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Holy feck these videos keep getting better and better! This one about favourite ex-bastard is an absolute beauty -

 
She has no limitations to what lengths she will go to one-up those who have wronged her, but she consistently fails to foresee the consequences of her actions. She's an idiot.

Luckily for her, and the exact opposite of lucky for literally everyone else, Cersei's complete disregard for everyone but herself compensates for her lack of ability in always staying one step ahead of her opponents. A player who is actually intelligent and cunning like Tywin would never have had to blow up the Sept of Baelor to get rid of his enemies, for example.

She's also never really shown any considerable political savvy. She uses the fact that she has more power than others to get rid of them from the small council, but she is unable to do it without turning them or others into enemies in the process. Compare that to Littlefinger, who successfully put several great houses up against each other by being a double-crossing arsebiscuit and never got found out, until the writers completely dropped the ball with him after the source material ran out.

I get what youre saying. I dont think shes an idiot in the term of low intelligence, but more so in terms of being a short term thinker.
I agree, shes not as smart as a LF type, but what shes done so far, has got her to whats shes always wanted. But I think its also what will lead to her down fall. She will die alone hated instead of seen as a worthy queen.
 
I get what youre saying. I dont think shes an idiot in the term of low intelligence, but more so in terms of being a short term thinker.
I agree, shes not as smart as a LF type, but what shes done so far, has got her to whats shes always wanted. But I think its also what will lead to her down fall. She will die alone hated instead of seen as a worthy queen.

She's lasted longer than LF, so she's winning the game of thrones.

What do you think happens to her baby? Surely that's a big plot point that's going to be expanded upon...
 
In hindsight it's pretty obvious he was spouting leaked information. But, then again, he did respond to Massive Spanner with this...

Thats just feckin nuts.
I now remember him crying about a post he had written which was deleted and he was being all pissy about it (I cant remember if the content had spoilers or not). Most of that, as you said is spoilers, but only after hindsight. Its a shame somebody who had read the leaks didnt say anything about it. Or just quitely ban him from the thread. I remember @Redlambs saying somebody had obviously read the leaks without saying who (and I didnt quite get it until after the finale) and seeing his posts brought up.
 
She's lasted longer than LF, so she's winning the game of thrones.

What do you think happens to her baby? Surely that's a big plot point that's going to be expanded upon...
Oh yeah, no doubt. I think with LF, he didnt count for a kid who could see the past and the present and that wildcard ended up screwing him over :lol:

WRT to the baby, I said it previously after ep6 in jest, but I kinda think it would be quite something to see where:

her baby is born, but is a dwarf, shes angry about it and ends up killing it. Jamie sees it, finds out or similar and kills Cersei. But with him leaving KL, I do wonder if he will return. (maybe when he finds out shes giving birth?)
But at the same time, that would require a time jump of 9 months, unless the baby is born prematurely, but even then, it would require maybe a 4 or 5 month time jump.
 
I get what youre saying. I dont think shes an idiot in the term of low intelligence, but more so in terms of being a short term thinker.
I agree, shes not as smart as a LF type, but what shes done so far, has got her to whats shes always wanted. But I think its also what will lead to her down fall. She will die alone hated instead of seen as a worthy queen.
Agree with this.

I think we can all agree that Cersei thinks she's way smarter than she actually is, and that her intelligence and ability to anticipate actions and plan accordingly are some way down on the list of reasons why she's currently on the Iron Throne. The power she was born into by being Tywin Lannister's daughter and subsequently Robert Baratheon's widowed wife is reason number one. Her ruthlessness and lack of conscience is number two. Without the first she wouldn't be close to the Iron Throne to begin with and without the second she would have lost it a long time ago.
 
Thats just feckin nuts.
I now remember him crying about a post he had written which was deleted and he was being all pissy about it (I cant remember if the content had spoilers or not). Most of that, as you said is spoilers, but only after hindsight. Its a shame somebody who had read the leaks didnt say anything about it. Or just quitely ban him from the thread. I remember @Redlambs saying somebody had obviously read the leaks without saying who (and I didnt quite get it until after the finale) and seeing his posts brought up.

I didn't just mean him. It's obvious who's been at it, but I'm not the one who got him or who will get the others in bother.

I merely had the end ruined for me, looked back in the thread, and saw which people seemed to have it sussed based on the leaks. Some stuff was easy to guess, like Sansa teaming up with Arya in the end, but timelines and all that, well that was something else :lol:


Oh yeah, no doubt. I think with LF, he didnt count for a kid who could see the past and the present and that wildcard ended up screwing him over :lol:

WRT to the baby, I said it previously after ep6 in jest, but I kinda think it would be quite something to see where:

her baby is born, but is a dwarf, shes angry about it and ends up killing it. Jamie sees it, finds out or similar and kills Cersei. But with him leaving KL, I do wonder if he will return. (maybe when he finds out shes giving birth?)
But at the same time, that would require a time jump of 9 months, unless the baby is born prematurely, but even then, it would require maybe a 4 or 5 month time jump.

That's actually quite interesting and would make good tv if this was spread longer, but I doubt it considering we have such few episodes left. I do like the thinking there though!
 
I still think the entire show will come down to the
symbols in the cave


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The swirls are horses (or nature). The phi symbol is made of people (who evolved in Essos, originally).

Religion is obviously real in GoT, so I reckon it could come down to two different systems of belief. Ice refers to the Old Gods and Fire refers to the Lord of Light (I don't think we've seen any magic from the New Gods).

Maybe the White Walkers have overridden their programming like in every killer robot film, ever. They were originally supposed to only track the traces of the Lord of Light found in the first men. But eventually decided that all magic needed to die out... hence their war widening to both the Children of the Forest and human beings.

Obviously, my theory isn't properly fleshed out. But the more I think about it, the more I think 'Ice' and 'Fire' (as referenced in the title of the series) are tangents from the magic we've seen, rather than a reference to any characters.
 
She's lasted longer than LF, so she's winning the game of thrones.

What do you think happens to her baby? Surely that's a big plot point that's going to be expanded upon...
Littlefinger's starting position was far worse than Cersei's and he still came close to being Lord of the Vale and Warden of the North. He got unlucky when an assassin with superpowers and the living embodiment of the Encyclopaedia Westerosica came to Winterfell. Even he couldn't anticipate that. Cersei would have probably died too if she'd been in his place. The only difference is she might have blown the whole place up before dying herself.
 
Holy feck these videos keep getting better and better! This one about favourite ex-bastard is an absolute beauty -


This show has been analysed to death but have any lip-readers ever confirmed what Ned was muttering before the sword came down? Suppose it was just a prayer?
 
Agree with this.

I think we can all agree that Cersei thinks she's way smarter than she actually is, and that her intelligence and ability to anticipate actions and plan accordingly are some way down on the list of reasons why she's currently on the Iron Throne. The power she was born into by being Tywin Lannister's daughter and subsequently Robert Baratheon's widowed wife is reason number one. Her ruthlessness and lack of conscience is number two. Without the first she wouldn't be close to the Iron Throne to begin with and without the second she would have lost it a long time ago.

Easily. A lot has been made of the writing, but ive really enjoyed watching Cersei. From one point almost taking Tommen (and her own) life after the Battle of Blackwater (Tywin coming in at the last second to save the day, pfffft), to being sympathetic when she had to do the walk of shame (even though it was after trying to stitch up Margaery, to actually blowing everybody up).

I didn't just mean him. It's obvious who's been at it, but I'm not the one who got him or who will get the others in bother.

I merely had the end ruined for me, looked back in the thread, and saw which people seemed to have it sussed based on the leaks. Some stuff was easy to guess, like Sansa teaming up with Arya in the end, but timelines and all that, well that was something else :lol:




That's actually quite interesting and would make good tv if this was spread longer, but I doubt it considering we have such few episodes left. I do like the thinking there though!

Oh of course, snitches get stitches and end up in ditches after all.

I think it would be good but ultimately agree with you, having a birth wouldnt (shouldnt) be possible given the time frame.
Also part of me thinks (at the risk of guessing a time line for season 8 :nervous:)
that we see the NK go down and defeated in ep3. Ep4 or 5 sees the throne settled but a lot of Westeros destroyed and needing rebuilding.
And in 6 we might see half way through the episode a jump in time of months if not years to show something of what it looks like, and then some old person is telling children before they sleep a story of a Game Of thrones ... lol
 
So now that season seven is over, I googled the leaked scripts, I repeat I'VE JUST GOOGLED THEM NOW! :p Everything was bang on the money 10 months ago. How does something like that happen?
 
Easily. A lot has been made of the writing, but ive really enjoyed watching Cersei. From one point almost taking Tommen (and her own) life after the Battle of Blackwater (Tywin coming in at the last second to save the day, pfffft), to being sympathetic when she had to do the walk of shame (even though it was after trying to stitch up Margaery, to actually blowing everybody up).



Oh of course, snitches get stitches and end up in ditches after all.

I think it would be good but ultimately agree with you, having a birth wouldnt (shouldnt) be possible given the time frame.
Also part of me thinks (at the risk of guessing a time line for season 8 :nervous:)
that we see the NK go down and defeated in ep3. Ep4 or 5 sees the throne settled but a lot of Westeros destroyed and needing rebuilding.
And in 6 we might see half way through the episode a jump in time of months if not years to show something of what it looks like, and then some old person is telling children before they sleep a story of a Game Of thrones ... lol
Wonder if people were scrambling off TVtropes to shout "Deus Ex Machina" back then?
 
Whether @robinamicrowave read the leaks or not is irrelevant to me, he was fairly knowledgable and good to chat to about the show.

Continuously calling him a cnut over a number of pages is just immature. He's been threadbanned for from GOT related stuff for a while so it's been dealt with. Move on ffs
 
This season was very good if you compare it to the vast majority of TV series. But as far as GoT quality goes, this was a pretty weak season overall. Maybe even the weakest so far.

I've boiled it down to these 3 reasons:

1. The pacing
I know that it's been discussed to death already, but it really is the worst part about this season. There's a long list of issues that easily could have been fixed if the season had only been 3 episodes longer. Here's a short list of things that could have been changed for the better with an additional 3 hours or so:

- Yara's Iron Fleet wouldn't need to be completely crushed in a matter of minutes right the feck out of nowhere.
- Olenna Tyrell could have been given more screen-time. Not only because she is a great character, but also give her death more impact.
- Ravens and armies wouldn't need to move at an impossibly high pace(some nerds did the math, and it's beyond ridiculous).
- Bronn's rescue of Jamie Lannister could have been done smarter(boy, that was stupid).
- Thoros of Myr, a legend in the GoT universe, could have been fleshed out so much more(no pun intended) before being killed off.
- The same is true of Gendry(though he's not a legend and he's still alive).
- Littlefinger vs the Starks could have been done so much better(I'll get back to this further down).
- Episode 6, which was supposed to be the most epic episode of the season, could have been done smarter(waiting for the ice to freeze, really?!). Not to mention Daenarys last second rescue..
- The Tyrion character wouldn't suffer this much. The lack of time and depth makes him look uncharacteristically stupid and out of control.


2. Lack of grit

There is a common GoT myth that main characters often get killed off. This is of course nonsense. Among the 15 most important characters that we follow closely and are supposed to sympathize with, only 3 have actually died(Ned, Cat and Robb) so far. The last time this happened was in season 3. There is of course nothing wrong with that, but if there ever was a season to have at least one main character die, if would have been this season. With all the madness going on, it's almost a miracle that characters like The Hound, Davos, Jorah, Sam and Theon all are seemingly safe. Even side-characters like Tormund and Bronn have plot armor now! I love both characters, but come on... A part of GoT's greatness lies in its grit. Unfortunately, a lot of it seems to be gone. Wisecrack made a good video about this:




3. Littlefinger vs the Starks
I already mentioned it above, but this was done so poorly that it deserves its own point. I'm fine with Littlefinger losing, but not like this. Was he given even a single small "win" while residing in Winterfell? Littlefinger is one of the greatest villians in the GoT universe, right up there with Tywin. He's possibly the best schemer of them all, yet his stay in Winterfell is only failure followed by failure. The writers should have let him at least have a couple of punches before being knocked out. Overall, they completely assassinated this great character.

The worst part is that while the pacing is partly to blame, bad writing is the main culprit here. Rip Littlefinger. Chaos is indeed a ladder.

The shows butchered a few characters. Stannis and Littlefinger chief among them. I imagine it's because they decided to just veer towards the kingdom's vs the dead battle. Dillane did an excellent job in the role however considering he hated the show and Dumb and dumber hated him.
 
The shows butchered a few characters. Stannis and Littlefinger chief among them. I imagine it's because they decided to just veer towards the kingdom's vs the dead battle. Dillane did an excellent job in the role however considering he hated the show and Dumb and dumber hated him.

Tbf littlefinger didn't expect a 3 eyed raven and a faceless girl as opponent.

Anyone wouldn't stand a chance against them cheating god mode bastards
 
Rewatching Season 1... so the Dothraki have a legend of "pale ghost grass that will destroy the world"... didn't even register the first time round. Is there anywhere where there's a list of these seem-throwaway-at-the-time-but-actually-crucial things? Like @Dante 's post above, that's another one that went totally over my head this season.
 
People calling two guys who made/run one of the most popular and critically acclaimed shows ever a pair of idiots.

Clever.
To be fair, there has been a clear drop in quality since they took over from GRRM's source material. The show isn't half as nuanced as it used to be.