Jaime has Brienne on his side, I think he'll go wherever she is and let her vouch for him.
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Bran? His omniscience could turn out to be a plot device the writers lean on heavily next season given they're lazy like that. If he says Jaime is trustworthy then we might see a lot of characters believing him.
It would be quite out of character for Bran to start telling anyone anything about his visions, he didnt seem in any rush to mention what he knew about Jon Snow.
Trustworthy how though? I mean Bran cant see the future. The past isnt exactly great for Jaime. He still supported Cersei throughout until he left.
Daenerys obviously won't trust him. But he does have a Valyrian sword and he is a military leader which will be useful for fighting the dead. As Jon said before the Expedition, they're on the same side (the living). If the Night King is defeated and Jamie accepts Daenerys (or Jon for that matter) as ruler of Westeros then he could be crucial in trying to talk Cersei down (which won't happen obviously). From Daenerys perspective she has to give him a shot.
Also as a side note:
This surely hints at the fact Jamie is going to do something substantial in the grand scheme of things.
Also as a side note:
This surely hints at the fact Jamie is going to do something substantial in the grand scheme of things.
In terms of the war against the dead, you can prolly trust Jaime cause he truly is scared but IF IF IF they all survive the war, then I wont trust him one bit after that. If its between Cersei and ANYONE ELSE he will choose Cersei 100%
Even other TV shows are having a go at the GoT writing now. A memorial from post credits of last Sunday's Rick and Morty -
That has always been the case until now but I can see his redemption being completed with the realisation that she needs to be stopped. Actually I can see there being some kind of an inversion of loyalty situation, where he swings against Cercei while someone fundamental on Daenerys' side ends up betraying her.
Depends how she reacts to Jamie's 'betrayal'. I've always felt that Cersei has needed Jamie more than Jamie needs Cersei. Lets not forget that Jamie will be with Tyrion and Brienne up North and that will have a positive effect on his decision making process. From a character arc point of view, he is going to have to achieve something substantial and imo has to break from Cersei for good. I'd be disappointed if he went straight back to being Cerseis feck buddy.
I'm trying to come up with names on who might betray Daenerys and the only two I can think of is Tyrion and Varys both of whom are far too obvious. Jon isn't power hungry like Daenerys so unless Daenerys goes extremely paranoid I can't see why Jon would stop following her. It's more likely they'd wed and just rule together.
Bran would be funny
"Yes he pushed me out of the window and tried to kill me, and yes he tried to kill you too, but Dany (who would be Brans aunt by marriage, right as Jon is his cousin?), you can trust him not to attempt any more killings against the living.
"Yes he pushed me out of the window and tried to kill me, and yes he tried to kill you too, but Dany (who would be Brans aunt by marriage, right as Jon is his cousin?), you can trust him not to attempt any more killings against the living.
I heard a theory about how it will all end that is so bloody good I think there is a good chance it will end up being very close to the truth. And hence I am loathe to talk about it in any detail. Actually, in all probability it wont end up being anything like I am thinking, but if they think of anything as good, let alone better, theyll have done well.
Thoughts:
feck this thread and spoiler tags
Also I am refusing to believe that all of the plotlines at the Twins and Riverrun weren't for an actual endgame reason. Riverrun last season was used as a way to remind us of Edmure Tully who we know is currently at the Twins. We also know that the Twins is a strong military location. My opinion is that Winterfell will fall and what remains of the Northern armies will flee South to the Twins. Edmure Tully given he married the Frey daughter has the ability to control both the Freys army but also call on the Tully army to come to aid. They'll all head to the Twins and make a stand there (at this point the NightKing could simply bypass the Twins and head to Kings Landing to say hello to Cersei).
I refuse to believe that we've had all those scenes at the Twins with the Freys and bringing Edmure Tully back in Season 6 only for it all to be ignored in the last two Seasons.
Also this would be a way to bring Meera back, as the castle where her and her father live is very close to the Twins.
The only issue with this theory is that it requires the Night King army to teleport a fair bit and for Season 8 to be spread over a few months of in world time rather than weeks.
I refuse to believe that we've had all those scenes at the Twins with the Freys and bringing Edmure Tully back in Season 6 only for it all to be ignored in the last two Seasons.
Also this would be a way to bring Meera back, as the castle where her and her father live is very close to the Twins.
The only issue with this theory is that it requires the Night King army to teleport a fair bit and for Season 8 to be spread over a few months of in world time rather than weeks.
Definitely.
What do Dragons and resurrection have to do with the colour of fire? Apart from the fact that it was a dragon breathing the fire of course.
I guess the point is a certain suspension of disbelief is required to accept the presence of dragons and resurrection. If you can do it for those things, cant you just accept that in this world fire can be blue? (Not such a difficult thing to accept, given fire can be blue in real life as well.)
Well all the sound bites from the people in the know I.e. Actor and director seem to indicate Dany and Jon won't see eye to eye.
I was thinking the same thing. Like who on Dany has a chance of betraying her. We are thinking Tyrion and that might be the most obvious choice, so I kinda want to rule him out. Varys maybe but does he have to gain from it? Jaime maybe after joining Dany?
Well Jaime betraying Cercei is obvious so from a symmetry perspective it doesnt have to be a massive surprise, it could be Tyrion. But it is surely naive to assume its going to be plain sailing for Jon and Daenerys, that they are going to get married and rule together. Do people really think this is all heading towards a happily ever after ending?
I dont. I think one of them will sacrifice themselves for the other in some bloody scenario.
Also Jaime did exactly "betray" Cersei. He gave his word he will go North and just living up to it.
Very plausible.
And yes on your second point I didnt mean Jaime had betrayed Cercei at this point, I was referring to a post I made a few hours ago, which Redsky originally replied to before you replied to him (or her). I suggested there might be a symmetry thing where Jaime betrays (perhaps kills) Cercei, while someone close to Daenerys betrays her.
True that. Maybe the whole Mad King plot comes back and he sees his sister turning into one cause when she is cornered at the end of the show, she might just want to burn down Kings Landing in order to prevent some sort of takeover by the Starks/Targaryans. The problem is if you want to get to Cersei, you have to get past the Mountain. And I dont think any man in Westeros can kill him single handed.
Or be able to get very close to her, which Jaime might be able to do. She definitely appears to be increasingly unhinged so the Mad King angle looks highly likely. I see that as a base case scenario at this stage - not that Jaime will kill her necessarily, but that she will burn her own kingdom rather than let someone else have it. I would regard anything markedly different to that as something of a twist.
What's the theory?
These spoiler tags. Everybody on edge
But if Mountain is busy fighting Hound or Brienne, or both at the same time, it will leave Cersei open possibly?
Im wondering if anybody even needs to betray her. What if she just falls naturally or has to sacrifice herself, or as you said, gets paranoid and turns herself?
Crikey! Why don't we put the entire thread in spoilers and be done with it.
Fire can be blue you don't need fantasy for that. I'm not a big fan of it's fantasy deal with as a reason for a nonsensical plot though.
Me neither. But I thought we were specifically talking about the colour of fire.
What has actually been the point of Varys? Has he done anything with Daenrys yet?
I agree. Life is a long series of spoilers. You only get to reveal the final one when you die. And it's empty!
Of course I may be overreading your post.
I bought every dummy the show was selling in the last episode. I didn't spot Euron's duplicity or foresee the downfall of Fishfinger. I even assumed Cersei was sincere when she pledged her help in the war against the dead. Very gullible.
By the way, since Arya joined the ranks of the Faceless Men, she's become insufferable. A teenage girl with a permanent air of self complacency is too much to stomach.
By the way, since Arya joined the ranks of the Faceless Men, she's become insufferable. A teenage girl with a permanent air of self complacency is too much to stomach.
Wait... Bran can't see the future ? 
What about that scene with the original 3ER where he sees dragon fire in the sewage tunnels. Wasn't that a vision of the future in the finale of season 6?
Have I missed something here.
What about that scene with the original 3ER where he sees dragon fire in the sewage tunnels. Wasn't that a vision of the future in the finale of season 6?
Have I missed something here.
Wait... Bran can't see the future ?
What about that scene with the original 3ER where he sees dragon fire in the sewage tunnels. Wasn't that a vision of the future in the finale of season 6?
Have I missed something here.
Yeah, looking through the visions again, most of the things we see are from the past. He does however see a Dragon flying over Kings Landing (which we hadn't seen before this Season). So either the Dragon shadow we saw was from the earlier Dragons or it was a scene in the future.
Pause at 1:21 and you clearly see a Dragon shadow flying over Kings Landing. This vision was Season 4 Episode 2, the imagery is also borrowed from a Daenerys vision which she had in Season 2 Episode 10 in the House of the Undying.
Given that Bran also saw this image, suggests its real and therefore is either a glimpse of the future (the Dragon shadow is one of the 3) or from the past way back when Dragons were still alive. I'm leaning towards the former, which proves Bran CAN see into the future.
When we didn't see that scene before Dany arrived at the Dragonpit I now believe it was just a stylish shot and was likely a flashback of Aegon and his dragon.
The "you will fly" will be the ravens, not the dragons as well IMO.
I think it'd ruin too much of the story if Bran could see the future.
Cheers RS. Yes, the Dragon shadow does or could possibly look like a future image especially considering the landscape and architecture of the buildings (Assuming earlier times weren't so well developed). But I was actually referring to wildfire (Yes, stupid me said dragon fire by mistake). Wasn't there a scene where wildfire blazes through a corridor ? Wasn't that scene what happened in Season 6, episode 10 ?