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Yeah, looking through the visions again, most of the things we see are from the past. He does however see a Dragon flying over Kings Landing (which we hadn't seen before this Season). So either the Dragon shadow we saw was from the earlier Dragons or it was a scene in the future.



Pause at 1:21 and you clearly see a Dragon shadow flying over Kings Landing. This vision was Season 4 Episode 2, the imagery is also borrowed from a Daenerys vision which she had in Season 2 Episode 10 in the House of the Undying.

Given that Bran also saw this image, suggests its real and therefore is either a glimpse of the future (the Dragon shadow is one of the 3) or from the past way back when Dragons were still alive. I'm leaning towards the former, which proves Bran CAN see into the future.


Cheers RS. Yes, the Dragon shadow does or could possibly look like a future image especially considering the landscape and architecture of the buildings (Assuming earlier times weren't so well developed). But I was actually referring to wildfire (Yes, stupid me said dragon fire by mistake). Wasn't there a scene where wildfire blazes through a corridor ? Wasn't that scene what happened in Season 6, episode 10 ?
Wait did we see dragons flying over KL in Dany's vision from season 2? Could Bran have seen a vision of that vision? Visionception!
 
Wait did we see dragons flying over KL in Dany's vision from season 2? Could Bran have seen a vision of that vision? Visionception!

We did. They were in both visions.

Actually i'm wrong. They were in both of Brans visions, not in Daenerys'.

Daenerys and Bran shared the same vision of Kings Landings Throne Room being in snow and ruined. My bad.
 
I agree. Life is a long series of spoilers. You only get to reveal the final one when you die. And it's empty!

Of course I may be overreading your post.

:eek: Thats deep. The amount of thought I put into my post is probably the same the writers of GoT put into the later seasons.
Whereas you analyzed my post like most of us analyze the meaning behind scenes in GoT. Nuts

I bought every dummy the show was selling in the last episode. I didn't spot Euron's duplicity or foresee the downfall of Fishfinger. I even assumed Cersei was sincere when she pledged her help in the war against the dead. Very gullible.

By the way, since Arya joined the ranks of the Faceless Men, she's become insufferable. A teenage girl with a permanent air of self complacency is too much to stomach.

@fishfingers15 RIP :(

Cheers RS. Yes, the Dragon shadow does or could possibly look like a future image especially considering the landscape and architecture of the buildings (Assuming earlier times weren't so well developed). But I was actually referring to wildfire (Yes, stupid me said dragon fire by mistake). Wasn't there a scene where wildfire blazes through a corridor ? Wasn't that scene what happened in Season 6, episode 10 ?

I get what you mean and its a good point. I remember it cutting from Mad king saying burn them all, to what looked like wildfire going through (which is what we saw in the s6 finale). It looked exactly the same.
Maybe he can see the future, but doesnt know it yet since hes still processing everything (and hasnt even tried to do it).
 
Yeah, looking through the visions again, most of the things we see are from the past. He does however see a Dragon flying over Kings Landing (which we hadn't seen before this Season). So either the Dragon shadow we saw was from the earlier Dragons or it was a scene in the future.



Pause at 1:21 and you clearly see a Dragon shadow flying over Kings Landing. This vision was Season 4 Episode 2, the imagery is also borrowed from a Daenerys vision which she had in Season 2 Episode 10 in the House of the Undying.

Given that Bran also saw this image, suggests its real and therefore is either a glimpse of the future (the Dragon shadow is one of the 3) or from the past way back when Dragons were still alive. I'm leaning towards the former, which proves Bran CAN see into the future.

What makes you say it was Kings Landing?
 
Please can someone explain the theory about Bran being the NK? I've seen it absolutely all over the place, but I haven't actually read up on it for fear of some sort of book spoilers. I don't see how it makes sense. What would his motives be etc?
 
Please can someone explain the theory about Bran being the NK? I've seen it absolutely all over the place, but I haven't actually read up on it for fear of some sort of book spoilers. I don't see how it makes sense. What would his motives be etc?
it basically says that he tried to go back in time and stop the children of the forest making the NK and that he warned Into that guy who got dragonglass pushed through him.they think he warged into him and got stuck there. Or something.
 
it basically says that he tried to go back in time and stop the children of the forest making the NK and that he warned Into that guy who got dragonglass pushed through him.they think he warged into him and got stuck there. Or something.

Hmm ok. Guess in that case they would be 2 separate people now though, even though they're the same. If you know what I mean? So Bran as we know him has no say on what the NK does now.
 
Hmm ok. Guess in that case they would be 2 separate people now though, even though they're the same. If you know what I mean? So Bran as we know him has no say on what the NK does now.

I think it's bollocks myself. It's a really stupid theory based off the Hold the Door episode. I'd be really disappointed if that's the final "twist". They're taking the piss out of the theory too, pretty sure i've seen the actor that plays Bran take the piss a bit with the idea.
 
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Hmm ok. Guess in that case they would be 2 separate people now though, even though they're the same. If you know what I mean? So Bran as we know him has no say on what the NK does now.

It's bollocks. No way it happens.
 
Even other TV shows are having a go at the GoT writing now. A memorial from post credits of last Sunday's Rick and Morty -

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While I agree with the message, Rick and Morty actually suffered a triple exponential drop in writing quality in the current season, so it's a bit funny that they are the one to criticize.
 
I think it's bollocks myself. It's a really stupid theory based off the Hold the Door episode. I'd be really disappointed if that's the final "twist". They're taking the piss out of the theory too, pretty sure i've seen the actor that plays Bran take the piss a bit with the idea.

It's bollocks. No way it happens.

Hope you're both right.
 
While I agree with the message, Rick and Morty actually suffered a triple exponential drop in writing quality in the current season, so it's a bit funny that they are the one to criticize.
It wasn't the show creators that added that message, it was Adult Swim.
 
Can anyone remember how far they've gone into the origins of the Great Houses in the series (or in any extra information given out around the series)? We know the Starks have a lot of the blood of the First Men and stick to the old religion. And Tyrion said that the Lannisters are descended from the Andal invaders 'and' through the female bloodline from the Lann the Clever - which seems to mean that Lann was one of the First Men.
 
it basically says that he tried to go back in time and stop the children of the forest making the NK and that he warned Into that guy who got dragonglass pushed through him.they think he warged into him and got stuck there. Or something.
Whats really the timeline on that? Like was it suppose to happen last season? Is he going to try to do it and then get stuck?
 
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I still think the entire show will come down to the
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The swirls are horses (or nature). The phi symbol is made of people (who evolved in Essos, originally).

Religion is obviously real in GoT, so I reckon it could come down to two different systems of belief. Ice refers to the Old Gods and Fire refers to the Lord of Light (I don't think we've seen any magic from the New Gods).

Maybe the White Walkers have overridden their programming like in every killer robot film, ever. They were originally supposed to only track the traces of the Lord of Light found in the first men. But eventually decided that all magic needed to die out... hence their war widening to both the Children of the Forest and human beings.

Obviously, my theory isn't properly fleshed out. But the more I think about it, the more I think 'Ice' and 'Fire' (as referenced in the title of the series) are tangents from the magic we've seen, rather than a reference to any characters.
Even more speculation shit. This time, it's a bit more tenuous and theoretical. Also, more handwavy.
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Compare the sigils with the dead body formations in the quoted post. Apparently, the House of Dayne (second sigil) owns the sword known as Dawn (the one Ned leaves at the foot of Lyanna's bed when she gave birth). Melisandre talked about the bringing of the Dawn a few episodes ago. No idea what any of this means. Or whether it's worth posting.
 
Rewatching Season 1... so the Dothraki have a legend of "pale ghost grass that will destroy the world"... didn't even register the first time round. Is there anywhere where there's a list of these seem-throwaway-at-the-time-but-actually-crucial things? Like @Dante 's post above, that's another one that went totally over my head this season.
Don't know if you're interested in the above. But one last thing I wanted to add:
Could the cave symbols mean that the way to defeat the Whitewalkers is with a TARGAERYAN (ie Jon) yielding the sword of HOUSE DAYNE (ie Dawn)? The markings may have a been a communication to future Westerosi.

It's also worth noting that the figure on the left has a false right hand!!!

I think I might have just blown the ending wide open.
 
Don't know if you're interested in the above. But one last thing I wanted to add:
Could the cave symbols mean that the way to defeat the Whitewalkers is with a TARGAERYAN (ie Jon) yielding the sword of HOUSE DAYNE (ie Dawn)? The markings may have a been a communication to future Westerosi.

It's also worth noting that the figure on the left has a false right hand!!!

I think I might have just blown the ending wide open.

That's cool but still gone over my head :D
 
How exactly does Cleganebowl happen?

The Hound is heading up north to Winterfell for the war with the dead. If he survives, I can't see him popping back down to King's Landing to fight The Mountain.
 
It's bollocks. No way it happens.
I think it might be true. We need the NK to have some back story to make us care, he can't just be some random guy running around with a dead army. There have been a few hints for it as well.
 
I think it might be true. We need the NK to have some back story to make us care, he can't just be some random guy running around with a dead army. There have been a few hints for it as well.

Honestly, I think that makes it better!
 
I think it might be true. We need the NK to have some back story to make us care, he can't just be some random guy running around with a dead army. There have been a few hints for it as well.
Timeline for this? Has it supposed to have happened or is it going to happen in the future?
 
How exactly does Cleganebowl happen?

The Hound is heading up north to Winterfell for the war with the dead. If he survives, I can't see him popping back down to King's Landing to fight The Mountain.
It could be that the forces in the north get overwhelmed quickly and they're forced to retreat towards King Landing. Anything is possible and specially in a show that lost any form of "logic" (as much as logic exists in a fantasy world).
 
It could be that the forces in the north get overwhelmed quickly and they're forced to retreat towards King Landing. Anything is possible and specially in a show that lost any form of "logic" (as much as logic exists in a fantasy world).

Not just possible, likely I'd say. Ignore geography altogether.
 
How exactly does Cleganebowl happen?

The Hound is heading up north to Winterfell for the war with the dead. If he survives, I can't see him popping back down to King's Landing to fight The Mountain.

They get up north, and Gregor's already there chilling with the NK and the dead, and he's all "I identify more as a dead person now, having actually died," only in sign language or via a series of cards like that one Bob Dylan video.

Sorted.
 
Cleganbowl doesn't happen. The Hound himself made that clear this season.
 
The last episode of Rick and Morty was incredibly well written. This whole season has been great.
Did not watch the last. The only one I liked was the first. Everything else was total dross. And I am hardly a minority with this opinion.
 
Did not watch the last. The only one I liked was the first. Everything else was total dross. And I am hardly a minority with this opinion.
You're in the minority with regards to GoT, given the massive viewing figures and huge success.

So, minority rules for Game of Thrones but not Rick and Morty? You're switching criteria.
 
Cleganbowl doesn't happen. The Hound himself made that clear this season.
How so? Like that brief interaction they had in the last episode to me it seemed pretty clear the hound was saying he'll be the one to kill him or be his executioner saying the Mountain has always known and so on.

But then I was thinking there is now 6 episodes left ok we don't know the length of the episodes but there is an awful lot to fit in still. We have the war against the dead then depending on what happens there we'd have some other war for the throne. Unless of course something else happens to certsai or she does join them or the north forces have to retreat so far south that Cersais army has to join in.

I just can't see how in episode one or even 2 they can jump straight in to a war. Maybe by the end of episode 2 or something but I just can't see how they fit it all in in 6 eps unless it's just one war.

If it ends with just the NK obliterating everything then that will be an absolute disappointment and a lazy finish that's is just there to shock us.
 
You're in the minority with regards to GoT, given the massive viewing figures and huge success.

So, minority rules for Game of Thrones but not Rick and Morty? You're switching criteria.
What the hell are you sprouting about? What criteria? There is a significant portion of GoT fans that are disenchanted with the writing of S7 , but yes we are in the minority, since most folks don't appreciate the finer details of a well written script. The entertainment value was high, and that's what most people care about. As for R&M: Judging by the online community, it seems that most people have noticed a significant drop in the quality, and are not very happy with S3. But all I said was that, in my opinion, one show (or network) that has experienced such a degradation in its own products, should not make similar jokes about others.