair, selfless, honorable, loved, impressionable, etc.
I said precisely the same. If he was the one responsible for that 'plan' then it was utter dogshit. Why even attack at night anyway? (I know budget reasons), why not at least give the Dothraki some Dragon support when they charge in? How about the Dragons put some fire down on the field first so it gives everyone a little advanced warning of the shit storm to come? There wasn't even many people firing arrows, when all the undead stood still at the trench I don't think I saw any get shot! I mean wtf are they actually doing.
I get that they didn't have much time to prepare and they thought that they'd be defending the Wall rather than Winterfell. But surely they could have come up with a slightly better plan. Jon saw what happened at Hardhome, so why the feck would he greenlight a suicidal charge of 40,000 (or however many were left) of their best warriors? It did provide an awesome cinematic with the flaming swords going out and it also meant that no Dothraki was needed which for budget reasons was probably ideal and that is why GoT story telling is pretty shit nowadays. Cool cinematics take priority over common sense.
Yup Jon is a good fighter but he's vastly inferior to Robb or Jaime or someone in commanding battle.
All the good commanders are dead (Stannis, Robb, Tywin), if the Golden Company have anything about them Cersei should murder Dany, Jon and Tyrion.
This. They'd basically won the war at that point.
Genuinely laughed out loud when Jon took one look at him about to be mauled to death and then just fecked off.
I had a similar reaction when Lyanna Mormont died. Her 'I'm a very angry little girl who IS JUST AS CAPABLE AS YOU' act got boring real quickly.
like feck off love you're about 3 feet tall a zombie squirrel could have taken you out.
I like your spiritIt's not really a heartbreaking got style death in the sense of Ned or Robb or Oberyn or whatever. His only natural next development was dying a hero.
Redemption arc.
He's constantly in charge of battles though, which is a problem. You get the feeling he's going to want to continue to be in charge of battles as well.
That scene where Arya is escaping the wights in library is straight out from the Last of Us!
Also after waiting a thousand years to finally kill his mortal enemy, couldnt the night king wait another hour for his minions to kill everyone before walking in like a tit.
That part amused me, not only did the wights didn't get shot but no one seemed to be ready on the walls before they breached, wtf were they doing between the moment the trenches got lit and the wights started opening breaches ?I said precisely the same. If he was the one responsible for that 'plan' then it was utter dogshit. Why even attack at night anyway? (I know budget reasons), why not at least give the Dothraki some Dragon support when they charge in? How about the Dragons put some fire down on the field first so it gives everyone a little advanced warning of the shit storm to come? There wasn't even many people firing arrows, when all the undead stood still at the trench I don't think I saw any get shot! I mean wtf are they actually doing.
I get that they didn't have much time to prepare and they thought that they'd be defending the Wall rather than Winterfell. But surely they could have come up with a slightly better plan. Jon saw what happened at Hardhome, so why the feck would he greenlight a suicidal charge of 40,000 (or however many were left) of their best warriors? It did provide an awesome cinematic with the flaming swords going out and it also meant that no Dothraki was needed which for budget reasons was probably ideal and that is why GoT story telling is pretty shit nowadays. Cool cinematics take priority over common sense.
Nah, I pointed out to someone a few pages back that last season we were shown footage of the army and there were several giants walking, at least 4. That doesn't overly matter though what with cost restrictions they couldn't do everything, I guess we just have to believe the other giants were attacking different parts of the castle.
I think you may be right there, sounds like a great story line if so.
He spent 90% of the episode challenging people to a staring contest.
Absolutely, just chill at the back and wait till literally all humans are dead. Easy win.
He’s only in charge of battles because he has been thrust into that role. He doesn’t actively seek conflict albeit when he’s put in a pressure situation where his loved ones are at risk he goes for the jugular brainlessly as is befitting of his stark lineage and well the Targaeyran side doesn’t lend itself to ice cold tactical thinking either.
Oh my gad
He wasn't dead last we saw him . Was waiting for him to do one last push ala Jorah
I laughed so hard when Beric Dondarrion tells the Hound they need him, and he's just told to "Feck off"
In a few years all of us will remember this as a true masterpiece of TV. I already do.
Oberyn was an idiot. It's normally a bad guy trope to keep talking until the good guy can kill you. That time they turned it around. I was STFU okay you're dead.