Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Thought of this earlier this week...
Bet they kill his dragon with Qyburn's scorpion, modified to fire an arrow tipped with dragonglass.

Introduce the weapon -> useless against real dragon when fired by Bronn ->but NK's spear shows it can work -> used in their darkest hour etc to save them.

Bet too that it's Bronn that fires it, as Westeros's go-to clutch free throw taker.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Thought of this earlier this week...
Bet they kill his dragon with Qyburn's scorpion, modified to fire an arrow tipped with dragonglass.

Introduce the weapon -> useless against real dragon when fired by Bronn ->but NK's spear shows it can work -> used in their darkest hour etc to save them.

Bet too that it's Bronn that fires it, as Westeros's go-to clutch free throw taker.
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Except that Qyburn and the Lannister army have stayed behind at KL. Maybe Bronn joins up with Jaime but we don't know if the rest will foloow those two. I think they'll stay with Cersei. But I suppose they could work out the schematics and build a new scorpion at Winterfell.
 
van der star said:
Except that Qyburn and the Lannister army have stayed behind at KL. Maybe Bronn joins up with Jaime but we don't know if the rest will foloow those two. I think they'll stay with Cersei. But I suppose they could work out the schematics and build a new scorpion at Winterfell.
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At the speed the last season went at, I reckon anything is possible :D Even the fight coming to King's Landing, with the North completely overrun.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
At the speed the last season went at, I reckon anything is possible :D Even the fight coming to King's Landing, with the North completely overrun.
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I reckon there's a high chance the battle against the Others will take place at Winterfell but I'd love to see the NK raining down some blue fire on KL as Cersei looks on in horror.
 
So Sansa did just find out about Littlefinger from Bran, even if she had cause to think she needed his help. That's a little disappointing, although I suppose it means that at least the conflict we saw in previous episodes wasn't just audience misdirection.

It would probably have been better to have her begin to suspect Littlefinger and work with Arya to lay a trap for him. Or have Bran tell them about Littlefinger from the start, with the whole sequence of events then consisting of the Starks giving him enough rope to hang himself.
 
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Bronn's been north of the wall before :eek:
 
van der star said:
I reckon there's a high chance the battle against the Others will take place at Winterfell but I'd love to see the NK raining down some blue fire on KL as Cersei looks on in horror.
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Remember Bran vision of dragons flying over KL and snow/ashes on the Iron Throne. I think it is inevitable the battle goes south eventually
 
Raees said:
Remember Bran vision of dragons flying over KL and snow/ashes on the Iron Throne. I think it is inevitable the battle goes south eventually
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Especially given what Dany saw in her vision.
 
Raees said:
Remember Bran vision of dragons flying over KL and snow/ashes on the Iron Throne. I think it is inevitable the battle goes south eventually
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Thing is, if all they need to do is kill the Night King (which personally I wasn't a fan of as a mechanism) - they'd be pretty incompetent in battle to let it go on that long. He's just one (dead) bloke who is always at every battle.
 
shahzadi said:
What do you mean ?
at least quote the original message if you have seen it here on the thread.
I am going nuts over this revelation :cool:

Hurry up and elaborate :lol:
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Sorry I was watching a bit of season 1 again and he mentions it to Tyrion and Shae.
 
Raees said:
Remember Bran vision of dragons flying over KL and snow/ashes on the Iron Throne. I think it is inevitable the battle goes south eventually
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There's been a few visions.





The 1st and 2nd videos share the same Kings Landing throne room in winter. But there's also a shot of a dragon flying over kings landing (not in the snow) in the 2nd link which could easily have been from season 7 episode 7 for all we know.
 
kotha said:
Interesting interview with the actor that played Bran.. Includes speculation on his part about next season maybe.. So posting the link in a spoiler.. Doesn't mention anywhere whether he has read the next season script,so I guess its 'speculation from him..

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-finale-cut-scene-1202541941/
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Wow that was really important stuff.. why on earth did they cut that scene. Paints Sansa in a totally different light and as an absolute airhead incapable of independent thought. Also reinforces the growing belief that Jon and Dany are going to drift apart next season.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Thing is, if all they need to do is kill the Night King (which personally I wasn't a fan of as a mechanism) - they'd be pretty incompetent in battle to let it go on that long. He's just one (dead) bloke who is always at every battle.
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True but I think the NK destroying
Winterfell and the north would up the stakes with regards to the battle in the south and the sense of desperation to survive in general.
 
Raees said:
True but I think the NK destroying
Winterfell and the north would up the stakes with regards to the battle in the south and the sense of desperation to survive in general.
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Oh yeah, it would be much better for the show, just don't know how they'll do it without painting our "heroes" as being a bit shit at battles.

I really don't see why they had to add in that whole "kill the host kill them all" thing... massively lessens the WhiteWalker threat for me.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Oh yeah, it would be much better for the show, just don't know how they'll do it without painting our "heroes" as being a bit shit at battles.

I really don't see why they had to add in that whole "kill the host kill them all" thing... massively lessens the WhiteWalker threat for me.
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As to the second point I sincerely hope it isn't as simple as that but to be fair killing a general in battle especially in medieval or ancient warfare was not easy as there was no access to aerial weaponry and I assume that NK is not vulnerable to dragon fire.

It won't be easy to get to him and take him out but obviously that is probably the route that will inevitably be taken after many casualties on both sides which will lead to him having to expose himself on the battlefield.
 
Raees said:
Remember Bran vision of dragons flying over KL and snow/ashes on the Iron Throne. I think it is inevitable the battle goes south eventually
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Could be one of the living dragons too, and the ashes/snow signify the end of the battle that has left most of Westeros in ruins.
 
The burning question about Viserion's flame has been cleared up by the episode's director Jeremy Podeswa, who told Huffington Post: "The way I looked at it was, when the Sept burned down, that was green fire, and so then the dragon is going to have some kind of blueish fire.


"It's certainly still fire - it has the ability to burn the Wall and melt snow. But it's going to have a different kind of magical quality to it, because it's coming from an undead dragon."

This is the TV version of what's happening, the book version, according to GRRM would be along the lines of -
But that's a slight deviation from the way that Viserion was portrayed in the books by George R. R. Martin. In A World Of Ice And Fire, Martin says: "Of all the queer and fabulous denizens of the Shivering Sea, however, the greatest are the ice dragons.

"These colossal beasts, many times larger than the dragons of Valyria, are said to be made of living ice, with eyes of pale blue crystal and vast translucent wings through which the moon and stars can be glimpsed as they wheel across the sky."


"Whereas common dragons breathe flame, ice dragons supposedly breathe cold, a chill so terrible that it can freeze a man solid in half a heartbeat."
 
van der star said:
The burning question about Viserion's flame has been cleared up by the episode's director Jeremy Podeswa, who told Huffington Post: "The way I looked at it was, when the Sept burned down, that was green fire, and so then the dragon is going to have some kind of blueish fire.


"It's certainly still fire - it has the ability to burn the Wall and melt snow. But it's going to have a different kind of magical quality to it, because it's coming from an undead dragon."

This is the TV version of what's happening, the book version, according to GRRM would be along the lines of -
But that's a slight deviation from the way that Viserion was portrayed in the books by George R. R. Martin. In A World Of Ice And Fire, Martin says: "Of all the queer and fabulous denizens of the Shivering Sea, however, the greatest are the ice dragons.

"These colossal beasts, many times larger than the dragons of Valyria, are said to be made of living ice, with eyes of pale blue crystal and vast translucent wings through which the moon and stars can be glimpsed as they wheel across the sky."


"Whereas common dragons breathe flame, ice dragons supposedly breathe cold, a chill so terrible that it can freeze a man solid in half a heartbeat."
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Just goes to show how poor the thought process behind each scene in the show has become. But yet, we over analyze each scene to the hilt thinking there is some deeper meaning to it.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Just goes to show how poor the thought process behind each scene in the show has become. But yet, we over analyze each scene to the hilt thinking there is some deeper meaning to it.
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how does that go to show it? GRRM is describing something completely different in the.. you know what.
 
Massive Spanner said:
how does that go to show it? GRRM is describing something completely different in the.. you know what.
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I mean in the thinking process. There's much more thought which Martin seems to put into his er...you know what. He carves a beautiful story for every detail. I understand that the TV show cannot obviously invest that much time for each frame or scene, but when you watch the behind the scenes videos and the explanations offered up (This director's take on the dragon fire and Dinklage's explanation for his creepy corridor scene which had pages of discussion over here), it feels very underwhelming.

Not sure if it's a case of having high expectations after being blessed with what I would call 4 brilliant initial seasons of the show or just lazy writing.
 
Ijazz17 said:
I mean in the thinking process. There's much more thought which Martin seems to put into his er...you know what. He carves a beautiful story for every detail. I understand that the TV show cannot obviously invest that much time for each frame or scene, but when you watch the behind the scenes videos and the explanations offered up (This director's take on the dragon fire and Dinklage's explanation for his creepy corridor scene which had pages of discussion over here), it feels very underwhelming.
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The whole point of a TV show especially this one is to get people to talk about it from different view points. From the looks of it, it has achieved that. Cant really blame the writing for this.
 
Ijazz17 said:
I mean in the thinking process. There's much more thought which Martin seems to put into his er...you know what. He carves a beautiful story for every detail. I understand that the TV show cannot obviously invest that much time for each frame or scene, but when you watch the behind the scenes videos and the explanations offered up (This director's take on the dragon fire and Dinklage's explanation for his creepy corridor scene which had pages of discussion over here), it feels very underwhelming.

Not sure if it's a case of having high expectations after being blessed with what I would call 4 brilliant initial seasons of the show or just lazy writing.
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How is 'ice dragons breathe ice' a sign of a beautifully crafter story?
 
RDCR07 said:
The whole point of a TV show especially this one is to get people to talk about it from different view points. From the looks of it, it has achieved that. Cant really blame the writing for this.
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That's a fair point, but even controversy sparks discussions. I've just not been a fan of the writing for the last couple seasons. Whenever I watch the actors talk about the characters and explain a scene, I always get the impression that even they are not as clued up as we think they are.
 
NinjaFletch said:
How is 'ice dragons breathe ice' a sign of a beautifully crafter story?
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In the context of the ASOIAF title, it fits thematically since Good fights with Fire and Evil with well erm Ice. I know that's a poor explanation, but I just liked it better. :nervous:
 
van der star said:
I reckon there's a high chance the battle against the Others will take place at Winterfell but I'd love to see the NK raining down some blue fire on KL as Cersei looks on in horror.
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OK I'm going to take a risk here if I'm right I haven't read any leaked scripts but I reckon episode 1 next season will be the destruction of the nights watch at castle black which will become the new home of the Night King ( a name like castle black deserves an evil overlord) then I reckon the first battle will be at winterfell which with everyone heading there will be a stale mate with a load dying. Then while everyone shores up at winterfell waiting for the next battle with the snow falling at kings landing the night king will attack decimating cersei's mercenary army and will only be saved from the utter destruction by a change in the weather drawing them back, this though will be the night kings undoing as he'll be trapped between the forces at winterfell and the bannermen arriving to the ruin of kings landing. If I get this fully right I expect to be banned and die from this thread ( not that it will matter as the series will be over) but let it be known I've seen nothing on reddit and only use that site for porn links, a rule that you can use with regards to me for 99% of the internet.
 
Gambit said:
OK I'm going to take a risk here if I'm right I haven't read any leaked scripts but I reckon episode 1 next season will be the destruction of the nights watch at castle black which will become the new home of the Night King ( a name like castle black deserves an evil overlord) then I reckon the first battle will be at winterfell which with everyone heading there will be a stale mate with a load dying. Then while everyone shores up at winterfell waiting for the next battle with the snow falling at kings landing the night king will attack decimating cersei's mercenary army and will only be saved from the utter destruction by a change in the weather drawing them back, this though will be the night kings undoing as he'll be trapped between the forces at winterfell and the bannermen arriving to the ruin of kings landing. If I get this fully right I expect to be banned and die from this thread ( not that it will matter as the series will be over) but let it be known I've seen nothing on reddit and only use that site for porn links, a rule that you can use with regards to me for 99% of the internet.
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True GoT muppet.
 
So from reviewing s7.... they just glossed about the Casterly Rock stuff with the Unsullied right? They were there and in the castle, but pretty much had all their ships destroyed by Euron. So are we expecting that they marched to the Dragon pit?
Did I miss something there where it was hinted at what happened or was it just glossed over?

Gambit said:
OK I'm going to take a risk here if I'm right I haven't read any leaked scripts but I reckon episode 1 next season will be the destruction of the nights watch at castle black which will become the new home of the Night King ( a name like castle black deserves an evil overlord) then I reckon the first battle will be at winterfell which with everyone heading there will be a stale mate with a load dying. Then while everyone shores up at winterfell waiting for the next battle with the snow falling at kings landing the night king will attack decimating cersei's mercenary army and will only be saved from the utter destruction by a change in the weather drawing them back, this though will be the night kings undoing as he'll be trapped between the forces at winterfell and the bannermen arriving to the ruin of kings landing. If I get this fully right I expect to be banned and die from this thread ( not that it will matter as the series will be over) but let it be known I've seen nothing on reddit and only use that site for porn links, a rule that you can use with regards to me for 99% of the internet.
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Fair prediction. I could see NK taking over the wall and collecting wights for his army from that episode. Not really marching that much, but just doing a clean sweep to get more numbers.
Also I might be making this up, but I believe theres some distance between Winterfell and Wall. And would it be where all of Starks bannermen houses are? (Im assuming its north of Winterfell but south of Wall which could see more being added to their army.

I think Winterfell will fall but the more important characters will have to retreat and essentially give that place up. But either go South or ... to the water to the east?
NK being trapped in the middle would be quite something though.
 
Sylar said:
So from reviewing s7.... they just glossed about the Casterly Rock stuff with the Unsullied right? They were there and in the castle, but pretty much had all their ships destroyed by Euron. So are we expecting that they marched to the Dragon pit?
Did I miss something there where it was hinted at what happened or was it just glossed over?
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Dany prolly sent her remaining ships to pick them up.
 
Gambit said:
OK I'm going to take a risk here if I'm right I haven't read any leaked scripts but I reckon episode 1 next season will be the destruction of the nights watch at castle black which will become the new home of the Night King ( a name like castle black deserves an evil overlord) then I reckon the first battle will be at winterfell which with everyone heading there will be a stale mate with a load dying. Then while everyone shores up at winterfell waiting for the next battle with the snow falling at kings landing the night king will attack decimating cersei's mercenary army and will only be saved from the utter destruction by a change in the weather drawing them back, this though will be the night kings undoing as he'll be trapped between the forces at winterfell and the bannermen arriving to the ruin of kings landing. If I get this fully right I expect to be banned and die from this thread ( not that it will matter as the series will be over) but let it be known I've seen nothing on reddit and only use that site for porn links, a rule that you can use with regards to me for 99% of the internet.
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Plausible but just to pick you up on one thing...a battle against the army of the dead with loads dying on both sides isn't a stalemate. It's a win for the army of the dead.
 
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