Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Cheesy said:
I had both spoiled for me but they're still great moments anyway. I'd heard that Robb died, but didn't know his mother and wife would so when they killed both of them as well I was fairly shocked.

The acting performances are all superb like you say, but I'm not too big on Daenerys. Maybe it's because everyone else who is good at all seems to constantly suffer, while she always seems to end up triumphing.Hopefully she'll end up going mad though like her father and brother. That'd make a good plotline actually: if she was power and gradually was driven mad like many of her family.
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I really like the change of tone and the feel of destiny with her story to be honest, though that would be good if it went down that route. It's not unimaginable that she could go a bit mental - I think that's within her character now. She's already so different from the timid little thing that was given away by her brother and that could be a great development.

Ha, it's funny because I feel hesitant in speculating given that the story has already been written. I bet there are a load of smug book readers looking over this thread and laughing... :D
 
Mystry said:
You want Daenerys to become Queen? She's one of the characters I want killed off(though I know that is not going to happen anytime soon).
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Yeah, I'm really taken with that story. I don't know how that fits in with Tyrion coming out on top mind you, which is top of the wish list.
 
What Daenerys not dying? That's just an assumption what with her having such a major role. I know major characters get killed off quiet easily but she's not going to die until she makes it to Westeros along with her army and dragons. Then again with it clearly building towards that perhaps George R R Martin will throw a curve ball.
 
KingEric7 said:
I really like the change of tone and the feel of destiny with her story to be honest, though that would be good if it went down that route. It's not unimaginable that she could go a bit mental - I think that's within her character now. She's already so different from the timid little thing that was given away by her brother and that could be a great development.

Ha, it's funny because I feel hesitant in speculating given that the story has already been written. I bet there are a load of smug book readers looking over this thread and laughing... :D
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It would be even more typical of the show actually if you had her take over after someone like Joffrey to give you an uplifting feeling of someone good being in charge, before then turning her insane. What I do like though is that even though she's not really my favourite character, the fact that she's yet to encounter most of the shows main characters means there's a lot that can be done with her presuming she does eventually get to Westeros.

Jorah doesn't help either. He was okay in season 1 but every season between them is predictable now. He could do with betraying her for some reason, forcing her to then kill him and start to become a less likable character or something along those lines.
 
KingEric7 said:
Yeah, I'm really taken with that story. I don't know how that fits in with Tyrion coming out on top mind you, which is top of the wish list.
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That's what I mean about people hating her. She's like Marmite I guess.

Mystry said:
What Daenerys not dying? That's just an assumption what with her having such a major role. I know major characters get killed off quiet easily but she's not going to die until she makes it to Westeros along with her army and dragons. Then again with it clearly building towards that perhaps George R R Martin will throw a curve ball.
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Yeah, I knew it wasn't a spoiler, you're not that dozy. :D
 
Mystry said:
What Daenerys not dying? That's just an assumption what with her having such a major role. I know major characters get killed off quiet easily but she's not going to die until she makes it to Westeros along with her army and dragons. Then again with it clearly building towards that perhaps George R R Martin will throw a curve ball.
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Even by the standards of this show which can surprise you, I'd be shocked if she just died without actually getting to Westeros. It would make most of her story pretty much pointless unless she was to do that at some point. It's once she gets there though that things get interesting. Either way I don't think she'll finish the series as a good, noble queen on the iron throne. It's probably the most predictable thing the show could do so it'll surely avoid that.
 
Cheesy said:
Even by the standards of this show which can surprise you, I'd be shocked if she just died without actually getting to Westeros. It would make most of her story pretty much pointless unless she was to do that at some point. It's once she gets there though that things get interesting. Either way I don't think she'll finish the series as a good, noble queen on the iron throne. It's probably the most predictable thing the show could do so it'll surely avoid that.
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I would genuinely laugh if after spending ages building up her army, with dragons fully grown and finally acquiring a fleet of ships that she gets killed.

Perhaps it's just me and my hatred for her but she doesn't seem all that noble. She is after all trying to forcibly take the throne after her father was usurped for being a massive bastard.
 
Cheesy said:
It would be even more typical of the show actually if you had her take over after someone like Joffrey to give you an uplifting feeling of someone good being in charge, before then turning her insane. What I do like though is that even though she's not really my favourite character, the fact that she's yet to encounter most of the shows main characters means there's a lot that can be done with her presuming she does eventually get to Westeros.

Jorah doesn't help either. He was okay in season 1 but every season between them is predictable now. He could do with betraying her for some reason, forcing her to then kill him and start to become a less likable character or something along those lines.
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Yeah, must admit I really like that idea to be honest. My feelings are that her story warrants at least an initially successful resolution, but to see that happen afterward would be more fitting.

Jorah reminds me of Russell Crowe. Don't know why. His role has hit a bit of a dead end for now but hopefully he'll become less pointless. Maybe she'll kill him when she's gone mad after finding out he was feeding info to the other side? :)

Twigg said:
That's what I mean about people hating her. She's like Marmite I guess.



Yeah, I knew it wasn't a spoiler, you're not that dozy. :D
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Seems like it! Would agree that it's her story I like more than her character, mind you. She's more than sufficient for the role, but I don't see her acting performance as standing out like Tyrion's or Tywin's, for example. Still, great story.
 
I've not read any of the books so this isn't any sort of spoiler but I'm expecting her to be a bit evil and provide a bit of ambiguity to the fact that she is obviously a protagonist. I expect her to be an incredibly strong leader and sea already shown that she is ruthless in achieving her goals. It's only because she appears to have a moral compass that you're happy to support her despite her obvious coldness.
 
KingEric7 said:
Seems like it! Would agree that it's her story I like more than her character, mind you. She's more than sufficient for the role, but I don't see her acting performance as standing out like Tyrion's or Tywin's, for example. Still, great story.
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I guess it is her story that I'm enjoying rather than her herself. You don't look at her and think wow, what a fecking character, like you do with the two Lannisters you mentioned, or some of the other characters.

Pexbo said:
I've not read any of the books so this isn't any sort of spoiler but I'm expecting her to be a bit evil and provide a bit of ambiguity to the fact that she is obviously a protagonist. I expect her to be an incredibly strong leader and sea already shown that she is ruthless in achieving her goals. It's only because she appears to have a moral compass that you're happy to support her despite her obvious coldness.
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You're saying she's a sort of anti hero?
 
I watched it all recently as well. It's obviously a quality show and I was loving it at times but I'm not dying for it to return yet or anything.

Season 1 was probably my favourite. 2 and 3 have sort of blended together in my mind since I watched them all back to back.

I kind of knew what was going to happen in Rains of Castamere too, not exactly but I had an idea, which slightly lessened the impact for me unfortunately.
 
Mystry said:
I would genuinely laugh if after spending ages building up her army, with dragons fully grown and finally acquiring a fleet of ships that she gets killed.

Perhaps it's just me and my hatred for her but she doesn't seem all that noble. She is after all trying to forcibly take the throne after her father was usurped for being a massive bastard.
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That is true, although what makes her more interesting is that her arse of a brother probably spent his whole life telling her how great he was and how they were wronged by all the other evil people. It'd be interesting actually if Joffrey was dead or usurped by the time she invaded and they had someone who was a good, worthy king on the throne which she would still want to take. At the moment she has the excuse of the current king being a psycho.
 
KingEric7 said:
Yeah, must admit I really like that idea to be honest. My feelings are that her story warrants at least an initially successful resolution, but to see that happen afterward would be more fitting.

Jorah reminds me of Russell Crowe. Don't know why. His role has hit a bit of a dead end for now but hopefully he'll become less pointless. Maybe she'll kill him when she's gone mad after finding out he was feeding info to the other side? :)
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I agree to an extent. It'd be really shit if she just died without even giving a proper invasion, but at the same time it'd be even worse if she invaded, became queen, and just reigned happily ever after.

And would the lords and important people of Westeros accept a queen? They all seem very sexist with all their succession laws and as queen she'd have to put up with people who might not be so fond of her. Dealing with people who worship her is a lot easier than dealing with guys like Littlefinger and Varys whose motives aren't always so clear.
 
Cheesy said:
I agree to an extent. It'd be really shit if she just died without even giving a proper invasion, but at the same time it'd be even worse if she invaded, became queen, and just reigned happily ever after.

And would the lords and important people of Westeros accept a queen? They all seem very sexist with all their succession laws and as queen she'd have to put up with people who might not be so fond of her. Dealing with people who worship her is a lot easier than dealing with guys like Littlefinger and Varys whose motives aren't always so clear.
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Dragons. Gives a whole new dimension to the phrase 'ruling by fear'. :lol: It was let on that there's a lot more to come from Littlefinger, but I'm inclined to think at this point that Varys would support Daenerys if she stayed as she was.

You're right about the happily ever after thing, no doubt. I never really considered what would happen afterwards; I just think it may end up seeming anti-climatic if the story is left to run like that in such isolation only for her to fail to take the throne. I sort of feel like the overall mythology and development of that plotline almost demands that those dragons feck shit up and that she does become Queen. By the same token though, Tyrion is being built up as something of a potential saviour of the realm.

Anyone's guess where the Starks would come into this. You get the impression that they're going to be the defining family by the end of it, but I'm not sure how that ties in with Daenerys at King's Landing just yet. It's not clear how heavily Sansa will impact the story at this point, Arya will have personal motives for the foreseeable future, and Bran and Jon Snow will surely be tied up with the White Walkers/Wildlings for a good season or two.

*The more I think of it, the more suited she seems as a character to turning into a psycho. The need to read what happens is overwhelming.
 
KingEric7 said:
Dragons. Gives a whole new dimension to the phrase 'ruling by fear'. :lol: It was let on that there's a lot more to come from Littlefinger, but I'm inclined to think at this point that Varys would support Daenerys if she stayed as she was.

You're right about the happily ever after thing, no doubt. I never really considered what would happen afterwards; I just think it may end up seeming anti-climatic if the story is left to run like that in such isolation only for her to fail to take the throne. I sort of feel like the overall mythology and development of that plotline almost demands that those dragons feck shit up and that she does become Queen. By the same token though, Tyrion is being built up as something of a potential saviour of the realm.

Anyone's guess where the Starks would come into this. You get the impression that they're going to be the defining family by the end of it, but I'm not sure how that ties in with Daenerys at King's Landing just yet. It's not clear how heavily Sansa will impact the story at this point, Arya will have personal motives for the foreseeable future, and Bran and Jon Snow will surely be tied up with the White Walkers/Wildlings for a good season or two.

*The more I think of it, the more suited she seems as a character to turning into a psycho. The need to read what happens is overwhelming.
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Fair point on the dragons. On them if she does invade, it almost seems perfect that they'd be Tywin's downfall. The guys the best when it comes to winning wars due to his political skills and manipulation, but he's ignored dragons/white walkers completely and his skills don't seem to extend to dealing with threats that can't be negotiated or manipulated. It'd be the perfect way for him to go out, next to one of his kids eventually killing him due to his whole preaching about how important family is etc. You're right on Tyrion too; this series doesn't have one central character, but he is the closest thing it has to a main character at the moment due to his increased screen time and lines compared to the rest of them.

Starks will be massive too. I expect that the youngest kid will become a lot more important as it goes on as well since he's the only non-crippled male Stark heir, and Bran's planning on heading north of the wall. Since it's been played up so much I think Jon's mother and his parentage will have a very big part to play in the unfolding of the plot.
 
Cheesy said:
Fair point on the dragons. On them if she does invade, it almost seems perfect that they'd be Tywin's downfall. The guys the best when it comes to winning wars due to his political skills and manipulation, but he's ignored dragons/white walkers completely and his skills don't seem to extend to dealing with threats that can't be negotiated or manipulated. It'd be the perfect way for him to go out, next to one of his kids eventually killing him due to his whole preaching about how important family is etc. You're right on Tyrion too; this series doesn't have one central character, but he is the closest thing it has to a main character at the moment due to his increased screen time and lines compared to the rest of them.

Starks will be massive too. I expect that the youngest kid will become a lot more important as it goes on as well since he's the only non-crippled male Stark heir, and Bran's planning on heading north of the wall. Since it's been played up so much I think Jon's mother and his parentage will have a very big part to play in the unfolding of the plot.
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Was wondering about the other kid funnily enough, but I just don't feel like they've casted an actor there that will go on to be significant. I don't really feel the sense of importance from him that was clear from early on with Bran and Arya. That being said, I wonder whether Bran's ability will end up killing him if he is to take on the White Walkers. If that does happen, then like you say he becomes a pretty important character by default.

On Tywin, I was surprised that Tyrion and Cersei didn't put their foot down with the marriage proposals. Just shows the sort of presence he commands that he can do something like that to those two with such ease. Loved this scene:



Hope Tyrion plays a part in his demise. :devil:
 
KingEric7 said:
Was wondering about the other kid funnily enough, but I just don't feel like they've casted an actor there that will go on to be significant. I don't really feel the sense of importance from him that was clear from early on with Bran and Arya. That being said, I wonder whether Bran's ability will end up killing him if he is to take on the White Walkers. If that does happen, then like you say he becomes a pretty important character by default.

On Tywin, I was surprised that Tyrion and Cersei didn't put their foot down with the marriage proposals. Just shows the sort of presence he commands that he can do something like that to those two with such ease. Loved this scene:



Hope Tyrion plays a part in his demise. :devil:
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Possibly not but they could easily re-cast him if he does become more important later on since they do it a lot. This series has had characters who can at first seem fairly small and unimportant so it wouldn't surprise me if he did become more important as it went on. Same goes for Jaime and Cersei's other bastard children: they haven't featured too much so far but I think they might grow in importance as it goes on possibly.

That was a great scene as well. Tywin's brilliant at times and ridiculously commanding. Thought it was superb in the final episode of season 3 as well when Joffrey insulted him and he basically sent him to bed.:lol: He's the most powerful man there is now and he knows it.
 
Cheesy said:
Possibly not but they could easily re-cast him if he does become more important later on since they do it a lot. This series has had characters who can at first seem fairly small and unimportant so it wouldn't surprise me if he did become more important as it went on. Same goes for Jaime and Cersei's other bastard children: they haven't featured too much so far but I think they might grow in importance as it goes on possibly.

That was a great scene as well. Tywin's brilliant at times and ridiculously commanding. Thought it was superb in the final episode of season 3 as well when Joffrey insulted him and he basically sent him to bed.:lol: He's the most powerful man there is now and he knows it.
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That was a polite way of saying 'I don't think he's that good an actor', to be honest. ;) We've not really seen that much of him but he didn't strike me as the quality of actor that writers would have big plans for. Still, could be wrong and, as you say, he could be recasted anyway.
 
Cheesy said:
And would the lords and important people of Westeros accept a queen? They all seem very sexist with all their succession laws and as queen she'd have to put up with people who might not be so fond of her. Dealing with people who worship her is a lot easier than dealing with guys like Littlefinger and Varys whose motives aren't always so clear.
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I don't think most people of Westeros will accept her as Queen, regardless of her gender simply because so many people are laying claim to the throne right now. She takes the throne and the Lannisters, along with their allies, will consider it stolen from them and Stanis still thinks he should be king. Add on the fact that her name will conjure memories of Aegon as well and she'll likely be on the end of a lot of resentment. The only people I can see being happy with her taking the throne are the citizens of king's landing because they are suffering under Joffery. Things might change over time should she take the throne and then show she can be a benevolent ruler but even then there will always be some who won't accept her.
 
Mystry said:
I don't think most people of Westeros will accept her as Queen, regardless of her gender simply because so many people are laying claim to the throne right now. She takes the throne and the Lannisters, along with their allies, will consider it stolen from them and Stanis still thinks he should be king. Add on the fact that her name will conjure memories of Aegon as well and she'll likely be on the end of a lot of resentment. The only people I can see being happy with her taking the throne are the citizens of king's landing because they are suffering under Joffery. Things might change over time should she take the throne and then show she can be a benevolent ruler but even then there will always be some who won't accept her.
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That's true, although I think it's the case with almost any of the kings at the moment. No matter who takes over, they're going to have lots of enemies who don't want them there.
 
Cheesy said:
Possibly not but they could easily re-cast him if he does become more important later on since they do it a lot. This series has had characters who can at first seem fairly small and unimportant so it wouldn't surprise me if he did become more important as it went on. Same goes for Jaime and Cersei's other bastard children: they haven't featured too much so far but I think they might grow in importance as it goes on possibly.

That was a great scene as well. Tywin's brilliant at times and ridiculously commanding. Thought it was superb in the final episode of season 3 as well when Joffrey insulted him and he basically sent him to bed.:lol: He's the most powerful man there is now and he knows it.
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When did I miss reference to that?
 
Cheesy said:
Possibly not but they could easily re-cast him if he does become more important later on since they do it a lot. This series has had characters who can at first seem fairly small and unimportant so it wouldn't surprise me if he did become more important as it went on. Same goes for Jaime and Cersei's other bastard children: they haven't featured too much so far but I think they might grow in importance as it goes on possibly.

That was a great scene as well. Tywin's brilliant at times and ridiculously commanding. Thought it was superb in the final episode of season 3 as well when Joffrey insulted him and he basically sent him to bed.:lol: He's the most powerful man there is now and he knows it.
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When did I miss reference to that?
 
Heardy said:
When did I miss reference to that?
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They've been in it, albeit only once or twice. The sons biggest part was at the end of the Blackwater battle when Cersei was about to poison him.
 
I'm probably gonna have to watch it all again at some point. Watched it so quickly that I'm not going to remember half of what has gone on by the time the next episode is on.
 
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