Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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Time jumps are fine though when it's explained and elaborated upon that a substantial amount of time has passed. Shows do that all the time otherwise any big drama would be told over a matter of months storyline wise as opposed to years.
What's silly is when characters are able to dot around the map without trouble in spite of the fact essentially all of it is a vastly dangerous warzone, one where in early seasons characters often had to make concessions or had to fight just to move from one region to another.
Gendry, a southerner kid who's never ventured north at all, being able to make that run easily was ridiculous in the first place though.
Why? He’s the quickest and didn’t have to carry his hammer.
He was making a perilous journey across a frozen wasteland he's never been to before which is currently controlled by a bunch of ice gods who can pretty much kill people at a touch. Even if he was somehow able to make that journey, it's absurd that he encounters no resistance enroute or has no major issues in reaching the Wall. Which I think is my issue with the show - journeys/tasks that would've previously been quite consuming plotwise are completed on a whim now. Robb Stark ended up losing his life because of a geographical logistical problem with a fairly minor house, for example. Had he decided to march south in Season 7 he'd have made a declaration of war one day and would've been at KL the next.
He was making a perilous journey across a frozen wasteland he's never been to before which is currently controlled by a bunch of ice gods who can pretty much kill people at a touch. Even if he was somehow able to make that journey, it's absurd that he encounters no resistance enroute or has no major issues in reaching the Wall. Which I think is my issue with the show - journeys/tasks that would've previously been quite consuming plotwise are completed on a whim now. Robb Stark ended up losing his life because of a geographical logistical problem with a fairly minor house, for example. Had he decided to march south in Season 7 he'd have made a declaration of war one day and would've been at KL the next.
He was making the journey on behalf of a man he admires, running with a genuine belief that if he failed his quest then that was the end for everyone he had ever known. Motivation mate, motivation explains it all. Plus he’s never had a ride so his testorone levels are probably jacked to the tits.
Didn't tyrion manage to travel a huge distance in the first few EPs when it looked like not much time passed?
Although the gendry stuff was a bit OTT. They could have written that much better.
I had no issues with facing no resistance going back to the wall considering they had none on the way
I thought the one random zombie being Alive when the rest all died was sillier when the white walker was killed
Why did he have an army of his own kills but then one random ?
Although the gendry stuff was a bit OTT. They could have written that much better.
I had no issues with facing no resistance going back to the wall considering they had none on the way
I thought the one random zombie being Alive when the rest all died was sillier when the white walker was killed
Why did he have an army of his own kills but then one random ?
I don't see why it couldn't have just been a random few Wights on their own, minus the WW.
The group took a day to plod north of the Wall, then Gendry took a couple of hours to run back. It's not that hard to understand.
The White Walkers were marching in formation for an attack on Eastwatch-by-sea. That's why none of them encountered Gendry on his jog. It was an all-hands-on-deck situation.
The White Walkers were marching in formation for an attack on Eastwatch-by-sea. That's why none of them encountered Gendry on his jog. It was an all-hands-on-deck situation.
The raven must have travelled quick time though haha
Yeah
Or some die, few alive. And they burn 2 and keep one for capture
Dunno
Yeah
Or some die, few alive. And they burn 2 and keep one for capture
Dunno
Let's say another day for the ravens. Then one half a day for the dragons to reach them. It's not that long of a wait. Plus, they'll have been prepared with food.
The White Walkers were about to mount an invasion after spending months building their army of the dead. It made sense that they were relatively close to the wall. There was nothing to suggest anything else except for those desperate to poke holes in something popular to make themselves look clever.
Yeah, i generally have no issues with the time and such. Wasnt the worst thing about the episode (although I generally liked it once all the action occurred).
What was your least favourite part?
Probably the wight thing I mentioned above (where one just happened to survive, just like they needed).
I can actually forgive stuff like only no named Wildlings dying, or Knight King going for the dragon flying rather than the grounded one closer, with enemies on top. (or how they managed to get chains around a dead dragon underwater).
Jon not killing Jorah on the spot was the biggest let down for me. Ned ordered Jorah dead and Jon should have carried it out. He has extra incentive given that it’s clear Jorah wants to hook up with the apple of Jon’s eye.
Seriously though, the night king going for the flying dragon instead of the grounded one was just plain weird. Unless they plan on explaining that decision very well, then why not just change the scene so the dragons are both in the air and close to each other and it misses the one with the heroes on it then gets the other one.
I’m just going to go on a big feck off rant here but this show seriously is amazing. They nailed every single aspect of character development that a show should, and the arcs they have put some people on is reminiscent of the rock in wwe from 1998-2002. I genuinely think that we’ve been spoiled by this show (and a few others, like the wire) and that it’s probably going to be the best show I’ll ever see.
I didn’t watch any of it until season 5, when I was visiting a mate who was watching the hardholm episode. I was very sarcastic about it, thinking it wasn’t for me, but I saw enough in that episode (despite having no idea who was who or what was going on) that when I got on the 14 hour flight back to Canada and saw that the entire season 4 was on the plane, I didn’t hesitate. I watched episodes 1-10 back to back (best flight ever) and despite having no idea what was going on for the majority of it, I was hooked, and then before the season 6 premiere I had watched season 1-5 in its entirety. It was actually a really cool way to do it, even though some things had obviously been spoiled I’m the type who can watch something a second time and still think something different is going to happen.
I think they’ve adopted too much fan service in season 6 and 7, but seasons 1-3 gives me enough faith that they won’t hesitate to end this whole thing with a victory for the bad guys and that type of “shock” lives much longer in the memory IMO. I don’t want this show to end with Jon the king, Cersei dead and Tyrion and jaime swapping stories about their cousin, give me major character deaths and pure destruction
I didn’t watch any of it until season 5, when I was visiting a mate who was watching the hardholm episode. I was very sarcastic about it, thinking it wasn’t for me, but I saw enough in that episode (despite having no idea who was who or what was going on) that when I got on the 14 hour flight back to Canada and saw that the entire season 4 was on the plane, I didn’t hesitate. I watched episodes 1-10 back to back (best flight ever) and despite having no idea what was going on for the majority of it, I was hooked, and then before the season 6 premiere I had watched season 1-5 in its entirety. It was actually a really cool way to do it, even though some things had obviously been spoiled I’m the type who can watch something a second time and still think something different is going to happen.
I think they’ve adopted too much fan service in season 6 and 7, but seasons 1-3 gives me enough faith that they won’t hesitate to end this whole thing with a victory for the bad guys and that type of “shock” lives much longer in the memory IMO. I don’t want this show to end with Jon the king, Cersei dead and Tyrion and jaime swapping stories about their cousin, give me major character deaths and pure destruction
Didn't the NK go after the second dragon moments later? Haha
Yep and conveniently missed, despite a presumably heavier, more static and closer target.
Unless they have an explanation for it, when you look at it, it seems like very very rushed writing for the sake of finishing a scene. I don’t know the first thing about screenwriting but I’m confident I could write a more convincing scene than leaves less questions.
Viserion was flying straight for him, whilst Drogon was facing the other way. It made sense for the Night King to take out the immediate airborne threat to himself first.
If the NK had gone for Drogon first, Viserion would have toasted him 2 seconds later.'
Those ice spears were a one shot deal. He had to make each throw count, because he'd be defenceless if he didn't take out the most imminent target.
If the NK had gone for Drogon first, Viserion would have toasted him 2 seconds later.'
Those ice spears were a one shot deal. He had to make each throw count, because he'd be defenceless if he didn't take out the most imminent target.
I need to watch it again then cos I didnt remember it coming straight at the NK
It seemed some distance away burning wights
I've literally just rewatched the scene. Viserion would have been on top of the NK in about 5-10 seconds - possibly quicker once the dragons made him out as a threat . Not enough time for for NK to reload.
I just rewatched. NK was shown to be present, very close by and within seconds of accessing his ice spear. The dragons are there burning shit for 2 minutes before the NK takes out viserion, and for about half of that time drogon was grounded. NK had the time to take out drogon before viserion got anywhere near him, that’s just an unavoidable fact.
Also, he’s just chucked a spear. When people throw one dodgeball at you, do you quit? No, you go back for more and avoid them at all costs while trying to land a blow of your own. I doubt he had unlimited ice spears, and if it takes him longer to reload than it would drogon to circle back and set him alight, then there’s no reason for fleeing.
The dragon lands at 52:14. The NK gets his spear at 52:39.
25 seconds at most. Probably less because some of the scenes looks a bit slow motion for cinematic effect.
A) Because he's not going to carry around an anti-dragon weapon before there are dragons to anti.
B) Because he's in a melee combat situation. He's armed with an ice sword, but is going to wait for his zombies to do most of the killing first. Same tactics as Hardhome. It's the White Walker equivalent of Gegenpress.
Either the night king figured out the impact with the ground would kill the dragon and hence went for the flying one, or
he doesn't see Dany, Jon and their suicide squad as his real threat. He wasn't desperate to kill them, he just wanted a dragon or two for his mission. His beef is with Bran, or the three eyed raven who happens to be Bran.
Or he just fancies Dany and wanted to impress her with his javelin skills.
As I said, I can still forgive most of that as it lead to some good fun stuff.
Why that one NK was walking about with all the Wights he turned but then one random one however?
Why that one NK was walking about with all the Wights he turned but then one random one however?
Or they kill the WW, the wights all die, then the group has to run away, Thoros succumbs to his wounds on the frozen lake, Beric says that they need to burn him, Jon says "not, we need to let him turn", Beric gets pissed off and allows his character to be the first one of that season that isn't just background noise for Jon and Dany who appear to be the only characters that are allowed to have any attention. New conflict created, add a bit of drama to a show that looks like it's intent on taking the easy route towards the end game.
Also, make the idea of bringing proof to Cersei be her idea. At this point Jon is desperate to get an alliance and would have taken the risk. Making Tyrion come up with the idea is not only completely against his character and what he knows about his sister, but also stupid as feck.
Beric wouldn't give a shit. He's a fanatic and a fatalist.
Tyrion knows his sister. She puts on a brave face in adversity, but she gets scared too.
Tyrion knows his sister. She puts on a brave face in adversity, but she gets scared too.
Yeah that could have worked. I do think last season seemed like a lot was done to set up this current finale. Hopefully this last season doesnt have the rush feel to it. (I thought last season needed an extra episode or more time in a few episodes)
Why did they need to go on a massive trip for a wight anyway? People were just turning willy nilly at castle black in the first few season. Couldn't they just kill someone and wait?
Peter Dinklage releases running times for final six episodes.
Wtf?! I was promised 6x90
Wtf?! I was promised 6x90
Yeah I was expecting longer in some, at least 90mins for final two maybe. It's basically just one extra episode and a half in total if you add 20 minutes together from the final four eps.
Not really. If you look at season six, most episodes were around the 50 minute mark, only the last was more than an hour. It probably adds up to the equivalent of 8 or 9 episodes overall.
They're place holders for a French TV channel. Not necessarily accurate.
If HBO tell them they want a longer timeslot, they'll surrender pretty quickly.
If HBO tell them they want a longer timeslot, they'll surrender pretty quickly.
That would be a bit disappointing if true. Thought the last few episodes were meant to be movie-length (or so they kept telling us).